Re: [OSM-talk] [RFC] shop = chemist

2008-01-10 Thread Dermot McNally
On 10/01/2008, Ulf Lamping [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I still need a good term for those shops that you seem to have in england as well, superdrug and Boots may be good examples (at least the shops not dispensing :-). I think The body shop also falls under this category. I hesitate to use

Re: [OSM-talk] Welsh Map

2008-01-14 Thread Dermot McNally
On 14/01/2008, Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /me wonders what a Gaelic map would look like, using name:gd. If you included a fallback to name:ga, you'd end up with quite a few locations in Ireland. Dermot ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-22 Thread Dermot McNally
On 22/01/2008, Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maxspeed=110 -- assumed km/h maxspeed=70mph -- unit stated maxwidth=2.14 -- assumed metres maxwidht=7ft -- unit stated I'm uneasy about this - up till now, these fields were assumed to contain pure numbers, with the ease of

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-23 Thread Dermot McNally
On 23/01/2008, David Earl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had in mind (and it'll probably stay in mind!) a renderer which showed you a ground level view of the street you were moving along with upcoming turnings and so on, like a satnav display, which showed signposts - no right turn, this way to

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals

2008-01-24 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24/01/2008, Abigail Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need for the UK to keep imperial measurements in the DB. Our challenge is to manage to do this while also keeping the data interpretable. If an in-truck navigation system knows that this particular truck needs a clearance of 5m then

Re: [OSM-talk] Units convention (Was: Mapping canals)

2008-01-24 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24/01/2008, Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: m would be the default - and I assume it's a decimal POINT here (since many countries do use decimal commas). Since some distances might be above 1 000 metres, I do recommend a space as thousands separator: A few days ago I was

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping Canals

2008-02-04 Thread Dermot McNally
On 04/02/2008, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: canal measurements are given in feet and inches, as \d+ft( \d+in)?. That is, a number, followed by ft as an abbreviation, a space, and then optionally a number and in. I can't tell if this is your words or something you've quoted,

Re: [OSM-talk] Lighthouses? Should they be rendering?

2008-02-09 Thread Dermot McNally
On 09/02/2008, Lauri Hahne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the problem is that copyright is opt-out, not opt-in. So not having no mention of copyright gives you no right what so ever. Though if it's just a list of facts, it's only covered by database rights which don't apply unless there has

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Book of Funny Names

2008-02-13 Thread Dermot McNally
On 12/02/2008, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All There are a couple of books of rude street sign collections: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dmacker42/943996646/in/set-72157601085868233/ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.0672lon=12.863zoom=13layers=0BFT

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-18 Thread Dermot McNally
On 18/02/2008, Jeremy Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My fix for the situation you linked to was to set motorway_links to layer=-1. This puts them underneath the main roads and makes the map look much nicer IMO. By co-incidence, I was in contact with another mapper who's been doing something

Re: [OSM-talk] displayed width of roads

2008-02-18 Thread Dermot McNally
On 18/02/2008, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the slip roads are not really underneath the other roads then yes it is definitely wrong (IMHO). The layer tag is meant to describe the physical ordering of the roads on the ground. If something isn't rendering right the solution is to

Re: [OSM-talk] 2 divided carriage-ways meeting at traffic lights.

2008-03-18 Thread Dermot McNally
On 18/03/2008, Andy Robinson (blackadder) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks good to me. The routing will take into account that you can't travel the wrong way down a one way street. True, but that's only half the battle. It won't take you down the wrong street. However, it may instruct you to

[OSM-talk] Oh look, a scale bar. But...

2008-04-16 Thread Dermot McNally
Hi, I became aware of the new scale bar on the slippy map through another thread over on dev. It's certainly nice to have one, and it was an obvious absence that google maps (and others) had but OSM didn't. However, we have copied an aspect of Google Maps that always annoyed me. Paper maps

[OSM-talk] Lakes and relations, what did I break?

2008-04-16 Thread Dermot McNally
To anyone who can show me what I broke: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=mapnikmt1=tahx=971y=657z=11 I worked on this pair of lakes in NW Ireland a few days ago. The Osmarender output is broken, but I decided to wait for Mapnik to re-render before panicking. Let the panic begin...

Re: [OSM-talk] Lakes and relations, what did I break?

2008-04-17 Thread Dermot McNally
On 17/04/2008, Robert Vollmert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's because the holes aren't oriented counter-clockwise? It's possible that osmarender still relies on orientation for rendering multipolygons. That was my first thought too. I have checked, but perhaps I've missed one. Dermot

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

2008-04-19 Thread Dermot McNally
On 18/04/2008, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a purely functional perspective this approach seems to work. The screenshot below shows what happens if you ask for the motorways in Ireland to be rendered in purple: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/direct/country-mways-example.png

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

2008-04-19 Thread Dermot McNally
On 19/04/2008, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - not trying to do anything to account for ways which crossed over a border. PostGIS can generate clipped geometries while doing the processing but I did not try this [1]. That's not the cause anyway - the motorway ends, with a break in

Re: [OSM-talk] Lakes and relations, what did I break?

2008-04-19 Thread Dermot McNally
An update to this: To exclude some possibilities, I've removed the relation. Now the lake outlines are simple clockwise water, the islands, for the time being, are simply untagged and out of the picture. No improvement - the problem is clearly not caused by relations. Does anybody have tips for

Re: [OSM-talk] Lakes and relations, what did I break?

2008-04-20 Thread Dermot McNally
On 21/04/2008, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems the problem is close-areas related after all. Ha! ;) Close-areas uses a tile index to find out what to do when it encounters a tile with *no* coastline at all (and your tiles do not have coastline on them). The tile index may

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs

2008-04-21 Thread Dermot McNally
On 21/04/2008, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My question to the Mac users out there: Will those Macs be suitable for demonstrating all important aspects of OSM, i.e. Yes, IMHO, but see below: * Slippy Map (heard rumours that it runs sub-optimal on Safari, always loading tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs

2008-04-22 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/4/22 Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Zooming without a wheel mouse is a bit awkward because the zoom slider is too short - a small movement makes a big difference. It would be nice to increase it's length - possible even put it vertically along the whole height of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on factory Macs

2008-04-22 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/4/22 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I am quite confused now about dragging the map. Many have said that using the mouse with JOSM on the Macs does not work very well. But then I am told you can use Ctrl rightclick simulation to do the dragging, and others again say that some

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendations

2008-04-24 Thread Dermot McNally
On 24/04/2008, Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought a Garmin HCx Vista. Does the high sensitivity mean that it's better than other receivers or that they are just now catching up to other receivers? I have exactly this device and I love it. Its sensitivity is very high, to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Mulltipolygons and Mapnik

2008-05-23 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/23 Jukka Rahkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Have you tried adding the lake tag (natural=water)also for the holes? I know it works with buildings but I do not know if it is necessary. It won't help here either - my second example already has the holes tagged. Good thought, though. Dermot

Re: [OSM-talk] Mulltipolygons and Mapnik

2008-05-23 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/23 Ludwig [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The holes, at least for my example, are land (so natural=land). It's not what's causing the problem, but to me that's just incorrect. Valid tagging to me could be: Untagged: It's just a hole in whatever its parent polygon is. Tagged water: It's a hole in

Re: [OSM-talk] Mulltipolygons and Mapnik

2008-05-23 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/23 Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've worked with islands before. It seems that the key points are: 1. make sure that the same tag is used on the inner and outer, in this case natural=water 2. Make sure that the outer is clockwise and inner(s) are anticlockwise I took the liberty of

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scotland and Wales are countries. Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or Hessen are. So while it's certainly an important thing to reflect on the map, the boundaries between the UK components (sub-countries?) shouldn't

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/29 Tom Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Let's not get carried away! Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are countries with national borders, so those should be shown the same as any other national border. Well, in a UK context, NI is actually a province, and isn't Wales a principality?

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/29 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/5/29 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Scotland and Wales are countries. Only in the same traditional folk-consciousness way that Bavaria or Hessen are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom thinks it's a bit

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/29 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The NI border hasn't been put into the OSM database. It has. I've been tweaking bits of it for months now. Look for ID 24428706. This is just an indication of the conflicted definition of country, nation, and national. The borders are in the OSM DB as

Re: [OSM-talk] National borders in the British Islands

2008-05-30 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/30 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also suggest a compromise for now. Good call. Steve for President. But of what country?... I'll get me coat. Dermot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Mulltipolygons and Mapnik

2008-05-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/5/31 Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've already changed the wiki to match this situation. This is the way it was, so we are just back to the same position before it was changed (in my view) erroneously. Hmm. Could you have missed a bit? Tags on inner ways describe the hole. If it's

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation?

2008-06-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/20 Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everyone, Want to book accommodation for the SOTM weekend. (New passport finally arrived after quite a delay!) Are you not in the UK? You don't need a passport to get from there to here. Dermot -- -- Iren

Re: [OSM-talk] two highways use the same way

2008-06-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/20 Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Personally I think it'd be good to tag the road as primary *and* secondary, i.e. that we should have 'highway=primary;secondary'. This makes it possible to see how many km of secondary roads there are in an area, or to highlight only road 172.

[OSM-talk] Breakage in London, API won't serve

2008-06-21 Thread Dermot McNally
Folks, There was a previous thread about the API responding with 500 due to certain broken data. I've encountered such an area, but I can't work out how to resolve the problem. It's in London, in the neighbourhood of Portland Place. In fact, my attempts using JOSM to localise the problem suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM weekend accommodation?

2008-06-24 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/24 Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think Ryan Air's policy requires you to have a passport. Only for online check-in (which, I admit, is fairly compelling). Otherwise a driving licence is sufficient. The Garda National Bureau of Immigration does force all arrivals through a thing they call

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM2008 Conference - The Almost Official Limerick limerick

2008-06-25 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/25 Mike Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 1) Limerick's you would show your mother and that she just might understand. 2) Dubious limericks that you certainly would not show your mother. This is category 1 (since my mother is from Dublin, so she won't take umbrage at the bogger reference):

Re: [OSM-talk] The State of the Flags (in the State of the Map)

2008-06-26 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/6/26 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm wondering how many of the non-irish, non-british speakers for SotM08 will bring a flag from their country. It would be very nice to have such a display. So, if any speaker hasn't got a national flag around, it's time to buy one ;-) So

Re: [OSM-talk] Paying registration fee for SOTM

2008-06-30 Thread Dermot McNally
I didn't get mine either, but I'm glad I'm not the only one. Dermot 2008/6/30 John McKerrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 29 Jun 2008, at 22:57, Gervase Markham wrote: Etienne wrote: There have been some reports of invoices not being received - probably due to spam filtering. I have filters,

[OSM-talk] SOTM delegates: Do a good deed while you're there

2008-07-06 Thread Dermot McNally
Hi folks, Since I know that a lot of the SOTM delegates are on this list, please excuse an exceptional intrustion of talk-ie into talk. I know that SOTM isn't a mapping party and I know that spare moments surrounding the conference are most productively spent over beers with other mappers talking

Re: [OSM-talk] UK post box data

2008-07-06 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/5 Mike Collinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Interesting. I note that in both the PDF document and the cover letter that the Royal Mail have made no attempt to assert any copyright or ownership but doubt whether that is enough. They do, though, right at the beginning: (c) Royal Mail Group

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM delegates: Do a good deed while you're there

2008-07-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/7 SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah so if The Frederik Bus Company makes some diversions we'll have 7 traces for every road they do. Hmm, he never told me he was taking a mini van. But FWIW, all going well he may be able to fill some gaps in County Kildare. And if we all do one road, then

Re: [OSM-talk] [SOTM] Train ticket: couldn't ask a small favour?

2008-07-10 Thread Dermot McNally
in some map gaps. Caveat passenger. Dermot 2008/7/10 Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED]: El Jueves, 10 de Julio de 2008, Dermot McNally escribió: On the matter of lifts - I will be driving down on Friday after work, And when exactly is that? When are you going back? Please add yourself

Re: [OSM-talk] suggestion for SOTM09

2008-07-15 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/15 Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, and somewhere with good walking / nice scenery (=mapping party?) would be good. Black Forest or Alps maybe? Or southern France or a mountainous area of Spain or Italy? Austria sounds like a possibility here - it could also do with some extra

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging peat bogs in ireland

2008-07-15 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/15 Tim Waters (chippy) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, as some of us have been out mapping the Irish countryside, we've come across peat bogs. Lowland peat bogs mainly, often being used for turf extraction (for fuel, or peat for garden centres etc). Anyone mapped these already? What tags do

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging peat bogs in ireland

2008-07-15 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/15 Tim Waters (chippy) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There is this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Surface_Mining But I don't think it covers the bog as a whole. Perhaps a big polygon natural=lowland_bog and within that, areas of landuse=surface_mining with

Re: [OSM-talk] Josm: bug in Simplify Way?

2008-07-16 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/7/16 Gabriel Ebner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Oops. This is pretty embarrassing, but it seems I forgot to convert degrees to radians before calculating the cross track error... As long as we're on the subject... I tend to find that I can't simplify ways at all, unless I first split them.

Re: [OSM-talk] Isle of Man coastline issue

2008-08-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/7 Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any ideas about what might be causing this tile to render as an all-land tile? I had tried in the past few days to render this as a mixed tile (through the informationfreeway.org interface but it didn't seem to have helped... and I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Isle of Man coastline issue

2008-08-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/7 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There was a bug in close-areas.pl which I have just commited a fix for, the Galway coastline looks ok now (not uplaoded new tiles but checked locally), maybe anyone else seeing a coastline problem and who has [EMAIL PROTECTED] installed could check

[OSM-talk] Calling all Londoners - the Thames...

2008-08-14 Thread Dermot McNally
Folks, The Thames these days is looking OK on both main renderers, but not on Computerteddy's Garmin maps, which he creates with mkgmap. On the Garmin maps it overflows its banks all over the place - the London Eye, for instance, is underwater. Looking at this myself, I'm not that surprised -

Re: [OSM-talk] Me and Ed Parsons are drowning!

2008-08-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/20 Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Thames River has flooded... http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.4084lon=-0.3652zoom=12layers=0B0FTF Has someone done something that will be fixed when it rerenders? Or could someone please have a look at it. I don't know much about how riverbanks

[OSM-talk] Mapnik handling of highways that are also landuse...

2008-08-27 Thread Dermot McNally
Folks - with reference to this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.72339lon=-6.34273zoom=17layers=B00FTF ...which is a section of the Mapnik render of the outcome of the very successful Drogheda Mapping Party in Ireland. Towards the centre of the map, you'll see what is represented as an oval

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik handling of highways that are also landuse...

2008-08-28 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/28 Steve Chilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There are two reasons why your tag combination ought to be able to render correctly as is statement is not valid. This is always a risk :) Firstly - as Thomas pointed out - mapnik likes one feature per way. Secondly - landuse=grass is not rendered

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik handling of highways that are also landuse...

2008-08-28 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/28 robin paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: this sounds a lot like you're using the same way to form the centre of the road, and the boundary of the grass. wouldn't it be easier to use a separate way to represent each? That is what I'm doing. I don't do this in all cases, but some do lend

[OSM-talk] Correct tagging of church grounds

2008-08-29 Thread Dermot McNally
Hi, This post arises out of the Drogheda mapping party held last weekend. For the party, our base was a parish hall in the grounds of a church, kindly placed at our disposal by the Rector. As thanks, we made sure to collect detailed mapping information for church and grounds. I can't work out

Re: [OSM-talk] Correct tagging of church grounds

2008-08-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/29 Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My only thought would be tag as much as you can (carpark, graveyard, buildings, paths, are all quite big) which will give an idea of what's the space been used as. Agreed. I've already done this, and meant to include a link:

Re: [OSM-talk] Correct tagging of church grounds

2008-08-29 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/8/29 robin paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: or why not 'amenity=place_of_worship' defined on the entire area, with smaller areas of building, car park, etc? that's what it's for, after all That's not actually clear, though with consensus, it could become accepted as the best approach. It's

Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: render explicitly used oneway=no

2008-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/9/1 Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED]: oneway=no is the default in most cases, so it is rarely needed tag. But once it is mentioned explicitly, it should be rendered somehow, as the mapper probably wants to emphasize this fact. I sometimes tag in this way. The only case I can think of

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenRouteService now supports UK and Ireland

2008-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/9/2 Kevin Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The routing is a bit off for the places that I tried (Shannon to Newmarket on Fergus, Ireland) I see what you mean - this is a bit like what happens if you plan a route out of Dublin towards Limerick - it takes a shorter route to the Naas Road rather than

[OSM-talk] Promoting OSM as part of industry standards

2009-06-11 Thread Dermot McNally
Hi folks, My day job is in the travel industry, and my company is a member of an industry body concerned with the development and promotion of open standards within the industry. An initiative is to be started concerning geographic information and mapping, and I'm keen to take the opportunity to

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/7/31 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: But, as I understand trunk, it's meant to be a physical upgrade from primary, which is a national-level highway. Well, you could argue that it would be valid to adopt this standard in a country where it was deemed useful. But that's not how it is here.

Re: [OSM-talk] definition of the main highway-tag

2009-07-31 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/7/31 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: This is exactly my point. The highway class already represents the importance of the road, not it's physical build standard, but the wiki defines the latter to be relevant. I was suggesting to update the definition according to

Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions

2009-08-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/8/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit (I don't do it for everything, usually just the larger ones, but that's me

Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions

2009-08-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/8/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: Oh, and one more thing: consider place=locality, a very useful tag. Clearly such nodes refer to areas, often large and substantial areas, yet to represent them as areas might often be very difficult as, depending on the nature of the feature,

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-08-31 Thread Dermot McNally
To add to this, this user is failing to reply to messages and continuing to edit (currently in Iceland). I can't speak for the usefulness of his edits there, but he certainly seems prolific. Right now I'm torn between my desire to fix the core of the Irish road network and my fear that he'll

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/1 Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk: I was going to say - seconded but I think that some of the changes just need cross referencing. I can't speak for his edits elsewhere (though some seem to have been at best incautious), but every _single_ change he made in Ireland (and there were many)

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Dermot McNallyderm...@gmail.com wrote: But what we are dealing with here is a proven vandal who won't engage with community members. Action required. Yes. By you.

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-01 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: But do you even have anyhing to prove that this is vandalism? Just because a new account makes lots of edits in different places doesn't mean anything... there might be a pre-existing group of people on some mailing list and one of them says hey,

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net: But some dual carriageway *has* been upgraded to motorway recently  - August 28th - 294km worth - (including some sections under construction) I know - I upgraded them. This mapper took all the bits that have not been upgraded, upgraded them anyway,

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: I think we are needing to agree the protocol on the wiki for responding the vandalism. Yes, this does seem to be a key part of our difficulty here. The problem is that any random mapper could be the next person who has to deal with vandalism,

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu: Yes, but who appointed him as the arbiter? Whoever is making the decision needs to be selected by and accountable to the community in some way, not self-appointed. FFS Tom, you can't have it both ways. I understand and respect that you don't want the final

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: The you in you have to be prepared to assess is not Tom, it's OSMF. OSMF is the nearest to a community-appointed arbiter that we have. In particular, it's OSMF's Data Working Group:    http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal

2009-09-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/9/2 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: I'm doing Iceland now because I know I can take your word for it. I have no idea whether or not the Irish have already begun fixing things but I can do Ireland as well if they want. But I really need people familiar with the region who tell me that

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/10/4 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: If it is a genuine concern about being abused for making mistakes the people abusing people should be dealt with there is no reason for it, I'm not sure if you followed the original incident. This was not a case of an inexperienced mapper making

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service

2008-09-08 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/9/8 Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Next mappers will omit units of measurement because they feel it it's implied for their country. I omit units because I feel they are implied for the _world_. Map features, unless it has been changed since, takes the view that, for instance, width and

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_link implies oneway=??

2008-10-02 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/2 Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Isn't a motorway by definition divided and therefore oneway ? Usually, but not always. Exceptions have existed either at the beginning of a motorway, where the last escape for non-motorway traffic occurs, say 100m before the directions separate. France used

Re: [OSM-talk] Motorways and Motorway_link

2008-10-04 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/3 Lester Caine [EMAIL PROTECTED]: My comment about the speed limit was that the 60 applies ( or even less if a local limit applies on the approaching roads! ) UP TO the start of motorway sign and some of these link roads that is simply not at the 'start' of the road. At some point, if

Re: [OSM-talk] Motorways and Motorway_link

2008-10-04 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/4 Philip Homburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: That strikes me as a bad idea. If you use that kind of tagging with a device that displays the current speed limit in effect than you get the very confusing situation that the actual situation differs from the map *by design*. On the contrary. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-05 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/5 Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 30mph. If we had stayed with assumed country-specific units then the tagging would have been more consistent, easier for the user to tag, and not require a conversion to a random number of decimal places. I'm not a fan of the options that include suffixes

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-06 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/6 Matthias Julius [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Stephen Hope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bad assumption. This may be the case in parts of Europe and the USA, but certainly not in most parts of the world. Maybe not in most parts of the worlds, but most trunk roads. ;-) I know that the German

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/7 Philip Homburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think local norms are fine. However that requires a lot of localization work. But a global norm is better than a local one. Localization is likely to happen anyway when people start displaying speed limits. Or do you want to tag even the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/7 Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is a roundabout where you can go either way around the big roundabout, and at each junction with a road there is a mini-roundabout. When these sort of roundabouts, often nicknamed Magic Roundabouts

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/7 Philip Homburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For trunk roads, it might be just a safe default to assume that the way is oneway, unless tagged explicitly as single-carriage (oneway=no). People can keep saying that, but it won't make it true :) For me, there are very few cases where oneway

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] - RFC - Motorway_linkimpliesoneway=??

2008-10-08 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/8 Philip Homburg [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't think this is about local interpretations. It is about having safe defaults. Agreed 100% Of course, adding oneway=no to all trunk ways that do not have a oneway tag can be done by a script. Clearly it could be - but it certainly

Re: [OSM-talk] ref in roundabouts

2008-10-09 Thread Dermot McNally
I'm also against tagging a ref on roundabouts unless it refers specifically _to_ the roundabout, rather than to one of the (by definition) several routes passing through. The very fact that we tag roundabouts with a junction tag emphasises their role as neutral territory owned by none (or all, you

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/10 Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: maxspeed:mph only conforms to map features because Shaun amended it earlier today! [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears nothing] Well, two wrongs and all that. Though its worse, IMHO, to do a poo in another man's

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/8 Simon Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]: en is a language code, not a country code. Not all English-speaking countries use imperial units on road signs. I think Australia uses metric, for example. So does the Republic of Ireland. In fact, I believe the only English-speakers that don't are in

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/10 Chris Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Conversions to 0dp is inaccurate, accurate conversions are a mess, namespacing allows for conflicting values so only an optional suffix really makes sense, so this why I use. Well, maxspeed:mph would also work for your purposes. The only difference is

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/8 Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd argue that it doesn't make sense, in that if you allow both maxspeed:mph and maxspeed as valid tags, a way may end up tagged with both showing contradictory speed information. This would require either 2 mappers not heeding each other's work or one

Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/18 Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Are there still proper restaurants in the UK without a license? Can you then bring your own alcoholic beverages and have them served? I read something about a corking fee related to this, but this may well have been from 20 years ago. This

Re: [OSM-talk] pub vs café

2008-10-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/18 paul youlten [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Dermot said: This situation used to be very common in Birmingham on the Balti Mile. There, Indian restaurants offering affordable (and tasty) food traditionally did not have licences. I always assumed that this was because most Balti Houses/Indian

[OSM-talk] Denomination tag and how to avoid fragmentation

2008-11-01 Thread Dermot McNally
Hi folks, Until fairly recently, Map Features listed a set of proposed denomination tag values for common world religions. That list included catholic. I see that it has now been updated to also include roman_catholic. The new roman_catholic option carries a mention of its common usage in

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoBase nodes import

2008-12-18 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/12/17 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: So for example, importing a park (in a mapped area) we would just show the outline dots of the park, and the user can connect the dots and show it the 'right' way osm-style. So we would discard the knowledge of the sequence in which the

Re: [OSM-talk] Some more shops and amenities for the map features page ...

2008-12-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/12/20 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Again, I've added some more shop and amenity values to the map features page (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Map_Features), derived from the tagwatch usage statistics (http://tagwatch.stoecker.eu/Europe/En/index.html). I think this

Re: [OSM-talk] Some more shops and amenities for the map features page ...

2008-12-20 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/12/20 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: You're remembering my discussions months ago about voting for tags to get a good consistent tagging scheme? You're also remembering some very prominent persons in this project mentioned that voting is nuts and we should see what is really

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on Garmin - raster tiles?

2009-01-07 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/1/6 Gervase Markham gerv-gm...@gerv.net: But it's still fairly ugly :-) As ugly as upside-down labels? To avoid those (if you will allow track up mode) you'd have to have a combination raster and vector mode, which would in turn require a label-free raster map. Dermot --

Re: [OSM-talk] Upload of relation from JOSM fails

2009-01-14 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/1/14 Erik Lundin erik.lun...@aol.se: When I try to upload any change to relation 36947 (route E 18) from JOSM, the answer gets upload to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/relation/36947...connected got return: 412 with id 36947 I got this same error trying to operate on members of

Re: [OSM-talk] Upload of relation from JOSM fails

2009-01-14 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/1/14 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Please do not create relations of that size, it helps nobody. +999. This relation wasn't my doing, it just showed up one day. Having said that, if we are going to have a route relation and if E-routes are routes... The way I usually fix this is by

Re: [OSM-talk] NGA Country Files Converter into OSM format

2009-02-20 Thread Dermot McNally
We did a GNS import of place names in Ireland at at time when very few place names were already mapped and the map was full of emptiness. It worked well for us, since the de-duplication task wasn't that bad and it created reference points for future mapping. It is certainly true that accuracy is

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping the sea

2009-03-09 Thread Dermot McNally
2009/3/9 Steve Hill st...@nexusuk.org: I've added a (very small) number of buoys to OSM over the past couple of years.  ISTR someone added a load of public domain data for Irish lighthouses too. The Irish import consisted of lighthouses and other navaids such as buoys. While the data was not

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