On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 08:25:54PM +0200, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Well we're largely dependent on UCL (and Bytemark to a lesser extent)
being able to allocate us IPv6 addresses for our machines.
Have you asked ? (this year, not in the Dark Ages)
I don’t know about UCL (I imagine as a
--- On Sat, 4/7/09, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote:
I don’t know about UCL (I imagine as a University they
probably already
have an easy route to IPv6), but Bytemark specifically
offer it[1]. I
guess that would cover the wiki and repository.
Someone already commented that UCL has
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet
(its
protocol) is changing.
We (the admins) are all well aware of this. I personally
2009/7/3 SteveC st...@asklater.com:
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet
(its
protocol) is changing.
We (the admins) are all
Please, when will OSM support IP over pigeon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
Best
Steve
You are not up2date:
IPoSN is in
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5514.txt
Therefore the solution must be:
OSM over IPv6 over Social Networks
But lets make the first
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SteveC wrote:
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet
(its
protocol) is
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
then you win.
If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster is draw
up a migration plan for OSM.
If that's the case, I'm not sure where the hold up is exactly because the work
the .nl guys have put in proves
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John Smith wrote:
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
then you win.
If you want to win, all you have to do according to a previous poster
is draw up a migration plan for OSM.
As mentioned in the serious post before.
On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:15 AM, John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be
honest.
It's possible, but it's pointless. First, there is no IPv4 to IPv6
transition plan. The two protocols don't coexist. Second, unless you
have an IPv4 address, you
On 3 Jul 2009 08:47:04 -0400, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote:
On Jul 3, 2009, at 8:15 AM, John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be
honest.
It's possible, but it's pointless. First, there is no IPv4 to IPv6
transition plan. The two
John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest.
It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important
just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do the work.
By comparison, when Relations were proposed, they happened because
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
John Smith wrote:
I'm still scratching my head as to why this isn't possible to be honest.
It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so important
just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
It's possible, but it appears the people who think it's so
important
just want to sit on their arses and have someone else do
the work.
To be fair, only those with root access to production systems and contacts with
On 03/07/2009, at 05:38, SteveC wrote:
On 2 Jul 2009, at 08:57, Tom Hughes wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use
the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet
(its
protocol) is changing.
We (the admins)
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Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote:
An
implementation of the protocol for both the wiki and OSM in general
would mean that OSM coverage will be virtually global, and no longer
depending on broadband connections.
I wonder what the RTT would be from
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
I wonder what the RTT would be from UK to USA. Maybe even
the amount of
packetloss; I mean if OpenShortestPigeonFlight is not
used... that could
be enormous.
Assuming there is no large amount of packet losses due to packet
wasn't OSM's preferred link-layer discussed elsewhere?
http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-ceo-appointed.html
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:
I wonder what the RTT would be from UK
Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb Marcus Wolschon:
Guys... what could it hurt to set up an ipv6.openstreetmap.org
with only an -record or with and A -records pointing at
the 6to4 -address associated with the current IPv4-addresse(s)
to let users and admins experiment without causing
Hi,
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
This is a bad idea. Do it right or do it not.
... has never been OSM's attitude so far, so why change now. Honestly, I
get the feeling you're on a personal crusade here for doing things
right which is of no relevance to most of us. You might as well tell us
that we
Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
Claudius wrote:
There are not enough IPv4 adresses for Africa and Latin America already
which is why they are assigning IPv6 only already. Now with the new east
african internet cable this might lead to even more IPv6 users in
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
This is a bad idea. Do it right or do it not.
... has never been OSM's attitude so far, so why change
now. Honestly, I
Judging by my experience, there will be most likely be between 0.01% and 1%
IPv6 traffic v IPv4 traffic,
Frederik Ramm schrieb am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009:
Hi,
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
This is a bad idea. Do it right or do it not.
... has never been OSM's attitude so far, so why change now. Honestly, I
get the feeling you're on a personal crusade here for doing things
right which is of no
Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb John Smith:
get the feeling you're on a personal crusade here for
It sucks when people turn
things into a religious issue and go off on their high horses how
everything should be done perfectly.
Your horse isn't high?
Thomas
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Thomas Schäfer tschae...@t-online.de wrote:
Your horse isn't high?
I prefer soap boxes personally, they don't tend to shy ;)
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:17 AM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Thu, 2/7/09, Thomas Schäfer tschae...@t-online.de wrote:
Your horse isn't high?
I prefer soap boxes personally, they don't tend to shy ;)
or kick...
:(
k.
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Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb Tom Hughes:
We (the admins) are all well aware of this. I personally have had IPv6
on my home network for some years now.
That is nice.
There are reasons why this is not as simple as it sounds. I know that
sounds a bit cryptic but please believe me when I
Thomas Schäfer schrieb:
It is probably a moot point anyway because, as someone else pointed out,
either UCL does it or they don't and we would be the last ones to raise
a fuss with them over anything.
You don't want realize. I have to accept that.
Sorry.
OSM is largely a meritocracy
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Dirk-Lüder Kreie wrote:
Thomas Schäfer schrieb:
It is probably a moot point anyway because, as someone else pointed out,
either UCL does it or they don't and we would be the last ones to raise
a fuss with them over anything.
You don't want
Hello,
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its
protocol) is changing.
Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6 , make a plan and
make the network working, add the to dns
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 16:43 +0200, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Hello,
sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the
application osm via internet. But the fundament of the internet (its
protocol) is changing.
Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6 , make a
plan and
make the network working, add the to dns an be happy. Solve the little
problems .
Asked and answered.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-October/018603.html
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Jonathan Bennett schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009:
Asked and answered.
No, the answer was not satisfying.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-October/018603.html
Now we have 2009!
Regards,
Thomas Schäfer
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Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
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--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote:
What part of it's not under our control didn't you
understand?
Have you asked your provider lately about IPv6 address space? Most providers
seem to be setting up IPv6 silently and/or more proactive lately when it comes
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Stefan
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hi,
On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 04:20:55PM +, John Smith wrote:
Have you asked your provider lately about IPv6 address space? Most providers
seem to be setting up IPv6 silently and/or more proactive lately when it
comes to IPv6.
this is true, completly silent most of them :).
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb OJ W:
Improving the net in other directions, can the OSM servers be made
contactable via the I2P network?
This is a totaly different problem.
Regards,
Thomas
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Jonathan Bennett schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
Do you mean this part of the answer from 2007:
Well we're largely dependent on UCL (and Bytemark to a lesser extent)
Stefan de Konink schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009:
- gpg control packet
Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
No, the answer was not satisfying.
What part of it's not under our control didn't you understand?
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
I have fun. I use tunnels
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Sander Hoentjen:
Heh well if you insist on viewing osm over ipv6 you can always visit the
netherlands:
tile.openstreetmap.nl is an alias for productie.openstreetmap.nl.
productie.openstreetmap.nl has address 93.186.179.161
productie.openstreetmap.nl has IPv6
On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the
UK is not
able to serve the world.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic is
essentially completely unrelated to OpenStreetMap. When the time
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Russ Nelson:
On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the
UK is not
able to serve the world.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic is
essentially completely
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Great idea! How long do you think it will take you?
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Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Lets solving the Chicken-and-egg problem in ipv6 by simply doing it.
OK -- when are you available to set it up?
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Hi,
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because
osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no
further discussion about it.
Let's be pragmatic here like we usually are. If we were to switch to
IPv6 today
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Jonathan Bennett wrote:
Stefan de Konink wrote:
Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :)
Great idea! How long do you think it will take you?
For me probably about an hour if Jeroen is online ;)
Stefan
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because
osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no
further discussion about it.
Let's be pragmatic
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm,
because osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done,
then is no further discussion about it.
Let's be pragmatic here like we
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Jonathan Bennett:
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Lets solving the Chicken-and-egg problem in ipv6 by simply doing it.
OK -- when are you available to set it up?
To enable radvd at the router?
To add some /PTR-Records at the DNS?
To check the firewall and to
Am 01.07.2009 22:12, Frederik Ramm:
Hi,
Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because
osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no
further discussion about it.
Let's be pragmatic here like we usually are. If
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote:
On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote:
Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the
UK is not
able to serve the world.
I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic
Guys... what could it hurt to set up an ipv6.openstreetmap.org
with only an -record or with and A -records pointing at
the 6to4 -address associated with the current IPv4-addresse(s)
to let users and admins experiment without causing any issues
with the openstreetmap.org -name?
It is
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