On 7 April 2011 15:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why
isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done
with Bing?
This really
On 7 April 2011 06:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested why
isnt OSMF seeking to make a rapid agreement with NearMap as was done
with Bing?
This really
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 08:19:39 +0100
Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
On 7 April 2011 06:58, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 April 2011 12:57, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
If the Australian issue is so important, as others have suggested
why isnt
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:48:55 +1000
Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:
More importantly is it a official OSMF or semi-official LWG email,
or just some pro-ODbL people spamming everyone?
Pretty sure it's the last one. I received it a few weeks back, even
through i'd put a note on
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:53:02 +1000
Leon Kernan lker...@gmail.com wrote:
Supposedly it sends you to this flippant page if you decline the CT:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributor_Terms_Declined
I think the lolcat picture on that page tells us exactly what they
think of
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT)
All Blokes speed_13...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many
but I was planning on getting right into it.
I don't agree with the new licensing and have just been sitting on
the side reading.
On 7 April 2011 21:07, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I don't see a lolcat on that page, was it on another page?
Certainly the lolcat on the front page of the osm wiki makes me wonder
about the IQ of the page writers
Looks like Grant has removed it from the current version of the
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but found the
wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources by
licensehttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Creative_Commons_Licenses.
If you have a spare moment or two and know of any I've missed, please
On 7 April 2011 13:12, Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au wrote:
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but found the
wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources by license. If
you have a spare moment or two and know of any I've missed, please pop by
On 7 April 2011 12:07, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
I don't see a lolcat on that page, was it on another page?
Certainly the lolcat on the front page of the osm wiki makes me wonder
about the IQ of the page writers
I removed the lolcat from the decline page + translations... It
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au wrote:
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but found the
wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources by license. If
you have a spare moment or two and know of any I've missed, please
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 22:12 +1000, Ashley Kyd wrote:
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but
found the wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources
by license. If you have a spare moment or two and know of any I've
missed, please pop by and
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 10:51 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 22:12 +1000, Ashley Kyd wrote:
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but
found the wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources
by license. If you
On 7/04/2011 9:10 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Wed, 6 Apr 2011 04:47:39 -0700 (PDT)
All Blokesspeed_13...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I was very keen and learning ...had done a few edits not many
but I was planning on getting right into it.
I don't agree with the new licensing and have just
On 7 April 2011 13:51, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote:
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 22:12 +1000, Ashley Kyd wrote:
Hi all,
Just trying to do a bit of research to catch up on the issues but
found the wiki a bit unhelpful. I've started categorising data sources
by license. If you have a
On 7 April 2011 23:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
I contacted the nowwhere.com.au/MapData-Sciences who are managers of
the BP and Shell data in October 2010...
Their reply: It is the property of BP and is intended as a service
for personal use only. (and Shell for the
On 08/04/11 05:47, John Henderson wrote:
On 07/04/11 21:10, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
It's sad that this is happening
A vibrant aussie community has gone down the drain within the last 12
months.
I have spent 3 1/2 years (nearly) adding big tracts of eastern
australia to the osm map, and now
On 08/04/11 06:25, {withheld} wrote:
Whilst I agree / commiserate with your basic point (been there; done
that; spent the fuel), don't you still have the raw traces from your
device? I certainly do, and consider at no point have I ever given up my
rights to them.
I couldn't see any point in
On 08/04/11 06:37, John Henderson wrote:
On 08/04/11 06:25, {withheld} wrote:
Whilst I agree / commiserate with your basic point (been there; done
that; spent the fuel), don't you still have the raw traces from your
device? I certainly do, and consider at no point have I ever given up my
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 23:27 +1000, John Smith wrote:
On 7 April 2011 23:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
I contacted the nowwhere.com.au/MapData-Sciences who are managers of
the BP and Shell data in October 2010...
...
Also the locations have been fixed for numerous
On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 07:30:29 +1000
{withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote:
Whilst I agree / commiserate with your basic point (been there;
done that; spent the fuel), don't you still have the raw traces
from your device? I certainly do, and consider at no point have I
ever given up my
On Thu, 7 Apr 2011 23:27:57 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Also the locations have been fixed for numerous locations so if you
ever get in contact with anyone please let them know about OSM having
more accurate data than they offer, I think 30km out is still the
worst case.
On 7 April 2011 23:03, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote:
Their reply: It is the property of BP and is intended as a service
for personal use only. (and Shell for the Shell data I assume)
On 7 April 2011 23:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
Except the data was a
On 08/04/11 07:30, {withheld} wrote:
VNT-2: You didn't upload the traces to OSM, and thus have the capability
to legitimately download them again; do you? Worth checking:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/your-OSM-id/traces.
Unfortunately no. The few traces I've uploaded have been the pure
On 8 April 2011 05:47, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote:
It wouldn't be nearly so bad if we could simply agree to the new terms for
objects outside Nearmap coverage (and for future contributions), but have
our contaminated work removed.
Well our first priority should be to try and get an
To be clear; we're not refusing anything - our licence has remained the
same since we launched, and we haven't changed it. The new OSM CTs are
incompatible with it.
Regards
Ben
On 7 April 2011 08:14, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 7 April 2011 10:06, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir
On 8 April 2011 09:28, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
If the data owner doesn't grant permission under an acceptable licence
then we shouldn't relying on one interpretation of very recent
Australian case. Especially since there are other areas of law that
may come into play here.
On 8 April 2011 07:30, {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote:
Very naughty thought. I wonder what the reaction would be to a simple,
formal request to OSMF to re-grant you your rights to OSM data along the
same alignments on the basis OSM is backing up an effective copy of your
lost data?
On 08/04/11 10:46, John Smith wrote:
On 8 April 2011 07:30, {withheld} pheasant.cou...@gmail.com wrote:
Very naughty thought. I wonder what the reaction would be to a simple,
formal request to OSMF to re-grant you your rights to OSM data along the
same alignments on the basis OSM is backing up
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:40:15 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 April 2011 09:28, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
If the data owner doesn't grant permission under an acceptable
licence then we shouldn't relying on one interpretation of very
recent Australian
On 8 April 2011 12:27, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
The Court system has affirmed the original decision.
Copyright (Au) depends on thinking about the input, and cannot be
derived from machine generated data.
The priority is to keep OSM unencumbered, and accordingly in all cases
I'm
On 8 April 2011 13:41, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
With respect, if we are going to do down the path of using data
We are going down that path with the new CTs and to a lesser extent
ODBL, people haven't been informed well enough about the implications
of accepting the new CTs and
On 8 April 2011 13:46, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
In this case it's pretty straight forward and matches the legal
rulings almost identically, computer generated lists aren't covered by
copyright any more, you have to put thought into building such a list
for it to be covered.
On 08/04/11 13:46, John Smith wrote:
On 8 April 2011 13:41, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
against the owner's wishes using the law as a shield, I'd want to see
a pretty solid legal opinion covering all aspects of the data use, not
just copyright, as each case will depend on its own
On 8 April 2011 14:23, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
If you are talking about Sensis, than that is still a Federal Court
judgement, which I believe Sensis are seeking leave to appeal to the
High Court, and the results will be very interesting to see. I hope
the High Court takes the
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