Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: (Although I think people arguing against overloading tags have a bigger campaign on their hands than just mini-roundabouts.) The highway reference tag has two things in the one tag - the highway type and the highway number. Then the double naming of

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-17 Thread Sam Couter
Sean 4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com wrote: program or device will still display the way as a roundabout that the user will still understand what it is even if the roundabout tag is removed. The user may understand, but the device won't if there are no tags. However I see below that I've been

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: It says that normal pedestrian islands aren't meant to be drawn as two separate ways (flares). I the pedestrian islands are *splitter islands* just being pedantic the flare is used to describe the flared direction of the incoming traffic

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-17 Thread Liz
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: The primary questions here is: Should a suburban roundabout be mapped as a node or as a loop? My position is a node for three reasons.. or something like a josm plugin which would turn a node into a little way with 4 nodes, on demand? + When you

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-15 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:22:05 -0800 (PST) bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: So after realising this I can't actually stand in support of junction=roundabout on a point (or some other similar proposal) as a permanent fixture, but would fully support it as a 'temporary' tag to indicate at some

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-15 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 12:08:54 +1100 Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote: + When you cross this kind of roundabout when cycling, or with a learner driver, you don't have to worry about the characteristics of the road you are crossing (since you never turn into the traffic of the cross road,

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-15 Thread Matt White
bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: I thought the same when I first started mapping, as I wanted to show centre pedestrian islands like in the Melways. But the wiki is very specific http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:junction%3Droundabout It says that normal pedestrian islands aren't

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-15 Thread Sam Couter
Sean 4ey0ll...@sneakemail.com wrote: I never said I was mapping for a particular program or device. Garmin was just an example. I'm mapping for all programs and devices. As all programs or devices can render a loop way it just makes more since to do it that way. I don't know of any

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-12 Thread Liz
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Ian Sergeant wrote: I plan on submitting a proposal for the roundabout tag, where you can add it to a node like a mini_roundabout, for use in simple suburban type roundabouts. Something like junction: inner_width=3mcould specify the island size, making it possible for

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-12 Thread Darrin Smith
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:10:32 +1100 Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote: As is everyone - but we can't forget that a linear road is always going to be a representation of a 2 dimension road surface, and currently that is what we have to work with in OSM. If you were drawing the full road

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-12 Thread Sean
I've read through all the post on this discussion so far and I totally agree with Darrin. I also think all roundabouts including ones paint on the road should be drawn as a loop way. I see the discussion has been about trying to define what a roundabout is. But no one has thought about the

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-12 Thread bluemm1975-osm
--- On Fri, 12/12/08, Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au wrote: From: Ian Sergeant iserg...@hih.com.au Subject: Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts? To: bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com Cc: Talk-au@openstreetmap.org Received: Friday, 12 December, 2008, 9:10 AM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-11 Thread Liz
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Darrin Smith wrote: The other core idea that you can't drive straight across the junction or pull a standard right turn any more is broken however if you use a mini. Darrin, where does this *core* idea come from? I had not seen it until you mentioned it.

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-11 Thread Darrin Smith
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:56:55 +1100 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.net.au wrote: There are emergency boom gates across the EastLink and CityLink tunnel entrances (well, back aout 300m), used to stop traffic entering the tunnels in an emergency, or when there is an accident in the tunnel. I believe

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-10 Thread Ian Sergeant
Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know of at least 5 roundabouts in Adelaide alone that DO qualify for the global OSM definition of a mini-roundabout so I don't see why we should be copping out and changing a definition here just out of sheer lazyness. Its not laziness. It is the best

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-10 Thread bluemm1975-osm
/accepted/added to renderers). Cheers, BlueMM --- On Thu, 11/12/08, Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts? To: Talk-au@openstreetmap.org Received: Thursday, 11 December, 2008, 3:10 PM On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:55

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-10 Thread Stephen Hope
to renderers). Cheers, BlueMM --- On Thu, 11/12/08, Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Darrin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts? To: Talk-au@openstreetmap.org Received: Thursday, 11 December, 2008, 3:10 PM On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:55:13 +1100

Re: [talk-au] What gives with roundabouts?

2008-12-09 Thread mattwh...@iinet.net.au
I noticed that I think - a whole lot of small courts suddenly inherited a turning circle at the end of them (whether that is what I should have done in the first place I don't know...) It wasn't me you're talking about, was it? Matt On Wed Dec 10 13:36 , Darrin Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent: