Re: [talk-au] suburb boundaries

2009-03-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
it, tag etc. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 11:46:44 +1100 Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, The upload has completed (much faster running from dev). There were a couple of problems:-] * Gruyere and 'Wandin North - Bar' in Victoria

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
So what is the problem you are having, if not with the location or the tag? Making a river look like a river... Put more nodes in the way that shows the river. Had a look at what you have done but given the lack of hi-res images from yahoo there is not much else that can be done. Welcome

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: The source tag is part of the OSM data not part of the GPS information, have a look at the source tag on Glen Innes Road. I thought information could be included in the GPX files that would be imported by something, JOSM or OSM

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
AFAIK it is only lat, long and elevation data.  How did you enter the name and surface tags for the ways.  The source tag is the same. GPX files can contain a lot of data and meta data, the schema for GPX 1.1 can be found here: http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 Well aware of that, I've

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
I've drawn, probably wrong, at least one round about already, but that isn't what I meant, I meant for uniform round abouts a few different round about sizes would make less work for people. I gather you mean the way at the intersection of Gwydir Highway and Byron Street. A few things

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: You could also probably half the number of nodes in the way as well, generally you only need 8 nodes to create a suitable roundabout

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:52:47 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Having said that I have since found a mini-roundabout in Mackay, next time I'm there I'll take a photo and post it to the mailing list.  It is just a low dome approximately 1m in diameter with appropriate signage.

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:41 +1000 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts there are separate tags for traffic calming devices and no, we don't have

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 09:42:07 +1000 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: There's a current position? I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't degenerate into a free for all - but no actual

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:42:48 +1000 Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: There's a current position? I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't degenerate into a free for all - but no actual

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts etc

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 23 May 2009 23:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: The way I see it everything is relative, I notice a discussion on the use of villiage/city/hamlet/town etc and applying it to Australia, you can't apply UK/US definitions to Australian places based on

Re: [talk-au] Causeways

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 04:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: What's the best way to tag causeways, I've only managed to find a couple of non-official references, and nothing on this page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features Perhaps highway=ford

Re: [talk-au] Causeways

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 05:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Perhaps highway=ford I did see that earlier but for some reason thought it was different, just looked at the full sized photo

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
Why are you using the source tag survey? There have been a number of arguments that it should not be used as a tag unless you are actually using survey equipment. It is suggested to use GPS instead, if that is what you are getting your readings from. (These where on the talk list, not the

Re: [talk-au] Causeways

2009-05-25 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 26 May 2009 07:31:01 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 26 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: My original question was in relation to concreate slab crossings which technically aren't fords because they dry far more often than wet, and they aren't raised at all so they're

Re: [talk-au] Cheap data logger

2009-05-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 27 May 2009 02:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm wondering if anyone knows of any cheap GPS data loggers that I can lend out to people, I'm thinking postal delivery workers here, that in and off itself it won't be worth stealing, something without a

Re: [talk-au] Petition to MP

2009-06-14 Thread Ross Scanlon
And the problem with importing things like roads from government databases is that they are the gazetted road position not the actual on ground road position. That's why google maps etc are so often incorrect. Thats why some of the ABS data does not line up with the actual plotted road.

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
? Perhaps I should move in while still wearing my Ls? Ps what's keepright? -Original Message- From: talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-au-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ross Scanlon Sent: Wednesday, 17 June 2009 10:11 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re

Re: [talk-au] Uploading traces (Was; Hi all ...)

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
Secondly, come the day when MegaMap Inc, decide to sue OSM, due to a part of the map looking suspiciously derived from MegaMap's products, the existance of GPS traces in OSM may assist greatly in defending against that threat. Also a good reason to use simplified gpx tracks from JOSM as then

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
Who said I was trivialising the problems, I only gave an example I can think of at least 50 possible errors when using gps.  I'm not going to list every possibility every time I make a comment. If you make specific claims then people will assume that's all you had in mind. What specific

Re: [talk-au] Uploading traces (Was; Hi all ...)

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Generally it was directed at the comment should upload , made without anything to back it up and also rhetorical.  Just because some think they should be uploaded does not mean everyone wants, or has, to. Should doesn't

Re: [talk-au] Data Error - Junctions ?

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
you will see that none of the junctions for side roads are correctly joined to Luttrell Street. This problem appears to be repeated across the area generally.br They should be joined with nodes at the junctions for all junctions, T or cross roads. It does not make much difference to the

Re: [talk-au] Uploading traces (Was; Hi all ...)

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
--- On Wed, 17/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: No kidding, I'm well aware of the difference betweend should and must. You keep implying must when I've said should. No i'm not implying must. I asked why SHOULD we be uploading them. You did not say anything about the greater

Re: [talk-au] Uploading traces (Was; Hi all ...)

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
If the data was challenged that I entered then osm can contact me for the original data.  In the meantime why are we filling up storage on osm with data that is not producing the final product ie the map. Why do I need to challenge you to prove what you did was correct, if the GPX

Re: [talk-au] How many points are too few to upload?

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
the other hand you can get 10,000+ point files being uploaded as well and I need to run gpsbabel over the file before uploading it. Does anyone know if this is a good filter to use against gpx files? gpsbabel -i gpx -f test -x simplify,crosstrack,error=0.0001k -o gpx -F test.gpx

Re: [talk-au] Uploading traces (Was; Hi all ...)

2009-06-17 Thread Ross Scanlon
* improving routing information, by working out average speed on roads (at different times). If your connected to the internet that's fine but it's no use for on the road re-routing, unless you have all the gps traces downloaded to your gps. This should be tagged by maxspeed anyway. Some one

[talk-au] Fw: Re: Hi all ...

2009-06-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:54:29 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: keepright for Australia is at: http://keepright.x10hosting.com It will show where there are errors in the current database. I also have it set up on a server here for my own use

Re: [talk-au] gmap observation

2009-06-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
I'm not exactly surprised about residential street errors in regional areas in google maps, I stopped keeping count of the mistakes a while back, however its kind of interesting how badly they have the newell highway plotted. Comes back to gazetted roads. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] gmap observation

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 02:00:12 -0700 (PDT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 19/6/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Comes back to gazetted roads. With all the money and effort spent on street view you'd think they'd want to get every benefit possible

[talk-au] Someone needs some help.

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi All, Just been using keepright to go over all the stuff I've uploaded and came across this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-34.9987lon=117.8835zoom=13layers=B000FTF Now someone has done a admirable job of adding the ways but has not read the wiki about naming. Most of the names are in

Re: [talk-au] Hi all ...

2009-06-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:06:56 -0700 (PDT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 20/6/09, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: No one replied to my thread on gpsbabel, it can apparently exclude areas, and at the same time anonymise the time stamps and probably a

Re: [talk-au] General mapping question :)

2009-06-25 Thread Ross Scanlon
I think what you've marked is about all you can do. Obviously the road does not go all the way through and the gates at each end are the restriction. Cheers Ross --- On Thu, 25/6/09, Jason Stirk jst...@oobleyboo.com wrote: Not sure if this applies, but in many rural areas you'll find that

Re: [talk-au] Junctions (to name or not to name)

2009-06-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:41:38 +1000 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hi Folks, Quick question about roundabouts. (junction=roundabout) Originally, I didn't name roundabout junctions, but when I validate my work in JOSM, it identifies them as 'Unnamed Ways' in the warnings

Re: [talk-au] Junctions (to name or not to name)

2009-06-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:41:38 +1000 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote: See Mile End Road at Rouse Hill NSW at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-33.68113lon=150.92323zoom=17layers=B000FTF for an example. I've had a look at the wiki information on junctions, however there doesn't

Re: [talk-au] Junctions (to name or not to name)

2009-06-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 20:03:48 -0700 (PDT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sat, 27/6/09, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I agree with Darrin, we have some named roundabouts in this district. If gosmore needs a name to route someone down a street, around a roundabout or

Re: [talk-au] NASA completes another elevation map

2009-06-30 Thread Ross Scanlon
If your using gpsdrive or gosmore then you can integrate it for your own use anyway. Details are in the osm wiki. Cheers Ross Hmm, that's a bit annoying. The more restrictive license is probably due to the data being collected by Japanese equipment rather than purely NASA gear. Aw well,

Re: [talk-au] Mini-roundabout archive

2009-07-01 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 13:21:39 +1000 Rick Peterson ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote: Can someone please direct me to the talk-au archive post where the discussion commenced on the topic of mini-roundabouts ? Thanks Rick ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Tagwatch

2009-07-01 Thread Ross Scanlon
If you attempt to download it other than clicking on the button you do not get the file. Found that out before. Just downloaded it and its 102mb. Cheers Ross --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Rick ausr...@iinet.net.au wrote: Is anyone interested in looking at configuring the script to work with an

Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup

2009-07-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
as the default and can swap to the topo or gmap as required, ie when I get to an area with no/little osm data. The biggest advantage to this is that whilst mapping you can see what has and hasn't been done. Unfortunately it does not show the source type but I'm working on this. -- Ross Scanlon i

Re: [talk-au] validator plugin updates

2009-07-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
warnings. eg aeroway=runway, aeroway=taxiway, aeroway=apron, etc -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup

2009-07-18 Thread Ross Scanlon
Additionally I have the osm data installed as part of the base install to run mapnik for gpsdrive. Best thing about this is that it displays the map as openstreetmap does as it uses the xml file from osm to generate the map. -- Cheers Ross ___

Re: [talk-au] Best linux mapping/routing setup

2009-07-21 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:02:55 +1000 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009, Liz wrote: The version is v2.10pre4 how do i get it to use OSM? after a lot of fiddling, and breaking the modem software further, i got the pre7svn installed i managed to download some osm maps but

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:34:00 +1000 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: A clearance tag could just as easily be misinterpreted as the maxheight tag. I don't see how. bridge=yes; clearance=2.8... Roy Does this mean the bridge has a clearance of 2.8 or the road under the bridge has

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Ross Scanlon
, then drag it so that it is where the bridge crosses the way but do not join it to the bridge. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Coral Sea Islands

2009-08-04 Thread Ross Scanlon
Having seen that many are annoyed with this location showing up (I agree) and having read the wikipedia article on it. I've changed the place=country to place=state as it is a territory governed by Australia this more accurately describes the status. This should also mean it will not show up

[talk-au] gpsdrive and linux

2009-08-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
A request for John and Liz or any one else who may be interested. I have totally rebuilt the deb packages for gpsdrive now and would be interested in your thoughts. The new svn package can be downloaded from here: http://www.4x4falcon.com/gpsdrive/debian/ You will need to download:

Re: [talk-au] gpsdrive and linux

2009-08-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:32:45 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't really want to re-install my eeePC before the Nambour thing, so I'll try it in about 2 weeks time. However my comments about using mapnik still stands, it seems like over kill to run a full

Re: [talk-au] gpsdrive and linux

2009-08-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
to use the osm data directly. Any way when you get a chance would be appreciated. Cheers Ross On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:09:20 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Should not require a rebuild as it only needs

Re: [talk-au] Railtrails

2009-08-06 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:30:02 +0200 Evan Sebire e...@sebire.org wrote: Maybe slightly off-topic but does the current rendering engine obey the width parameter? I wanted to fix up a river that is in some parts 10m wide and others 100m. Would setting the width be the correct way to make it

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-08 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:42:56 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been looking for some kind of simple search that can be added to the map page, so far I haven't found anything open source or something I can easily hack into a website so I've cooked up a proof of

Re: [talk-au] Basic search, first attempt

2009-08-08 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:39:38 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: This case is an exception since there is a place=* node for Perth which is marked as a capital city, does anyone know 2 towns or villiages or ... with the same names in different states? or even same state I

Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

2009-08-16 Thread Ross Scanlon
have to use a relation to indicate that. Cheers and Welcome Ross -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] More hi-res sat imagery

2009-08-16 Thread Ross Scanlon
/listinfo/talk-au Don't forget to georeference the imagery if you are going to trace items. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] maps.bigtincan.com

2009-08-16 Thread Ross Scanlon
Is this still working? I get connection refused when attempting to contact ... errors. When I attempt to connect to maps.bigtincan.com or maps.bigtincan.com/tagwatch/ -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Hi, a noob starts some mapping.

2009-08-16 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:29:46 + (GMT) John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 17/8/09, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: If there was no u-turn permitted then you would have to use a relation to indicate that. That's what I was talking about :) Yes but some do

[talk-au] Australian osm.xml file

2009-09-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
John Smith, Is the Australian osm.xml (as in that rendered on BigTinCan) file readily available? If so where can it be downloaded from. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
Tags that are not VERY clearly defined in the wiki (as a guide) should be left alone. Given that source=survey and source=GPS are *both not defined* on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source, these should have been left alone. source=survey is in the wiki here:

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:23:01 +1000 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: If Mark wants to use source=gps rather than source=survey, because he feels it conveys a different meaning, then in the spirit of using any tags you like, I think he should be free to do so. Yes, use any tags you

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
If source=GPS (or source=gps) is unallowable, then why is it a preset in Potlatch? No idea, whoever wrote the presets for potlatch probably thinks it's a good idea but did not read the wiki. I'd prefer to stick to the guidelines, rather than making up tags - as long as I know what the

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
In general, the two are inseparable. If author A says M and means X, and author B says N and means Y, then changing N to M *does not lead to consistency*. (note: in this example, M=source=survey, N=source=gps, B=Mark). Except where M is already clearly defined as a constant, as in: source |

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:35:20 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: These were some of my original entries (2007) along with gpsdrivetrack, hopefully I've changed them all to source=survey now. I was just curious if they were still

Re: [talk-au] The source tag [Was] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
If we are being consistent then we probably need to have a look at the whole of the source key. Currently at http://map-data.bigtincan.com/tagwatch for ways there are the following tags: survey(50853) ABS_2006(33994) yahoo(27991) PGS(6468) yahoo_imagery(6229) GPS(4471) MMBW(3881)

Re: [talk-au] The source tag [Was] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:35:56 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: so who's aerial_photography is it? Those may need an attributation=* tag, should be easy enough to work out where they came from. A quick look shows http

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
I'm still a relative newcomer to OSM (and am still in wonder at the complexity and enormity of the task!) and have found this discussion quite interesting. I only use Potlatch as I was advised it was simple, and for beginners, and it loaded by default in the edit screen. I use an

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 22:11:30 +1000 Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: On 24/09/2009, at 2:07 PM, Ross Scanlon wrote: I'd prefer to stick to the guidelines, rather than making up tags - as long as I know what the guidelines actually are! Then RTFW There's no need to be rude

[talk-au] source=lansat

2009-09-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
I noticed in tagwatch that there are some source tags that have values lansat. Is this an incorrect entry for landsat? It seems to be about 3 or 4 users that have entered these. Google references the nasa landsat page or a definition of a type of berry. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] source=lansat

2009-09-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:25:52 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: I noticed in tagwatch that there are some source tags that have values lansat. Is this an incorrect entry for landsat? I'm guessing so, and it's easy with JOSM

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-25 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:24:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Something else worth noting, as I've been doing postcode boundaries I've noticed some people have wiped some of the ABS tags so they could do their roads or what not. I've added them back in as it's only fair to

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-25 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:58:14 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/25 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 13:24:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Something else worth noting, as I've been doing postcode boundaries I've noticed some

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-26 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:02:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/26 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: I don't think that the ABS boundaries change if the roads change. It'd be worth investigating, especially if other govt bodies can benefit from it and as a result we

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-26 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 00:35:05 +1000 terryc ter...@woa.com.au wrote: Ross Scanlon wrote: We should not just automatically change the coastline to the ABS data without at least looking at the sat imagery as well. What exactly will that tell you? I would expect that you need to find out

Re: [talk-au] Our own satellite imagery?

2009-09-26 Thread Ross Scanlon
From this website: http://www.skyshipsremote.com/airships.htm UK based company says in the UK there is an altitude limitation of 400ft (~130m) for UAV aircraft, not sure if the same is true in Australia though. If it is we can probably still cope with this via fish eye lenses like the

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:29:13 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries information it's possible to work out where streets are, although some streets have been consumed and the boundary information doesn't

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:46:22 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:29:13 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/3 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Using the Qld govt boundaries

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
I intended to fix it as soon as I could work out what tags were needed, but I thought I'd give an example of what is possible thanks to the new data becoming available. Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. -- Cheers Ross ___

Re: [talk-au] New CC-BY datasets due Monday 28 September on Government 2.0 Taskforce website

2009-10-03 Thread Ross Scanlon
Ok, so now a quick description of how you did this. Brendan has set up a WMS server of property boundaries, and things that aren't boudnaries show up as black areas and it's possible to guess which is roads depending how straight the gaps are between boudnaries. Here's a before shot of

[talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-04 Thread Ross Scanlon
Just noticed this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-20.34647lon=148.95263zoom=16layers=B000FTF If you then go to edit and zoom in you find: Two restaurants that are now in the ocean. The airport road now in the ocean, this is a surveyed road and runs along the foreshore. The dam next to the

Re: [talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:05:54 +1100 Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Mon, 5 Oct 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: So PLEASE look at the sat photos and already entered data before you go removing the coastline and using the ABS data automatically as the coastline. another paragraph in the wiki

[talk-au] Osm Street View

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
As the subject says http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-300-home-brew-street-view-camera/ -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
I've noticed lots of the islands off the Queensland coast have had their coastlines changed to natural=land. From the wiki this is incorrect. natural=land is for Land that exists within another area, such as a lake. additionally look here:

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing. The roads on Hamilton Island are in the middle of the water. -- Cheers Ross ___

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:26:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline Anything big enough to appear on z9 is most likely going to have more than 2000 nodes... That's one reason to use the shape files for the coastlines and if it's not tagged as natural=coastline when the shape files

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Only at z0-9, at least according to the wiki link you posted, not sure what happens after that, but natural=land will show up at z10- There are three shape files that can be used, which cover all zoom levels. They are world_boundaries, coastlines and shorelines. Also just looking at Lake Eyre

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Sorry, the 2 below it, if you zoom in to z10 you can see where Lake Eyre appears and at z9 it disappears. Interesting, on openstreetmap.org Lake Eyre appears from z6 whereas on bigtincan its from z9, so depends on how your osm.xml file is setup for mapnik. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:32:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Lake Gairdner and Lake Torrens are natural=coastline Well there both now natural=water as they are both single ways less than 1000 nodes and there's no need for them to be natural=coastline. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] Why not to change coastlines automatically to ABS data.

2009-10-06 Thread Ross Scanlon
I would be cautious about preferencing survey and satellite/aerial photography data over ABS. I have found errors in both of these. Survey data from GPS seems at times to have been either traced pooly from gpx tracks or based on innacurate position data, especially where there are tall

[talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi All, I'm looking at buying a handheld gps, probably Garmin, that can have the osm maps and shonkymaps loaded. This will mainly be used for bushwalking, thus the shonkymaps, so I'd like to be able to have both available all the time. Is anyone here using a Garmin with osm maps and/or

Re: [talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi Ben, Thanks. I dont know much about shonkymaps, but Im using a Garmin 60Csx with osm+contour maps for bushwalking. I dont miss any map details, and if, I add them.. Shonkymaps are topos so that when osm is not available I'll still have maps available. My opinion about the device: In

Re: [talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
. Cheers Ross On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Hi All, I'm looking at buying a handheld gps, probably Garmin, that can have the osm maps and shonkymaps loaded. This will mainly be used for bushwalking, thus the shonkymaps, so I'd like to be able to have

Re: [talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
2009/10/23 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Most of the areas we are intending on travelling to at the moment have little or no osm coverage, even the roads. In Qld? No. Also instead of a garmin have you thought about a smart phone? There is already a port of navit to android, bound

Re: [talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
Now the next question, how big (8Gb, 16Gb) a microSD card can these use. I can see no info in the specs and none of the retailers show this either. Actually finally found the answer on the Garmin site. For anyone interested. If at the most recent unit software version, these limitations are:

Re: [talk-au] Garmin Handheld with osm and shonkymaps

2009-10-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
Hi Ben, Thanks. What happens if you log directly to the microSD rather than the internal memory? The user manual shows this as an option and it also states that they are in gpx format. From the manual: Using this option allows you to record a large number of track points (depending on the

Re: [talk-au] Help with a couple of things

2009-11-10 Thread Ross Scanlon
easy fix. -- Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Help with a couple of things

2009-11-10 Thread Ross Scanlon
The two turns that I have to pass almost every day are the following: Point 31395304 (Holt Avenue and Military Road in Cremorne, NSW) should be no right turn both directions here. Point 13877590 (Christie Street and Pacific Highway in St Leonards. NSW) should be no right turn both

Re: [talk-au] Help with a couple of things

2009-11-10 Thread Ross Scanlon
The two turns that I have to pass almost every day are the following: Point 31395304 (Holt Avenue and Military Road in Cremorne, NSW) should be no right turn both directions here. Point 13877590 (Christie Street and Pacific Highway in St Leonards. NSW) should be no right turn both

Re: [talk-au] Help with a couple of things

2009-11-11 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:16:01 +1100 Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: a fence and medium strip dividing the two. That's median, meaning in the middle. Not medium, which means average. Pet peeve. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au

Re: [talk-au] tracing from ear map imagery

2009-11-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:59:05 - David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: I've just been looking at the nearmap imagery, and getting very jealous we don't have anything approaching this in the UK. Anyway, whets the preferred approach when I see road layout in OSM which is very

Re: [talk-au] Hello!

2009-11-26 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:16:14 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/11/26 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: 1) Is there anywhere to see which suburbs of Melbourne are totally unmapped, but covered by nearmap? You basically load up JOSM and look for blank areas or roads

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