Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Am 07.10.2019 um 15:50 schrieb David Woolley: > On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: >> The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL > > The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government > organisation has the ability to grant rights to.  It

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Am 07.10.2019 um 15:50 schrieb David Woolley: > On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: >> The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL > > The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government > organisation has the ability to grant rights to.  It

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 14:50, David Woolley wrote: On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government organisation has the ability to grant rights to.  It excepts

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government organisation has the ability to grant rights to. It excepts "third party rights the Information Provider is

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 11:43, Simon Poole wrote: Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag. It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 07/10/2019 11:43, Simon Poole wrote: It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be part of a proprietary dataset all alarm bells go off. Do you know how they derived that flag and if there is

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: > > ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag. > > It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be part of a proprietary dataset all

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 20:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: The reality is that people expect postcodes to be a functional search term on online mapping, at least in the UK, You *are* ware that UK post codes are fully findable on the OSM website and any site that runs the Nominatim geocoder? It must have been

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 15:41, Richard Fairhurst wrote: 2. However... just blindly importing them seems to be a real missed opportunity. If you give me a nice interface with centroids for Charlbury, I will have a go at mapping them to actual, useful polygons, based on my knowledge of the street layout and

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 20:28, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 10/4/19 20:51, Mark Goodge wrote: The reality is that people expect postcodes to be a functional search term on online mapping, at least in the UK, You *are* ware that UK post codes are fully findable on the OSM website and any site that

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 15:41, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Twopenn'orth and not particularly a reply to any single message: 1. I'm not against them being in the OSM database, mostly for the reason that it's unrealistic to expect every single app to do additional processing for all 195 countries in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: Besides, the main reason for importing these data is that we can get _all_ postcodes in the database. This gives users confidence that when they search for a postcode they will reliably get a result they are looking for. This is not possible

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Hi, On 10/4/19 20:51, Mark Goodge wrote: > The reality is that people expect postcodes to be a functional search term on > online mapping, at least in the UK, You *are* ware that UK post codes are fully findable on the OSM website and any site that runs the Nominatim geocoder? It must have been

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: This may not be a perfect solution but the information CPO/ONSPD contains is still extremely useful for geocoding. Search for a postcode and you are _guaranteed_ to get an address in a close vicinity to a place you are looking for. How about

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Thanks for this Chris, I've just added about 100 addr:postcodes to some of my manor in no time at all. It was mostly pretty easy to identify a good match for and existing building. Then I went back and added a source tag as an afterthought. Great stuff all round, I''l try to remember to make

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Twopenn'orth and not particularly a reply to any single message: 1. I'm not against them being in the OSM database, mostly for the reason that it's unrealistic to expect every single app to do additional processing for all 195 countries in the world. Sure, it would be nice if Osmand and maps.me

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Op vr 4 okt. 2019 om 14:07 schreef Russ Garrett : > > On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 13:59, David Woolley wrote: > > Although I don't have a primary source for this, my understanding is > > that the median is snapped to the nearest actual delivery point within > > the postcode. > > I was also under the

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 13:59, David Woolley wrote: > Although I don't have a primary source for this, my understanding is > that the median is snapped to the nearest actual delivery point within > the postcode. I was also under the impression that they were mathematical centroids of the postcode

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 13:47, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: No. The centre point is not associated with *any* delivery point. It is an arbitrary mean, calculated mathematically. it could, in theory, be located in the middle of a park. Even postcodes unique to one property/business aren't accurate as their

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 01:52, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: On 04/10/2019 00:26, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just not

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

My usual disclaimer that I have no great OSM expertise. Hopefully I can give a newbie's/recently-a-non-editor's perspective. This: > How about not needing to start Google Maps > when searching for a location on the go? would be reason enough to bring in postcodes in this way. Even if they're

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

4 Oct 2019, 01:26 by talk-gb@openstreetmap.org: > There's no point in importing to stand alone nodes as deliveries are destined > for buildings.  > Importing accurate and complete address nodes on a suitable licence is certainly helpful. Not sure is it applying also to incomplete set, but based

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 04/10/2019 00:26, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote: I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just not accurate enough as stated in this, & numerous other

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I think you're missing the point. Most contributors believe postcodes on buildings or property nodes, add quality to the OSM's database, but object to the import of codepoint as it's just not accurate enough as stated in this, & numerous other threads. There's no point in importing to stand

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 03/10/2019 09:26, Mark Goodge wrote: - The key (and deliberate) limitation Code-Point Open is that it doesn't distinguish between residential postcodes and postcodes assigned to "large users". This is not ideal but still useful - we know the postcode exists at a given location, we just

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 03/10/2019 01:40, nd...@redhazel.co.uk wrote: - Code-Point Open is a legal and open source of postcode data. In fact it is the _only_ legal source of such data in bulk. All other sources are either derived from CPO or are based on local knowledge. That's not true. The ONS Postcode

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 02/10/2019 14:20, Chris Hill wrote: I would not like to see that happen. OSM maps real objects, postcodes are not real and only apply as a part of an object's address. They apply to buildings (delivery points on buildings really). The postcodes in Codepoint Open are centroids derived from

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 02/10/2019 13:43, Russ Phillips via Talk-GB wrote: I'm wondering if it would be feasible and advisable to import the UK postcode data from OS OpenData Codepoint . I support it. From my own experience, requests

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I didn't even know there was an OsmAnd forum ;) I'll go look for it, thanks. Russ ⁣Get BlueMail for Android ​ On 2 Oct 2019, 16:47, at 16:47, Nick Allen wrote: >Hi Russ, > >Somewhere in tbe Osmand forum you should find a link for a postcode >player >you can download & use. I think it was

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I think this is a Win/JOSM problem - After pasting the URL If I move the cursor using the arrow keys the TMS URL is created. Thanks DaveF On 02/10/2019 17:19, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks for reporting a problem - I'll always try to respond if I can. The installation process has changed in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Thanks for reporting a problem - I'll always try to respond if I can. The installation process has changed in the past but it looks familiar now. I've just tested the installation instructions on JOSM version 15390 and it worked as expected. The Okay button enabled when the URL (with https)

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

FYI in JOSM (latest) https wont generate a TMS URL. I had to change the pasted URL to http & then back again. then it generated & 'ungreyed' the Okay button. Is this expected behaviour? On 02/10/2019 15:37, Chris Hill wrote: Thanks, I've just updated with August 2019 data, the next update is

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

OsmAnd is what made me think of it. I'm using that for directions a lot now, and it's common these days to give a postcode to plug into a sat nav, but they frequently don't work in OsmAnd. I was somewhat surprised that it hadn't already been done, and I accept all the reasons for not doing

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I really see no point. The data are already present in Nominatim (albeit perhaps not up-to-date) and search is the ONLY thing that so-called postcode centroids can help with. DE24 (Sinfin) was imported long ago, see this overpass query . What can be done is

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Cheers Chris, always mightily useful. Andy From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 02 October 2019 15:38 To: Tony OSM; OSM Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data? Thanks, I've just updated with August 2019 data, the next update is due in November I think

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

I would not like to see that happen. OSM maps real objects, postcodes are not real and only apply as a part of an object's address. They apply to buildings (delivery points on buildings really). The postcodes in Codepoint Open are centroids derived from a combination of all the delivery points

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

On 02/10/2019 13:57, David Woolley wrote: Whilst I'm not sure of the precise conclusions, this has been considered many many times before.  I think it may even have been done in some places.  I'd suggest a search of the list archives. Also, the discussing tab on the wiki page you referenced

Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?

Whilst I'm not sure of the precise conclusions, this has been considered many many times before. I think it may even have been done in some places. I'd suggest a search of the list archives. Note that this data is not suitable for reverse geo-coding, because I don't believe it distinguishes