Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Mann
The wiki is also not the only truth. Peter - you get all sorts of rendering issues when you attach layer tags to objects that are typically drawn over-size (eg roads). So if someone has gone to the trouble of putting something that is typically below street level (eg a stream) to a consistent

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton gm...@jordan-maynard.org wrote: So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that it's 3.5 years since since the schedule for rendering the National Byway was this week. eeek! Let's face it though, in the face of trying to keep

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Thanks for response Andy. I'm with you regarding tagging the NB as ncn= for the reasons you give. Appreciate all your hard work in keeping the cyclemap up and running. It's a fantastic resource. On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also surprised that they haven't

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. Strongly disagree. But then you know that. :) I think the root (route?) problem is

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I think the root (route?) problem is that we're tagging everything as networks even if they're not. I've been as guilty as anyone of this: when I mapped the Four Castles Cycle Route around Abergavenny, I tagged it

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 20 April 2011 10:17 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
On 20 April 2011 10:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Ooh, a golden opportunity to point out (to Richard of all people :-) ) that the key / value pairs are just arbitrary UTF8 strings and can mean whatever we want them to mean. So the letters n-e-t-w-o-r-k

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the National Byway a network - it's a circular route with the odd spur - but I guess

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
On 20 April 2011 12:11, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 11:24, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: This raises an important point that cropped up last week in Brum where Brian had tagged a serious of routes that the local campaign group, Pushbikes, are promoting. The issue was that these routes don't exist on the ground. Like a bus

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
I have created a new ITO Map overlay showing highway=byway in red and designation=restricted_byway in blue. It would also show ways with route=bicycle and name=National Byway as a thick green line, however there aren't any that I can see as yet. You can try it here:

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: I can't see any obvious instances of this tagging in the database at present. Can you give me some example ways? Ah, well, if you're asking about how it's tagged at present: it's grouped in _relations_ (as cycle routes usually are) which have tags route=bicycle,

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 12:11, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the National Byway a network - it's a

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/04/2011 10:03, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also surprised that they haven't yet changed the standard ranger sticker from the cycling one to the one that adds the pedestrian at the top as well. Every ranger

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 12:31, Peter Miller wrote: I have created a new ITO Map overlay showing highway=byway in red and designation=restricted_byway in blue. It would also show ways with route=bicycle and name=National Byway as a thick green line, however there aren't any that I can see as yet. You can

Re: [Talk-GB] Sorting out layering in East Anglia, Essex, London and Kent

2011-04-20 Thread Ed Avis
Peter Miller peter.miller@... writes: It it is in a cutting the the 'cutting' tag would be appropriate. because the layer tag saying nothing about relative height to a parallel way, only about the z ordering at crossing points. This is the problem - there are two different conventions for the

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread David Dixon
On 20/04/2011 13:19, monxton wrote: The National Byway is currently tagged as : route=bicycle network=national_byway name=National Byway (region name) but the proposal being discussed here is to change to network=ncn I started one of the older threads on the same topic, so I've been