Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Stephen Gower
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 05:11:20PM +, Richard Fairhurst wrote: - Local cycle networks with objective, on-the-ground evidence (usually signposts) are tagged as lcn=yes (and lcn_ref=..., lcn_name=..., or the relations equivalent) as at present. This sounds reasonable. Round here (Oxford),

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Ed Loach
In your first example, they're all double-labeled, EG: http://cycle.st/p34892 Seems to be located on Northmoor Road according to the accompanying map, yet the route seems to be drawn on Charlbury Road. Is the photo just wrongly located in cycle streets, or has the route changed and the sign is

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
The geolocation in cyclestreets is wrong. The route has been on Charlbury Road since the early nineties, and the signs since the late nineties. There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up in various places. Richard On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Ed Loach

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Stephen Gower
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 02:05:52PM +, Ed Loach wrote: In your first example, they're all double-labeled, EG: http://cycle.st/p34892 Seems to be located on Northmoor Road according to the accompanying map, yet the route seems to be drawn on Charlbury Road. The geolocation was wrong -

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up in various places. Not sure which stickers you're referring to, but IIRC Sustrans 'Ranger' stickers are approved for use by almost all highway authorities in England, including Oxfordshire. (The two I'm

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Richard Mann
They're not approved in the signs regs, which I think has jurisdiction. IANAL etc. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Richard Mann wrote: There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up in various places. Not sure which

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-30 Thread Andy Robinson
: Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network They're not approved in the signs regs, which I think has jurisdiction. IANAL etc. On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Richard Mann wrote: There are also some non-approved stickers that Sustrans have put up

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Andy Robinson
Works for me Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] Sent: 28 November 2011 17:11 To: talk-gb OSM List (E-mail) Subject: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network Hello all, We seem to be ending up with wildly conflicting use of 'lcn=yes

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Richard Mann
In London there's also the problem that the Cycle SuperHighways and LCN are both tagged the same, despite being rather different beasts. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Richard Mann
Thinking about it, I reckon official/operator/signposted tags on the relation are a better approach, since the matter is rarely quite as yes/no as defining a separate network. Might have to break some relations into sections, to reflect the officialness and signpostedness of different sections,

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Andy Allan
This sounds a bit like yes it is/oh no it isn't tags. If it's not an actual cycle route, then it shouldn't be otherwise identically tagged but just with additional official=no or operator=Some Wishful Thinkers. I think your earlier suggestion of tagging them separately to lcn/ncn/rcn would be

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Andy Allan
On 29 November 2011 09:17, Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote: In London there's also the problem that the Cycle SuperHighways and LCN are both tagged the same, despite being rather different beasts. In what way? They are both signed cycle routes covering a reasonably local

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-29 Thread Dave F.
On 28/11/2011 18:37, Richard Fairhurst wrote: (for example, I'm group co-ordinator for North West Oxfordshire and have tagged those routes in our area which are under discussion with local councils and are likely to open in the next few years) What tags did you use? Dave F.

[Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Hello all, We seem to be ending up with wildly conflicting use of 'lcn=yes', 'lcn_ref=*', and similar tags across Britain. In London, these tags are used as you would expect - to map the signposted London Cycle Network. It's pretty much in keeping with ncn= and rcn= tagging. In Worcester,

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Kev js1982
I've done a bulk of the Nottingham one (especially in the South and East) and have generally followed the following rules (which others in the area appear to have followed too) 1. If it's got NCN numbers it's NCN - From the last sign I continue it until the next junction (e.g. NCN 15 is only

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 28/11/2011 18:29, SomeoneElse wrote: The problem with proposed routes is that they don't exist yet and so the usual on the ground check is difficult. Then don't map them. Seriously, if these networks aren't at the implementation stage, there's little point in adding them to OSM. Even

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Someoneelse wrote: Thanks Andy. Makes sense to me. Do you know if there is anywhere a list of proposed Sustrans routes (not based on OS mapping hopefully) that could be used for fact-checking some of the more wishful proposed cycle ways in OSM? Andy R and I have a list of three-digit NCN

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread SomeoneElse
Jonathan Bennett wrote: Then don't map them. Seriously, if these networks aren't at the implementation stage, there's little point in adding them to OSM. Even worse, if a route relies on some improvement work (e.g. clearing of a railway trackbed) that hasn't been done, having the route there

Re: [Talk-GB] LCN - Local Cycle Network

2011-11-28 Thread Richard Mann
I guess the big-society-defined ones can be ccn and Andy can include them or not as he chooses. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb