Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-22 Thread Peter Reed
Here is an alternative view of the National Byway as a KML overlay on OSM Cycle Map. http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/osmembed.html?kml=http://www.reedhome.o rg.uk/Documents/KML/natbyway.kml http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/osmembed.html?kml=http://www.reedhome.

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-22 Thread Peter Reed
It might be easier using this link - - http://tinyurl.com/3oondxj Here is an alternative view of the National Byway as a KML overlay on OSM Cycle Map. http://www.reedhome.org.uk/Documents/osmembed.html?kml=http://www.reedhome.o rg.uk/Documents/KML/natbyway.kml

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-22 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Dixon wrote: OK, I've updated the tagging of all the National Byway relations listed on the wiki to network=rcn, and also updated the wiki to reflect the changes. I suppose I ought to go out and fill in some of the local gaps now! Thumbs up to all of that. :) cheers Richard --

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Dixon wrote: Richard - are you prepared to humour the rest of us and give this a go? Well, I can't stop you! If I were someone wanting the National Byway to render right now, I'd tag it as rcn, not ncn, because I believe if it quacks like a duck, tag it like a duck and the quality and

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Mann
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: an old-style county cycleway (now generally Regional Routes) ... Does anyone object if longish-distance routes (eg the round-Berkshire route) are now coded as rcn (rather than lcn), given that Sustrans have moved away

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: Does anyone object if longish-distance routes (eg the round-Berkshire route) are now coded as rcn (rather than lcn), given that Sustrans have moved away from making a distinction between their national and regional routes? Personally I think that'd be a great improvement.

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread monxton
On 21/04/2011 13:42, Richard Fairhurst wrote: If I were someone wanting the National Byway to render right now, I'd tag it as rcn, not ncn, because I believe if it quacks like a duck, tag it like a duck and the quality and design of the National Byway is much more akin to an old-style county

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-21 Thread David Dixon
On 21/04/2011 13:42, Richard Fairhurst wrote: David Dixon wrote: Richard - are you prepared to humour the rest of us and give this a go? Well, I can't stop you! If I were someone wanting the National Byway to render right now, I'd tag it as rcn, not ncn, because I believe if it quacks like a

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton gm...@jordan-maynard.org wrote: So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that it's 3.5 years since since the schedule for rendering the National Byway was this week. eeek! Let's face it though, in the face of trying to keep

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
...@gmail.com] Sent: 20 April 2011 9:23 AM To: monxton Cc: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM, monxton gm...@jordan-maynard.org wrote: So I hope his sense of humour is robust enough for me to mention that it's 3.5 years

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring it into line with all the other national cycling routes in every other country in OSM. Strongly disagree. But then you know that. :) I think the root (route?) problem is

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: I think the root (route?) problem is that we're tagging everything as networks even if they're not. I've been as guilty as anyone of this: when I mapped the Four Castles Cycle Route around Abergavenny, I tagged it

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Richard Fairhurst [mailto:rich...@systemed.net] wrote: Sent: 20 April 2011 10:17 AM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Andy Allan wrote: If we keep the route=bicycle I would suggest network=ncn, name = National Byway and therefore bring

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
On 20 April 2011 10:46, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Andy Allan wrote: Ooh, a golden opportunity to point out (to Richard of all people :-) ) that the key / value pairs are just arbitrary UTF8 strings and can mean whatever we want them to mean. So the letters n-e-t-w-o-r-k

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the National Byway a network - it's a circular route with the odd spur - but I guess

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
On 20 April 2011 12:11, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 11:24, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: This raises an important point that cropped up last week in Brum where Brian had tagged a serious of routes that the local campaign group, Pushbikes, are promoting. The issue was that these routes don't exist on the ground. Like a bus

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Peter Miller
I have created a new ITO Map overlay showing highway=byway in red and designation=restricted_byway in blue. It would also show ways with route=bicycle and name=National Byway as a thick green line, however there aren't any that I can see as yet. You can try it here:

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: I can't see any obvious instances of this tagging in the database at present. Can you give me some example ways? Ah, well, if you're asking about how it's tagged at present: it's grouped in _relations_ (as cycle routes usually are) which have tags route=bicycle,

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 12:11, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote: What tagging would you expect us to use within OSM to identify something as being part of this network? Just route=bicycle, name=National Byway should be enough IMO. I wouldn't really call the National Byway a network - it's a

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread SomeoneElse
On 20/04/2011 10:03, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: On your note re Sustrans walking/cycling I did the same chuckle. I'm also surprised that they haven't yet changed the standard ranger sticker from the cycling one to the one that adds the pedestrian at the top as well. Every ranger

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread monxton
On 20/04/2011 12:31, Peter Miller wrote: I have created a new ITO Map overlay showing highway=byway in red and designation=restricted_byway in blue. It would also show ways with route=bicycle and name=National Byway as a thick green line, however there aren't any that I can see as yet. You can

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-20 Thread David Dixon
On 20/04/2011 13:19, monxton wrote: The National Byway is currently tagged as : route=bicycle network=national_byway name=National Byway (region name) but the proposal being discussed here is to change to network=ncn I started one of the older threads on the same topic, so I've been

[Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread monxton
Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing that it is not rendered on the cycle map. I've rummaged around in the history of this issue and located what I think are the most relevant thread starters:

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread martyn
I recently cycled following Byway signs to the Cambridgeshire border near Gamlingay (where the signs disappeared ..) I later extended the relation for that part of the Byway which I found by searching the Wiki. The Sustrans network is often better mapped in OSM than on the Sustrans website.

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: Sent: 19 April 2011 3:24 PM To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap Lately I've been doing some tagging of the South-West region of the National Byway, and I'm finding it quite disappointing

Re: [Talk-GB] National Byway rendering on OpenCycleMap

2011-04-19 Thread monxton
On 19/04/2011 17:05, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: monxton [mailto:gm...@jordan-maynard.org] wrote: These, and other threads I haven't listed, tend to end with Andy saying that he will render the National Byway tags in their own colour some time in the future. I guess we need