Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Dale Puch
Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. There may be reasons to put in signs, I just do not think this is one of them. Dale On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:12 AM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Tag the first node of the offramp as

Re: [Talk-us] Possible destructive bug in JOSM build 2417 - need someone to duplicate

2009-11-12 Thread Mike N.
I just tried with 2439 and can't seem to reproduce this. -- Dave The issue I was having is gone with 2439svn. I see a lingering problem in 2439 - apparently overlapping downloads + edits cause a large mass of downloads to be marked as changed for upload.

Re: [Talk-us] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Mike N.
Ian Dees wrote: * Ok, not impossible, but the import size would triple and the CPU time to compute the new addressing-only ways might make it hard for the regular mapper to do. But for no added code and editor complexity. If it's just an issue of CPU time, I would be happy to set up a box

Re: [Talk-us] hillshade

2009-11-12 Thread Lars Ahlzen
Don Lambert wrote: The problem seems to be with the color relief tiles between 106.6 long and 107.3 long at the approx 1:34,285 and 1:17,142 scale levels. Indeed. I've started rendering the missing tiles, so they should be up within a few days. - Lars -- Lars Ahlzen l...@ahlzen.com

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:28 -0600, Ian Dees wrote: Give everyone a chance to work in a constructive way and don't expect others to clean the mess bad import left behind. No wonder there are only few motivated mappers in US. In Canada they do a much

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Ian Dees
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots of post-import fixups in the last 6 months and it's much harder than everyone

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It probably has to be a relation.  Include a start node, an end node, and a list of one or more ways (which are connected to form one logical way).  

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at least in many parts of the world, is

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know any place except in US where this has been done. Even if it weren't done anywhere else (which it is, see below), there are a lot of houses in the US. how is that easier than the Karlsruhe scheme? It's

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Randy
Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. There may be reasons to put in signs, I just do not think this is one of them. Dale -- Dale Puch Don't forget the intent of the requester's original question, i.e., how to tag an

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Chris Hunter wrote: Tag the first node of the offramp as highway=motorway_junction. As far as the sign itself goes, there's a proposed relationship for signs in the UK and EU at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign that may be of some help. Note that destination

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. Agreed. Another factor is that the US MUTCD only defines a very small number of specific services nationwide (food, lodging, camping, telephone, gasoline, diesel), while other states

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
If we're going to go into detail, no type of interpolation reflects reality, it's just interpolation. I disagree.  An approximation of reality reflects reality.  Physical street surveys will almost never get 100% reality due to missing house numbers, etc.   Are you proposing to discourage

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Mike N.
FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

[Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Thea Clay
Hi, I have a random question... does anyone have suggestions for how I would correctly tag a Super Wal-Mart? I read through the wiki but there didn't appear to be a tag that fit. The store in question has a 1.) a full grocery store with bakery/deli/produce/dry goods, 2.) a full service hair

[Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Alan Mintz
How should one tag a no-right-turn-on-red-light restriction? Like other turn restrictions, with restriction=no_right_turn_on_red? -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules They did? What

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Thea Clay wrote: Hi, I have a random question... does anyone have suggestions for how I would correctly tag a Super Wal-Mart? I read through the wiki but there didn't appear to be a tag that fit. The store in question has a 1.) a full grocery store with bakery/deli/produce/dry goods,

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Randy wrote: Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. There may be reasons to put in signs, I just do not think this is one of them. Dale -- Dale Puch Don't forget the intent of the requester's original question, i.e.,

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Mintz wrote: How should one tag a no-right-turn-on-red-light restriction? Like other turn restrictions, with restriction=no_right_turn_on_red? I think this is going too far into depth for any real navigation purpose, I'd say skip it as the restriction lasts for only seconds at a time,

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Russ Nelson
We kinda have this problem all over the place: anywhere you have multiple places of business where you enter into the building at the same location for all of them. This could be a mall, or a Wal-Mart, or a two-story building with a store on each level. We currently have no markup for accurately

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Ian hasn't (yet) mentioned whether this data he deals with contains potential address ranges or actual ranges, so I assumed actual. The fact that it's tagged on the line segments representing the road centerline pretty

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: There are cases with Karlruhe Scheme that need addditional tags like Czech addresses but I haven't heard of such cases from US or other mappers.  I recently started using a new modifier tag addr:inclusion to help in accurately

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Kate
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Thea Clay t...@cloudmade.com wrote: Hi, I have a random question... does anyone have suggestions for how I would correctly tag a Super Wal-Mart? I read through the wiki but there didn’t appear to be a tag that fit. The store in question has a 1.) a full

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear which side an address is on, better than any tags you can put on the

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Dale Puch
I would have to side with not tagging them. This is a timming restriction, not a navigation one. The only time you need that information is when your at that red light. Your not checking the map or routing software to decide if you should turn or not, your checking the intersection for traffic,

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Dale Puch
Kate's suggestion echoed my thought as well. Many of those are actually seprate businesses/services and should be tagged separately anyhow. Dale On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Thea Clay t...@cloudmade.com wrote: Hi, I have

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear which side an address is on, better than any

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them.  This is a timming restriction, not a navigation one. Navigation is not the only purpose of OSM data :). I see no piratical use for the information on the map. If you could build

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I consider interpolation ways to be an abstract thing also. To convey the information, they need to be on each side of the road The thing is, they don't. As long as there is no doubt (for the person viewing the

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Owlman
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them. This is a timming restriction, not a navigation one. Navigation is not the only purpose of OSM data :). I think

[Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?

2009-11-12 Thread Sarah Manley
Hello All, Did someone delete the talk-us-bayarea list? From the last email discussion on talk-us there was never a full or agreed upon decision. I just tried to announce an upcoming event and got the following error message. I understand it's not an active mailing list, but it is used for

[Talk-us] Meeting Minutes for November 9th

2009-11-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I'm very sorry for the long delay. I've moved the meeting minutes to Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdR8Q-fn7LjLZGNzY2h3cXpfOWNqY2s0Y2M3hl=en If you'd like to edit them, or edit the next meeting minutes (or agenda, which is forthcoming), please send me your Google username so I

Re: [Talk-us] Meeting Minutes for November 9th

2009-11-12 Thread Nakor
Serge Wroclawski wrote: I'm very sorry for the long delay. I've moved the meeting minutes to Google Docs: http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AdR8Q-fn7LjLZGNzY2h3cXpfOWNqY2s0Y2M3hl=en Hello, Is there a reason to put this @ Google instead of on the wiki? Thanks, N.

Re: [Talk-us] Meeting Minutes for November 9th

2009-11-12 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a reason to put this @ Google instead of on the wiki? Several people wanted it on Google Docs so it could be edited by multiple members in real time. - Serge ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Chris Hunter
That's what database normalization addresses. BTW, this is the first time I've heard of the semicolon approach. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Unfortunately, that doesn't work. The tags must be unique on the name side. That's why you see name, name_1,