Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Shaun McDonald
The semi colon approach has been a method in use for many years now, but it's generally avoided. Unfortunately we don't have database normalisation with our tagging system. The Keys must be unique. Previous version of the API allowed keys that were not unique, however nothing used it as the

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Richard Shank
So it the general consensus to use name = first name, name_1 = second_name, name_2 = third name instead of name=first name;second name; third name? I've be adding names to motorway_junctions and I've see the semicolon format, so I started do the same myself. Richard Shaun McDonald wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Stellan Lagerstrom
Richard Shank wrote: So it the general consensus to use name = first name, name_1 = second_name, name_2 = third name instead of name=first name;second name; third name? I've be adding names to motorway_junctions and I've see the semicolon format, so I started do the same myself. The

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2009-11-13 01:58, Stellan Lagerstrom wrote: Richard Shank wrote: So it the general consensus to use name = first name, name_1 = second_name, name_2 = third name instead of name=first name;second name; third name? I've be adding names to motorway_junctions and I've see the semicolon

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Shaun McDonald
Going back to the original question, each shop should be it's own node or area, thus the problem of multiple names isn't an issue any more. You place the nodes of the shops roughly where they are within the shopping centre. If you do have something that has multiple names, you are better

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Mike N.
If you do have something that has multiple names, you are better stating what the name is. For example if a bridge has a name, you could use name= for the street name that runs on top of the bridge, and name:bridge for the name of the bridge itself. I'm sure there are better examples. I didn't

Re: [Talk-us] Meeting Minutes for November 9th

2009-11-13 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: I'm very sorry for the long delay. I've moved the meeting minutes to Google Docs: My apologies. This is the published version. http://docs.google.com/View?id=dcschwqz_9cjck4cc7 I'm still getting used to Google Docs. -

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Kate
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Going back to the original question, each shop should be it's own node or area, thus the problem of multiple names isn't an issue any more. You place the nodes of the shops roughly where they are within the

[Talk-us] Cleaning up the US Chapter Pages

2009-11-13 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I've tried to clean up our chapter pages a bit. Information was spread across multiple pages. That's no longer the case. Everything is value is at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States That means the meeting information for the next meeting, as well as the

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Going back to the original question, each shop should be it's own node or area, thus the problem of multiple names isn't an issue any more. You

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 13 Nov 2009, at 14:23, Ian Dees wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:17 AM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: Going back to the original question, each shop should be it's own node or area, thus the problem of

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Dale Puch
For the same reason as doing nodes at a mall or similar. To know the stores/services available, not just the type of stuff that is usually there. If your tagging fast food, why would you not tag the McDonalds in the super walmart as well? Or the bank ect. As for the walmart services

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:19 -0500, Mike N. wrote: FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-13 Thread Randy
Paul Johnson wrote: Randy wrote: Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. There may be reasons to put in signs, I just do not think this is one of them. Dale -- Dale Puch Don't forget the intent of the requester's original

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-13 Thread Randy
Alex S. wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: return-to-where-you-came-from [sign] (at state lines to send you back out of Oregon), etc). U-Turn Route - there are quite a few signed u-turn routes in Washington state, too. I have questioned (myself) whether these should be explicitly defined in OSM. On

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-13 Thread Mike N.
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py Cool stuff! I've been looking at doing the same thing. Which osgeo python code are you using? I'm using the default lib for Fedora - GDAL 1.6.0; release 8.fc11 . Someone else (in Georgia?) created all

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Randy
Dale Puch wrote: For the same reason as doing nodes at a mall or similar. To know the stores/services available, not just the type of stuff that is usually there. If your tagging fast food, why would you not tag the McDonalds in the super walmart as well? Or the bank ect. As for the walmart

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Owlman wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them.  This is a timming

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Owlman wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them. This is a timming restriction, not a navigation one. Navigation is not the only purpose of OSM

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Mintz wrote: California being one of those more permissive states, I agree with the annoyance at those who don't know it's legal to turn right on red (or the other cases) unless specifically prohibited. Because it is rare to see this prohibition, I believe it is important to tag and

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alex S. wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: return-to-where-you-came-from [sign] (at state lines to send you back out of Oregon), etc). U-Turn Route - there are quite a few signed u-turn routes in Washington state, too. I have questioned (myself) whether these should be explicitly defined in

[Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...? Yours c. Steve On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing someone else's code:

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dave Hansen
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:14 -0700, SteveC wrote: Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...? http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/secret/stevec-345/ -- Dave ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Mike N.
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. Thanks to those who worked on the namefinder - it worked GREAT

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi Dave, can you provide SC (Santa Clara County) California? btw any ideas how the break it into smaller pieces? I definitely don't want to upload a whole county at once and deal with the big mess afterwards. As I understand it address ways don't connect to other ways so it shouldn't be

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.  

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Nakor
Paul Johnson wrote: (such as only one other state allowing left turn on red from a two way street, contra to the national default). And that would be? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Nakor
Nakor wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: (such as only one other state allowing left turn on red from a two way street, contra to the national default). And that would be? Sorry I realized after posting that can sound aggressive. I am just being curious that's all. Thanks, N.

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote: Nakor wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: (such as only one other state allowing left turn on red from a two way street, contra to the national default). And that would be? Sorry I realized after posting that can sound aggressive. I

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Nakor
Anthony wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Nakor nakor...@gmail.com wrote: Nakor wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: (such as only one other state allowing left turn on red from a two way street, contra to the national default). And that would be? Sorry I

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time. And hopefully in some

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Russ Nelson
Anthony writes: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Alex S.
Nakor wrote: Anthony wrote: Five other states, namely Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon and Washington, allow left turns on red even from a two-way street. Thanks. I had always wondered if this is allowed here in MI as only a few people do it at the one intersection like that I know near

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Richard Welty
On 11/13/09 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote: O TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive

[Talk-us] Massachusetts County reservoir tagging Re: Salt Fork Lake rendering issue

2009-11-13 Thread Bill Ricker
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Seth Fitzsimmons s...@mojodna.net wrote: That looks likely. Quabbin Reservoir (Western MA) is also rendering similarly: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.3749lon=-72.2847zoom=12layers=0B00FTF Last I checked, landuse=reservoir is being rendered like

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Matthias Julius
Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com writes: Dale Puch wrote: For the same reason as doing nodes at a mall or similar. To know the stores/services available, not just the type of stuff that is usually there. If your tagging fast food, why would you not tag the McDonalds in the super walmart as

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alex S. wrote: Nakor wrote: Anthony wrote: Five other states, namely Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon and Washington, allow left turns on red even from a two-way street. Thanks. I had always wondered if this is allowed here in MI as only a few people do it at the one intersection like

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Anthony wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Owlman wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them.  This is a

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
Dave I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two things. In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search for all the ways that make up the addressing on

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM, SteveC wrote: Dave I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two things. In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just

Re: [Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?

2009-11-13 Thread SteveC
it got killed after consensus from people On Nov 12, 2009, at 5:54 PM, Sarah Manley wrote: Hello All, Did someone delete the talk-us-bayarea list? From the last email discussion on talk-us there was never a full or agreed upon decision. I just tried to announce an upcoming event and got

Re: [Talk-us] deletion of talk-us-bayarea?

2009-11-13 Thread Sam Vekemans
Hi, If the only reason to have a local talk-list is to host mapping parties, then meetup.com is better designed for that (it will find newbie mappers easier). ( itoworld, you can find everyone around) Otherwise, keeping the discussion 'more open' is best. imo. Ie. If your talking about importing

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive information about places where you've

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the TIGER import was

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-13 Thread Randy
Matthias Julius wrote: Randy rwtnospam-new...@yahoo.com writes: Dale Puch wrote: For the same reason as doing nodes at a mall or similar. To know the stores/services available, not just the type of stuff that is usually there. If your tagging fast food, why would you not tag the McDonalds in

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Dan Homerick
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to