[Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I am not sure what this means in rural areas, but in urban places, hamlets are often just places like apartment complexes, or other nondescript places. They don't rise to the prominence of even a neighborhood (putting aside

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/21/13 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I am not sure what this means in rural areas, but in urban places, hamlets are often just places like apartment complexes, or other nondescript places. i think this varies

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: i think this varies state-to-state. the following applies to NY. hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions. in urban areas, hamlets are generally once distinct communities that have been

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Toby Murray
Around here they seem to just be somewhat random areas of town. Not formal neighborhoods or anything. Examples: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151609519 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/151882535 I've already deleted a couple of others because they didn't make much sense and

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim McAndrew
It sounds like we want CDPs and not hamlets, although there is some overlap. What would be ideal would be to remove all the hamlets and import the CDPs, but we could also just remove all hamlets that aren't also a CDP. On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Sean Bartell
Hello, Serge Wroclawski on 2013-06-21: During the TIGER import, small neighborhoods were imported as hamlets. I'm wondering what other people's experience with the hamlets are. Are they useful where you live? Are they nonsense (as they have been in NYC and DC)? I've only seen a few around

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/21/13 11:07 AM, Sean Bartell wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. A neighborhood is understood to be a place that's not often in an address, but a hamlet is

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Jim McAndrew
In Pennsylvania, Villages are often labeled as Hamlets. These villages always appear within another municipality (as the entire state is incorporated). They don't have any legal entity associated with them, and they are probably becoming less important as suburbs take over the old farming areas.

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread stevea
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: hamlets are not incorporated areas and have no government functions. Virtually always true, in my experience. However, a hamlet might find itself inside of an incorporated city limit (say, for historical reasons).

[Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
i think we probably need to specify this. do we want geocoding to reference postal addresses, e.g. 123 Example Street Anytown, IA, 12345 to resolve as a proper postal address both forwards and back, or do we want it to resolve within some recognized boundary for Anytown? these are different,

[Talk-us] OSM and ISTE (k12 edtech conf)

2013-06-21 Thread Jeff Meyer
Any OSM'ers headed to ISTE next week in San Antonio? I'll be there for my day job, but would love to meet up with any peeps interested in extending any of the SotM US and other ed discussions. Thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347

[Talk-us] Colorado Wildfire Coordination

2013-06-21 Thread Russell Deffner
Hello fellow OSM-ers, Well, I really wish I had some better news; I've been meaning to do a write-up/re-cap of SOTM-US, work with the HOT Activation group (and other HOT things), and a re-cap/case study of the Black Forest Fire mapping response. Unfortunately all that will continue to be on

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Mike N
On 6/21/2013 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. I would say not to touch any hamlets; let the locals fix them up appropriately.

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 6/21/2013 9:17 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I realized only after last week's discussion about neighborhoods that the hamlets (which are distinct from nehighborhoods) are the things messing up the geocoder. I would say not

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Scott Rollins
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Their presence doesn't hurt anything, aside from the small geocoding hiccup or map not rendering optimally. The map should reflect ground reality, so unless there are hamlets in these places, we should strive to fix

Re: [Talk-us] Hamlets!

2013-06-21 Thread Elliott Plack
Great topic Serge. A lot of the hamlets in Baltimore come from platted subdivision names, that due to extra awesome county GIS agencies that have been around for 30+ years, were in TIGER in 2000. In my county almost every subdivision is considered a hamlet, even the ones that are like Walton

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-21 Thread Mike N
On 6/21/2013 1:42 PM, Richard Welty wrote: there is no single solution to both of these problems. the current handling of this in Nominatum is so far as i know focused on admin boundaries, and will not handle the postal address case properly. so what do we mean by geocoding? what do we want it

Re: [Talk-us] what do we mean by geocoding?

2013-06-21 Thread Richard Welty
On 6/21/13 9:39 PM, Mike N wrote: On 6/21/2013 1:42 PM, Richard Welty wrote: there is no single solution to both of these problems. the current handling of this in Nominatum is so far as i know focused on admin boundaries, and will not handle the postal address case properly. so what do we

[Talk-us] Route relation pages

2013-06-21 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, A few of us were talking about setting up custom highway shield rendering on the US tile server earlier this week. Because this rendering relies heavily on route relations (rather than ref tags on the way, as the default mapnik stylesheet does) we need a better way to track the status of

Re: [Talk-us] Route relation pages

2013-06-21 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: There are pages for each state, for the US routes, and for the Interstates. Code (pretty messy) is on github, here: https://github.com/mvexel/relationpages - if you want to help out and make this more useful, fork away.