On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
forget the technical aspect for a minute and think about motivation,
how a community works and all that. no one is interested to cleanup
crap after a bad import.
That's exactly what I've been gladly doing around
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:34 AM, David ``Smith'' vidthe...@gmail.com wrote:
I'll concede that there's a me too aspect involved with trying to
make OSM work for geocoding like the big names do. But that doesn't
mean there aren't legitimate motivations. OSM's street map is
arguably better than
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Qgis.png for an example
of something I whipped up for my neighborhood in a few hours
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changeset/1825/download for
a sample of what the osm looks
Hi,
Dave Hansen wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
Well then you obviously haven't read the two latest entries in Matt
Amos' blog here,
On Sun, 2009-11-15 at 23:30 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Dave Hansen wrote:
There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that
like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single person say
that it did more harm than good.
Well then you obviously haven't read the two latest entries in
Alan Millar wrote:
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import.
I am.
tiger import was great from technical
point of view but didn't allow to build a community from scratch.
I didn't want to build anything from scratch. I'm simply not
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote:
On 11/13/09 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
O
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the
most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of
OSM itself.
It shouldn't be
For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address
information available from the county. If you want to import address
information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER.
For that case, clearly the county information is vastly preferred over
TIGER. I'm curious about
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
the problem is Tiger contains tons of dead data.
No, the problem is that TIGER uses privacy-obfuscated potential
addresses, while the Karlsruhe Schema is set up for actual addresses.
Yes, in some locations the error
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
For pretty much all of Florida there is parcel-by-parcel address
information available from the county. If you want to import address
information, that would be much more accurate than TIGER.
For that case, clearly the county
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
In particular, please don't import this stuff into Hillsborough
County, Florida. Not unless you're going to use a schema which can
co-exist with actual addressing.
And don't import it at all in Orange County, Florida: they already
Anthony writes:
As for why they don't put restrictions on the data, that's likely
because (under Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service) it can't
be copyrighted under US law in the first place.
The *data* can't be copyrighted, but the format and presentation of it
can. But then
TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else. But that's not the
case where I live. It's fine to fall back on if your actual address
search fails. But adding it in a way that encourages people to
*update* the potential addresses with actual addresses defeats that
possibility.
Perhaps
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
TIGER is fine if you don't have anything else. But that's not the
case where I live. It's fine to fall back on if your actual address
search fails. But adding it in a way that encourages people to
*update* the potential
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in
from scratch. I've
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
some cautious people are
even afraid to touch tiger data because it has this Tiger is a
reference data I don't feel confident to change it label attached.
If you're scared of the tiger tags, just remove them.
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote:
i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I
think the inaccuracies will
Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
even SteveC isn't accepted as dictator. how would anyone listen to my
dictatorship
Dave was probably reacting to the wording. The phrase is often used when
making a promise or threat, as in That's just not happening while I'm
in charge.
I interpreted the
no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import.
I am.
tiger import was great from technical
point of view but didn't allow to build a community from scratch.
I didn't want to build anything from scratch. I'm simply not that
motivated to go out and wander everywhere mapping
So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing
someone else's code:
http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py
and I now have made some .osm files with Karlruhe Scheme addressing
ways. I'm not going to post them publicly. I did
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...?
Yours c.
Steve
On Nov 13, 2009, at 4:57 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
So, just like the original TIGER import, I'm now grossly stealing
someone else's code:
On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 17:14 -0700, SteveC wrote:
Can I have SF county, CA please and Arapahoe County, CO...?
http://daveh.dev.openstreetmap.org/secret/stevec-345/
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Hi Dave,
can you provide SC (Santa Clara County) California?
btw any ideas how the break it into smaller pieces? I definitely don't
want to upload a whole county at once and deal with the big mess
afterwards.
As I understand it address ways don't connect to other ways so it
shouldn't be
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
And hopefully in some
Anthony writes:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote:
We'll work on making sure that these data look good and I think some
people have some plans on how to get these integrated a bit at a time.
On 11/13/09 10:43 PM, Dave Hansen wrote:
O
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the
most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of
OSM itself.
It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have
some more constructive
Dave
I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for two
things.
In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on
north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just search
for all the ways that make up the addressing on
On Nov 13, 2009, at 11:11 PM, SteveC wrote:
Dave
I've looked at the two you sent me and they're both basically fine but for
two things.
In Denver the houses are all set back a lot further, so some way to say 'on
north-south roads, set back X feet' might help a lot. Or, in JOSM just
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the
most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of
OSM itself.
It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you
have
some more constructive information about places where you've
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in
from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't
been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the
TIGER import was
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote:
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the
inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from
scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to
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