Re: Jaws for Windows
I imagine that they have been trying to find somebody with your area of expertise and have been failing to do so. Of course attitude and initiative are like gold, but they also have a need to fill and you may, to use an American saying, be the man. Sorry I don't have anything else brilliant to impart, but this is kind of a test message as well as being a comment. Martin Chris Moore writes: Gordon, I just wanted to say good luck with today. You have a great deal of knowledge and expertise to offer. Let me know how you get on. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws for Windows
Hi Martin Krystal Nothing is yet confirmed, the admin people are taking advantage of the summer holidays. :) I have the Jaws dongle but I'm having problems getting hold of the demo file. Thanks for the positive comments from both. I'll update you as things change. Gordon On 3 Aug 2012, at 11:39, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: I imagine that they have been trying to find somebody with your area of expertise and have been failing to do so. Of course attitude and initiative are like gold, but they also have a need to fill and you may, to use an American saying, be the man. Sorry I don't have anything else brilliant to impart, but this is kind of a test message as well as being a comment. Martin Chris Moore writes: Gordon, I just wanted to say good luck with today. You have a great deal of knowledge and expertise to offer. Let me know how you get on. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
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Hi Chris Thanks for your kind message. I will be sure to let you know how things go. I'm hoping that they may even bring the dongle over with them this afternoon. Gordon On 2 Aug 2012, at 08:13, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I just wanted to say good luck with today. You have a great deal of knowledge and expertise to offer. Let me know how you get on. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws for Windows
Hi Chris My understanding is that I'm going to be given a dongle so that I can use Jaws and learn how it all works. I'm just starting to do a bit of reading. I don't really want to install any version I download just yet because I'm not sure whether it's necessary. I.e., whether Jaws is supplied on the thumb drive or whether that's just used to validate the license when it loads. Yes, I know that Jaws and Office do work well. To be absolutely fair, so does Window-Eyes work well with Office. I haven't tried PowerPoint or Excel because I've never had need of them. But that might change if I get this job and that is my primary motivation for going the Jaws route. As for not being as productive on the Mac, I'll reserve judgement on that. It's definitely true that there are some areas of Pages which are lacking as far as the VoiceOver user is concerned. Again though, I do acknowledge fully that Freedom Scientific has done a very good job of its Office accessibility implementation. I've never actually used it as I've said, but I have heard demos of it and there are aspects of Office which I never managed to use fully with Window-Eyes, but they work fine with Jaws. After they resold my serial number and SMA to a customer and refused to acknowledge my loss even though my details were tied to the serial number they resold, I kind of went away from Jaws and never bothered to keep up to date with it. But now, well, my needs are different. I am hoping that I can get a job in a local school, and I've also put in for one at a college, as they are shortly going to be advertising exactly the same job. Also, the school where I went a couple of weeks ago are keen to employ me because of my technical skills and knowledge. That isn't me being big-headed or anything, it's what they said to me. But to get back to the point, they currently use Jaws on all of their Windows machines so I need to learn how to use it so that I can hit the ground running. Gordon On 31 Jul 2012, at 08:57, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, It all depends where you intend to use JAWS. If you are a simple end user and only require the CD to install on one machine, then you can go down that route and activate your CD key via the Internet. Enterprise environments prefer to go down the dongle route which means you can then use the dongle on any machine and not worry about installing certificates etc. I think it is very old hat too, but there you go. I live in fear of losing my JAWS dongle. Love it or hate it, you can't argue how well JAWS and Office work together. I really wish I could be as productive in an Office way on my Mac. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 05:29, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Mike Sorry I'm a bit confused here. Yes, naturally I plan to review the basic documentation. I take it that's what you're suggesting? To tell you the honest truth it goes against the grain for me to start reading manuals, but on this occasion I may have no option. Jaws is a strange beast to me, but it's one I have to master, like it or not. Actually though I do have another question. I thought that Freedom had moved away fro the use of dongles. But my assistant is telling me that they are going to arrange to get me a dongle to license Jaws. Is that still used as a method of copy protection? I thought it was now all Internet activation? Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:07, mike mmstopk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ben a jfw user sense I was 3 the uses guide is a good place to start and any questions you have I should be ablt to help you with. -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:30 PM To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! Subject: Jaws for Windows Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the learning curve? Jaws goes a little bit against the grain with me, but the fact is it is still the market leader in education. establishments. Anyway, any starter tips appreciated. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at:
Re: Jaws for Windows
Gordon, You will be fine, it is fairly easy to pick up. you are fine to download the latest version to play with in demo mode. The dongle is only used for validation purposes and does not include a copy of the software on the drive (at least mine does not). It might be useful to check which version of JAWS your potential employer is currently using. For example I use JAWS 12 which is not the latest and my dongle only allows me to use JAWS 12. so when I installed JAWS on my mac, I downloaded the exact same version so the dongle would work on that too. The other reason why it is useful to know is because features and the way the settings are different in older versions. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 09:19, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris My understanding is that I'm going to be given a dongle so that I can use Jaws and learn how it all works. I'm just starting to do a bit of reading. I don't really want to install any version I download just yet because I'm not sure whether it's necessary. I.e., whether Jaws is supplied on the thumb drive or whether that's just used to validate the license when it loads. Yes, I know that Jaws and Office do work well. To be absolutely fair, so does Window-Eyes work well with Office. I haven't tried PowerPoint or Excel because I've never had need of them. But that might change if I get this job and that is my primary motivation for going the Jaws route. As for not being as productive on the Mac, I'll reserve judgement on that. It's definitely true that there are some areas of Pages which are lacking as far as the VoiceOver user is concerned. Again though, I do acknowledge fully that Freedom Scientific has done a very good job of its Office accessibility implementation. I've never actually used it as I've said, but I have heard demos of it and there are aspects of Office which I never managed to use fully with Window-Eyes, but they work fine with Jaws. After they resold my serial number and SMA to a customer and refused to acknowledge my loss even though my details were tied to the serial number they resold, I kind of went away from Jaws and never bothered to keep up to date with it. But now, well, my needs are different. I am hoping that I can get a job in a local school, and I've also put in for one at a college, as they are shortly going to be advertising exactly the same job. Also, the school where I went a couple of weeks ago are keen to employ me because of my technical skills and knowledge. That isn't me being big-headed or anything, it's what they said to me. But to get back to the point, they currently use Jaws on all of their Windows machines so I need to learn how to use it so that I can hit the ground running. Gordon On 31 Jul 2012, at 08:57, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, It all depends where you intend to use JAWS. If you are a simple end user and only require the CD to install on one machine, then you can go down that route and activate your CD key via the Internet. Enterprise environments prefer to go down the dongle route which means you can then use the dongle on any machine and not worry about installing certificates etc. I think it is very old hat too, but there you go. I live in fear of losing my JAWS dongle. Love it or hate it, you can't argue how well JAWS and Office work together. I really wish I could be as productive in an Office way on my Mac. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 05:29, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Mike Sorry I'm a bit confused here. Yes, naturally I plan to review the basic documentation. I take it that's what you're suggesting? To tell you the honest truth it goes against the grain for me to start reading manuals, but on this occasion I may have no option. Jaws is a strange beast to me, but it's one I have to master, like it or not. Actually though I do have another question. I thought that Freedom had moved away fro the use of dongles. But my assistant is telling me that they are going to arrange to get me a dongle to license Jaws. Is that still used as a method of copy protection? I thought it was now all Internet activation? Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:07, mike mmstopk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ben a jfw user sense I was 3 the uses guide is a good place to start and any questions you have I should be ablt to help you with. -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:30 PM To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! Subject: Jaws for Windows Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the
Re: Jaws for Windows
Hi Chris That's a very good point. I'll make sure to ask them when they come over on Thursday. What's happening is that I now have contacts with local council groups who I never even knew existed. There's a group here called Action For Blind People, and another group called Steps. Their aim is to help people get back into employment or voluntary work which may be a prelude to employment. Steps is the organisation supporting me, and I am fortunate because the bloke who I first dealt with about 18 months ago has now been promoted to Service Development Manager. Ordinarily he doesn't do support directly any more, but he's taking my case on as he dealt with me in the past. He's proving to be an invaluable help. Anyway, between them they are organising a few things for me. One of which is a Jaws dongle so that I can use the software and get to know it better. The idea being that when I start the job, or whatever job I end up getting, I hit the ground running. They are very c onfident that I will get the job, as the preliminary interview went much much better than any of us expected it too and they have actually told us that they are keen to employ me. Sorry for the waffle, but I'm keen to get this started and I want to learn to use Jaws along with other things in Windows again. Gordon On 31 Jul 2012, at 10:12, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You will be fine, it is fairly easy to pick up. you are fine to download the latest version to play with in demo mode. The dongle is only used for validation purposes and does not include a copy of the software on the drive (at least mine does not). It might be useful to check which version of JAWS your potential employer is currently using. For example I use JAWS 12 which is not the latest and my dongle only allows me to use JAWS 12. so when I installed JAWS on my mac, I downloaded the exact same version so the dongle would work on that too. The other reason why it is useful to know is because features and the way the settings are different in older versions. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 09:19, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris My understanding is that I'm going to be given a dongle so that I can use Jaws and learn how it all works. I'm just starting to do a bit of reading. I don't really want to install any version I download just yet because I'm not sure whether it's necessary. I.e., whether Jaws is supplied on the thumb drive or whether that's just used to validate the license when it loads. Yes, I know that Jaws and Office do work well. To be absolutely fair, so does Window-Eyes work well with Office. I haven't tried PowerPoint or Excel because I've never had need of them. But that might change if I get this job and that is my primary motivation for going the Jaws route. As for not being as productive on the Mac, I'll reserve judgement on that. It's definitely true that there are some areas of Pages which are lacking as far as the VoiceOver user is concerned. Again though, I do acknowledge fully that Freedom Scientific has done a very good job of its Office accessibility implementation. I've never actually used it as I've said, but I have heard demos of it and there are aspects of Office which I never managed to use fully with Window-Eyes, but they work fine with Jaws. After they resold my serial number and SMA to a customer and refused to acknowledge my loss even though my details were tied to the serial number they resold, I kind of went away from Jaws and never bothered to keep up to date with it. But now, well, my needs are different. I am hoping that I can get a job in a local school, and I've also put in for one at a college, as they are shortly going to be advertising exactly the same job. Also, the school where I went a couple of weeks ago are keen to employ me because of my technical skills and knowledge. That isn't me being big-headed or anything, it's what they said to me. But to get back to the point, they currently use Jaws on all of their Windows machines so I need to learn how to use it so that I can hit the ground running. Gordon On 31 Jul 2012, at 08:57, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, It all depends where you intend to use JAWS. If you are a simple end user and only require the CD to install on one machine, then you can go down that route and activate your CD key via the Internet. Enterprise environments prefer to go down the dongle route which means you can then use the dongle on any machine and not worry about installing certificates etc. I think it is very old hat too, but there you go. I live in fear of losing my JAWS dongle. Love it or hate it, you can't argue how well JAWS and Office work together. I really wish I could be as productive in an Office way on my Mac. Chris On 31 Jul 2012, at 05:29, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net
RE: Jaws for Windows
When you install JAWS, there are DAISY training topics you can install with it. I would choose the ones you want and go from there. Quoting mike mmstopk...@gmail.com: Hi, Ben a jfw user sense I was 3 the uses guide is a good place to start and any questions you have I should be ablt to help you with. -Original Message- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
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Yah, what Chris says. smile. If I had just read that, i would not have wasted the cybarspace with the last couple emails. Duh! Mary Quoting Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk: Gordon, JAWS comes with some very good tutorials in daisy format which you can access from the Help menu. Failing that, if you just want something quick to read to get you started then try: http://www.freedomscientific.com/training/Surfs-Up/_Surfs_Up_Start_Here.htm Chris === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
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That's an interesting suggestion. Anybody know what it costs and where to get started? It would certainly be a help to me because I'm likely going to be working towards a base level teaching qualification in the coming months. Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 18:49, william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com wrote: how about you do the cirtification program from FS? you read all the help, do the basic training etc. then u r personally qualified On 30 Jul 2012, at 18:30, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the learning curve? Jaws goes a little bit against the grain with me, but the fact is it is still the market leader in education. establishments. Anyway, any starter tips appreciated. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws for Windows
Hi Mike Sorry I'm a bit confused here. Yes, naturally I plan to review the basic documentation. I take it that's what you're suggesting? To tell you the honest truth it goes against the grain for me to start reading manuals, but on this occasion I may have no option. Jaws is a strange beast to me, but it's one I have to master, like it or not. Actually though I do have another question. I thought that Freedom had moved away fro the use of dongles. But my assistant is telling me that they are going to arrange to get me a dongle to license Jaws. Is that still used as a method of copy protection? I thought it was now all Internet activation? Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:07, mike mmstopk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Ben a jfw user sense I was 3 the uses guide is a good place to start and any questions you have I should be ablt to help you with. -Original Message- From: techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net [mailto:techno-chat-boun...@techno-chat.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 12:30 PM To: Techno-Chat ... Technology Enthusiasm! Subject: Jaws for Windows Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the learning curve? Jaws goes a little bit against the grain with me, but the fact is it is still the market leader in education. establishments. Anyway, any starter tips appreciated. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
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Hi Chris Thanks very much for this. I think both options will be useful. Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:24, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, JAWS comes with some very good tutorials in daisy format which you can access from the Help menu. Failing that, if you just want something quick to read to get you started then try: http://www.freedomscientific.com/training/Surfs-Up/_Surfs_Up_Start_Here.htm Chris On 30 Jul 2012, at 18:30, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the learning curve? Jaws goes a little bit against the grain with me, but the fact is it is still the market leader in education. establishments. Anyway, any starter tips appreciated. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws for Windows
Hi Mary I'm open to all options at the moment but I think I'll be bugging you a bit off list in the coming days and weeks, I hope you don't mind! :) Seriously, I always find your advice and help very beneficial so I will take you up on that offer when the time is right. I also plan to go and download the licensed version if it's available online. I tried installing the demo on my notebook but found the restrictions pretty horrific. So I removed it and yesterday got the very pleasant surprise that my support assistant is going to arrange for me to get a licensed copy of JFW. They really are keen on employing me it seems. Gordon On 30 Jul 2012, at 20:23, Mary Stores msto...@indiana.edu wrote: The JAWS certification process is quite rigorous. they even want you to know the stuff on the web site and JAWS Headquarterrs pages and will quiz you over it. For a beginner, I would just look up the stuff you want to know in help, or you can write me offline, Gordon, and ask. Mary Quoting william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com: how about you do the cirtification program from FS? you read all the help, do the basic training etc. then u r personally qualified On 30 Jul 2012, at 18:30, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all OK, so now my possible future career in the educational IT field requires me to have a working knowledge of Jaws. Arrangements ares being made for me to have a working copy of Jaws. Anybody got any tips as to where to start on the learning curve? Jaws goes a little bit against the grain with me, but the fact is it is still the market leader in education. establishments. Anyway, any starter tips appreciated. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml --- === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws For Windows
Hiya Miss Contrary! :) Let me take this PBP, allah Lynne: On 3 Jan 2012, at 16:51, Mary Stores wrote: Glad to see you posting again. It's still very sporadic, but I'm trying. I haven't tested Mocrosoft Office anything with WE, but can say that I've used Outlook 2010, word 2010 and have read one PowerPoint so far using JAWS 13. I have not yet tried out the OCR feature. I guess I haven't needed it. I have not run into any problems. Thank you for that, it's helpful. I'm hoping that I might be able to wangle a license for JFW from a local organisation as I'm hoping to land a teaching position. I have noticed that jAWS crashes IE9 a lot when on web sites using ARIA markup. WE seems to not support ARIA markup very well still at all. Can you point me to such a website please? It could be helpful for testing elsewhere as well. Yes, it's still a delership racket, I am sorry to say. I, too, am very sorry to hear that. The dealership here in the UK is usually alright for selling other products such as the Index Braille embossers but I'd still have to think long and hard before I bought JFW from them again. Unfortunately, FS says get a loan if you need to. Blah! That's disgusting! I fully understand that development and production cost money. But I honestly think that attitude stinks. Oh, and please, please don't get my other half talking about that because you'd never hear the end of it. She is a fierce socialist. :) Well, JAWS has had auto forms mode for quite a while now. Whenever it encounters a form element, if auto forms mode is turned on (which it is by default) you won't have to keep reactivating it. I hope you can find that helpful. Yes, I have heard that and it's a good thing. I must start learning to use the thing problem and pretty quickly. I also believe that Duxbury works well with JFW too, I see that there are scripts for it. Thank you Mary for your very helpful response. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws For Windows
Actually, the three web sites I've been to recently have all been sites where people used ARIA markup, and they wanted us to test them. I just realized that. So I cannot give you a link to them yet. I am sorry. It just seems there are a lot of them out there, but apparently only ones I visit. hahaha Quoting Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net: Can you point me to such a website please? It could be helpful for testing elsewhere as well. === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws For Windows
Hi Gordon Glad to see you posting again. You asked: 1. What's the latest version of Microsoft Office and where do we stand, please, in terms of accessibility with the aforementioned screen-readers, plus GW Micro's Window-Eyes? I haven't tested Mocrosoft Office anything with WE, but can say that I've used Outlook 2010, word 2010 and have read one PowerPoint so far using JAWS 13. I have not yet tried out the OCR feature. I guess I haven't needed it. I have not run into any problems. I have noticed that jAWS crashes IE9 a lot when on web sites using ARIA markup. WE seems to not support ARIA markup very well still at all. 2. Does Freedom Scientific sell online to overseas customers, or is it one of those dealership rackets still, as it was when I got my fingers severely burned with them in 2000 when they re-sold my serial number to another customer and also my SMA, and they flatly refused to honour it with a different S/N and SMA. Yes, it's still a delership racket, I am sorry to say. 3. On the assumption that Freedom Scientific does indeed sell internationally online, do they operate any kind of monthly Lease To Own programme, similar to that which GW Micro offers? Currently my outright budget wouldn't stretch to the £1200 USD which Freedom seem to be asking for JFW Professional and that doesn't even cover remote access; shocking. Unfortunately, FS says get a loan if you need to. Blah! Having spent most of the morning playing around with various aspects of Windows 7 Ultimate Sp1 and Window-Eyes, I'm sorry to have to say that I'm distinctly unimpressed with GW's latest offering. Having become somewhat accustomed to the lack of a Browse Mode, I find it irksome to say the least when I have to keep continually pressing enter on edit boxes etc. before I can insert or modify data, and then having to re-enable browse mode to find out what a consecutive edit box's data should be. Pressing tab when outside of browse mode now yields only Edit, and not the content descriptor field any longer. Well, JAWS has had auto forms mode for quite a while now. Whenever it encounters a form element, if auto forms mode is turned on (which it is by default) you won't have to keep reactivating it. I hope you can find that helpful. Take care, Mary === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net you may also subscribe to this list via RSS. The feed is at: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net/maillist.xml ---
Re: Jaws For Windows
to answer your question FS is still dealer based and they do not offer any payment plans on anything so I recall. Sorry to be the barer of bad news. I hope someone can be the bareer of good news. lol! On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all This is my first E-Mail to anybody for a very long time, so I must say it's good to be back. In the hope of securing a teaching position in the not too distant future, it looks like I'm going to have to start learning the ins and outs of Jaws for Windows, as well as refreshing myself in the use of Microsoft Office application, especially Word. Lynne downloaded JFW13 a few days ago, along with NVDA211, but we haven't had the opportunity to try them out as yet. So, to my questions. 1. What's the latest version of Microsoft Office and where do we stand, please, in terms of accessibility with the aforementioned screen-readers, plus GW Micro's Window-Eyes? 2. Does Freedom Scientific sell online to overseas customers, or is it one of those dealership rackets still, as it was when I got my fingers severely burned with them in 2000 when they re-sold my serial number to another customer and also my SMA, and they flatly refused to honour it with a different S/N and SMA. 3. On the assumption that Freedom Scientific does indeed sell internationally online, do they operate any kind of monthly Lease To Own programme, similar to that which GW Micro offers? Currently my outright budget wouldn't stretch to the £1200 USD which Freedom seem to be asking for JFW Professional and that doesn't even cover remote access; shocking. Having spent most of the morning playing around with various aspects of Windows 7 Ultimate Sp1 and Window-Eyes, I'm sorry to have to say that I'm distinctly unimpressed with GW's latest offering. Having become somewhat accustomed to the lack of a Browse Mode, I find it irksome to say the least when I have to keep continually pressing enter on edit boxes etc. before I can insert or modify data, and then having to re-enable browse mode to find out what a consecutive edit box's data should be. Pressing tab when outside of browse mode now yields only Edit, and not the content descriptor field any longer. I also find Window-Eyes 7.5.2 unacceptably slow at times when it's loading web content. Indeed, sometimes I fid that it doesn't even finish loading at all, and I have to turn browse ode of and back on again to make it work. Actually that's a bug which has been around forever, but it's much much worse now. Many times I also see problems after entering my password in the log-on window when loading Window-Eyes. Windows itself contuse down the log-on chain at normal speed but the Window-Eyes task often freezes or responds very very slowly. Thus, it takes often up to five minutes to gain access to the desktop and even then I sometimes get Not Responding notices regarding the Window-Eyes main executable, or one of the dynamic libraries upon which it relies. I'm also finding GW Micro's so-called Industry-Leading technical support extremely poor. Often, they don't even respond at all and when they do, they don't usually provide adequate responses to questions. I have seen opinion expressed in a couple of places on the Internet that Window-Eyes's overall quality has been severely depleted since the so-called innovative and, again, industry-standard scripting mechanism was incorporated into the application. I share that opinion! Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 7.0 is not compatible with 64-bit operating systems, and were it not for the fact that it won't run under Windows 7 at all, I would seriously consider reverting. As it is. I'm going to have to really turn full circle, have a serous look at JFW and NVDA, and perhaps also System Access as well. I am aware that there has been some discussion pertaining to screen-readers on list recently, sponsored initially as I understand it by my wife. I have read through the ensuing thread and found some of the comment very interesting. However, the angle I am hoping to discuss is more a practical one, rather than a financial debate. I'm going to try JFW because for one thing, I just cannot figure out how you configure NVDA for Braille output; which I need. Any comment welcome, and did I say it earlier? It's great to be back, finally. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated web pages located at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/techno-chat You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Techno-Chat group at either of the following websites: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/techno-chat/index.html Or: http://www.mail-archive.com/techno-chat@techno-chat.net
Re: Jaws For Windows
But microsoft office 2010 is fully accessible, I am using all products that fit my needs with very little problem. Those programs are outllook, word, and zcell. I don't have any plans of ever needing power point, but heard it gets the job done also. HTH On Jan 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: to answer your question FS is still dealer based and they do not offer any payment plans on anything so I recall. Sorry to be the barer of bad news. I hope someone can be the bareer of good news. lol! On Jan 2, 2012, at 6:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi all This is my first E-Mail to anybody for a very long time, so I must say it's good to be back. In the hope of securing a teaching position in the not too distant future, it looks like I'm going to have to start learning the ins and outs of Jaws for Windows, as well as refreshing myself in the use of Microsoft Office application, especially Word. Lynne downloaded JFW13 a few days ago, along with NVDA211, but we haven't had the opportunity to try them out as yet. So, to my questions. 1. What's the latest version of Microsoft Office and where do we stand, please, in terms of accessibility with the aforementioned screen-readers, plus GW Micro's Window-Eyes? 2. Does Freedom Scientific sell online to overseas customers, or is it one of those dealership rackets still, as it was when I got my fingers severely burned with them in 2000 when they re-sold my serial number to another customer and also my SMA, and they flatly refused to honour it with a different S/N and SMA. 3. On the assumption that Freedom Scientific does indeed sell internationally online, do they operate any kind of monthly Lease To Own programme, similar to that which GW Micro offers? Currently my outright budget wouldn't stretch to the £1200 USD which Freedom seem to be asking for JFW Professional and that doesn't even cover remote access; shocking. Having spent most of the morning playing around with various aspects of Windows 7 Ultimate Sp1 and Window-Eyes, I'm sorry to have to say that I'm distinctly unimpressed with GW's latest offering. Having become somewhat accustomed to the lack of a Browse Mode, I find it irksome to say the least when I have to keep continually pressing enter on edit boxes etc. before I can insert or modify data, and then having to re-enable browse mode to find out what a consecutive edit box's data should be. Pressing tab when outside of browse mode now yields only Edit, and not the content descriptor field any longer. I also find Window-Eyes 7.5.2 unacceptably slow at times when it's loading web content. Indeed, sometimes I fid that it doesn't even finish loading at all, and I have to turn browse ode of and back on again to make it work. Actually that's a bug which has been around forever, but it's much much worse now. Many times I also see problems after entering my password in the log-on window when loading Window-Eyes. Windows itself contuse down the log-on chain at normal speed but the Window-Eyes task often freezes or responds very very slowly. Thus, it takes often up to five minutes to gain access to the desktop and even then I sometimes get Not Responding notices regarding the Window-Eyes main executable, or one of the dynamic libraries upon which it relies. I'm also finding GW Micro's so-called Industry-Leading technical support extremely poor. Often, they don't even respond at all and when they do, they don't usually provide adequate responses to questions. I have seen opinion expressed in a couple of places on the Internet that Window-Eyes's overall quality has been severely depleted since the so-called innovative and, again, industry-standard scripting mechanism was incorporated into the application. I share that opinion! Were it not for the fact that Window-Eyes 7.0 is not compatible with 64-bit operating systems, and were it not for the fact that it won't run under Windows 7 at all, I would seriously consider reverting. As it is. I'm going to have to really turn full circle, have a serous look at JFW and NVDA, and perhaps also System Access as well. I am aware that there has been some discussion pertaining to screen-readers on list recently, sponsored initially as I understand it by my wife. I have read through the ensuing thread and found some of the comment very interesting. However, the angle I am hoping to discuss is more a practical one, rather than a financial debate. I'm going to try JFW because for one thing, I just cannot figure out how you configure NVDA for Braille output; which I need. Any comment welcome, and did I say it earlier? It's great to be back, finally. Gordon === The Techno-Chat E-Mail forum is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free To modify your subscription options, please visit for forum's dedicated
