Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread WarrenS
Thanks Don For all the nuts that want the analysis with math and fancy papers on how (or why) the TPLL works. They will find the whole thing on one line on page 4-21 of that paper. (page 110) That's about it and all that is needed, if one also understands how to do integration by oversampling

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 8f43d37e769b4caab3309830e40dd...@warcon28gz, WarrenS writes: That is really all there is to it, if one starts with Frequency differences, like the TPLL, and not Phase, like most other methods, to get the raw data to use with an ADEV program like PLOTTER. While it is absolutely true

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Robert Benward
So now we, those that want a little more than faith, are nuts. Some day when you learn how to speak to people with respect, you too may get some respect of your own. Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not know the difference. Never wrestle with a pig, you will only get dirty, and the pig

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Ed, k1ggi
Careful, I would never renounce my nuttiness, lest something awful happen to me list-wise :) Ed -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Robert Benward Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:36 PM To: Discussion of precise time and

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread WarrenS
Poul-Henning posted: While it is absolutely true that you can calculate ADEV from frequency measurements, No disagreement there, you have a very tough row to hoe when it comes to proving that your frequency samples represent the same signal as a sequence of zero deadtime period measurements

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 0c4f750835264e13ab61d4b8c8448...@warcon28gz, WarrenS writes: you have a very tough row to hoe when it comes to proving that your frequency samples represent the same signal as a sequence of zero deadtime period measurements would do. Sorry, I though that was obvious. Yes, you

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread WarrenS
Poul-Henning posted Yes, you probably did. (Think it was obvious) TRUE, it is obvious to me, but then I've had the advantage of being able to test the TPLL to find the answers to things that I did not understand at first. So is there some part that is not obvious to you? Maybe someone

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Robert Benward
After reading the content in some of your private emails to me, and hearing you call others derogatory names, it is obvious you tend speak to others with disdain and disrespect. I'm not convinced you were refering to us as in an endearing manner. Bob - Original Message - From:

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 415e11efec7b46ffb05a790f4f4a4...@warcon28gz, WarrenS writes: Poul-Henning posted So is there some part that is not obvious to you? Yes, it is painfully obvious to me, that you are so in love with your idea, that no argument will ever penetrate your defensive shield. Please look up

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
On 23 June 2010 04:36, Robert Benward rbenw...@verizon.net wrote: So now we, those that want a little more than faith, are nuts.  Some day when you learn how to speak to people with respect, you too may get some respect of your own. You have subscribed to a Yahoo group called time-nuts so I

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
On 23 June 2010 03:29, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 8f43d37e769b4caab3309830e40dd...@warcon28gz, WarrenS writes: That is really all there is to it, if one starts with Frequency differences, like the TPLL, and not Phase, like most other methods, to get the raw data to

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
Poul, On 23 June 2010 06:55, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message 0c4f750835264e13ab61d4b8c8448...@warcon28gz, WarrenS writes: you have a very tough row to hoe when it comes to proving that your frequency samples represent the same signal as a sequence of zero deadtime

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
Poul, I can see that you are somewhat frustrated with all of this but let's please try to understand what is going on with the design and not get bogged down with interpersonal issues. On 23 June 2010 09:35, Poul-Henning Kamp p...@phk.freebsd.dk wrote: In message

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread Robert Benward
Steve, It is admirable that you stick up for Warren. Part of Warren's problem is his disrespect for some of the other commenters of his work. The name calling and put downs just does not endear him to anyone. Saying to someone that they made a dumb mistake, and if they can't see the obvious

Re: [time-nuts] crystal oscillators TPLL

2010-06-22 Thread John Allen
Um, This group/list/reflector is NOT related to Yahoo, but is hosted on febo.com thanks to John Ackerman, N8UR. Thanks, John John Allen K1AE -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rooke Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:19

[time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU
At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C. It is marked TTL internally. It has the passive connector board, but not the active board with the 15 MHz synthesizer on it. Mine is marked TTL internally. The service manual has a chart showing the differences

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread David Smith
Leigh, I have the same FRS-C TTL unit. I do not have a manual. Would you be so kind as to send the conversation info to me? Thanks, Dave W6TE - Original Message - From: Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNUmailto:le...@wa5znu.org To: time nutsmailto:time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, June

Re: [time-nuts] FRS-C TTL / sine outboard filter question

2010-06-22 Thread Steve Rooke
What load do you have it running into? It maybe that you need to load it into 50 ohms. Steve On 23 June 2010 16:54, Leigh L. Klotz, Jr WA5ZNU le...@wa5znu.org wrote: At the local flea market, I picked up what appears to be an Efratom FRS-C.  It is marked TTL internally.  It has the passive