Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-18 Thread michael sylvester
From what I have read the monasteries were the centers of learning in the Middle ages.I am surprised that Mendel has not been mentioned.He was an Augustian monk. Btw,what we mean by religious may have a different meaning at hat time.If I recall my philosophy,either Leibnitz or Spinoza came up

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-18 Thread Louis E. Schmier
I'm not sure Glieck's short book is the final say. Make it a good day -Louis- Louis Schmier http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org Department of Historyhttp://www.therandomthoughts.com Valdosta State University Valdosta,

Re:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Allen Esterson
On 16 September Mike Smith wrote: …the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. Leaving aside that Darwin was hardly among the first scientists, it is erroneous to state he was religious. On the contrary, he had ceased to believe

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread John Kulig
(TIPS) tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 4:37:16 AM Subject: Re:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong? On 16 September Mike Smith wrote: …the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. Leaving aside that Darwin was hardly

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Dr. Bob Wildblood
John Kulig wrote: But in general, Christian religions have not been exactly at the forefront of science. Though the Catholic church is ultimately accepting of scientific advances - sooner or later - example being the acceptance of Darwinian theory as established science and more than just a

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread John Kulig
Plymouth State University Plymouth NH 03264 == - Original Message - From: Dr. Bob Wildblood drb...@rcn.com To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 7:22:57 AM Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong

RE:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Mike Palij
On Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:02:51 -0500, Michael Smith wrote: Well, I didn't mean anything very deep. Just that the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. They saw (like Aquinus) that an orderly, rational, lawful universe was

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Louis E. Schmier
As an historian, I'll attest that Michael Smith is right. Some of you are showing your anti-religion bias. Newton, for example, felt that his greatest work was not the Mathamatica Principia, but his commentary on the Bible. So, if you think Michael's explanation is shallow, for starters, I

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread michael sylvester
Was Thomas Aquinas deistic or christian? Didn't he write a PRNCIPA? Michael --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5n=Tl=tipso=4931 or send a blank email to

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Louis E. Schmier
There is no such term as deistic in the Middle Ages. That belief is one of many outgrowth of the Reformation. Aquinaes, Dominican, was as Christian as they come. In a shallow explanation, he felt that to merely say, I believe wasn't a sufficient argument against the Islamic Moors,

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Marc Carter
9:26 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? As an historian, I'll attest that Michael Smith is right. Some of you are showing your anti-religion bias. Newton, for example, felt that his greatest work was not the Mathamatica Principia

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Allen Esterson
Department Southwark College, London allenester...@compuserve.com http://www.esterson.org - RE:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Mike Palij Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:31:30 -0700 On Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 20:02:51 -0500, Michael Smith wrote: Well, I didn't mean anything very

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Paul Brandon
a theologian. From: Louis E. Schmier [mailto:lschm...@valdosta.edu] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? As an historian, I'll attest that Michael Smith is right. Some of you are showing

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread don allen
paul.bran...@mnsu.edu Date: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:51 am Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu An interesting point made by Gleick: When Newton said 'I do not make an hypothesis' )or something to that effect

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-17 Thread Michael Smith
Well...there's way too much there to comment on. But a couple of comments anyway: Some thoughts about Marc Carter's post. Marc said that my original contention was that: thoughtful theologians were responsible for modern science, not that the collection of people who invented science were

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-16 Thread Jim Dougan
: Christopher D. Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.camailto:chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:49 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Just for the record, Aristarchus of Samos outlined a heliocentric model of the universe 1700 years

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-16 Thread John Kulig
Message- From: Christopher D. Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.camailto:chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:49 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Just for the record, Aristarchus of Samos outlined a heliocentric model

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Smith
[mailto:chri...@yorku.camailto:chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:49 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Just for the record, Aristarchus of Samos outlined a heliocentric model of the universe 1700 years before

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-16 Thread Marc Carter
: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:08 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? I'm thinking that the dark ages weren't so dark and science is a natural outgrowth of thoughtful Christian theology. So, without the dark ages and Christian theology

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-16 Thread Michael Smith
Well, I didn't mean anything very deep. Just that the first scientists were all very religious men. Bacon, Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, and Darwin for example. They saw (like Aquinus) that an orderly, rational, lawful universe was a reflection of those qualities of its creator. And studying nature

Re:[tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-15 Thread Allen Esterson
John Serafin wrote: Personal aside...ignore if not interested. My grandparents all emigrated from Poland to the US. They all ended up in an area just west of Detroit. My dad's parents lived on a street that happened to go by the name of Kopernik. As a kid, I had no idea the significance of that

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-15 Thread Marc Carter
) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original) is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically embedded in the medieval way of thinking which was to try to fit the available data into pre

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-15 Thread Christopher D. Green
To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original) is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically embedded in the medieval way of thinking which

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-15 Thread Christopher D. Green
Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Just for the record, Aristarchus of Samos outlined a heliocentric model of the universe 1700 years before Copernicus. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Paul Brandon
Sounds like the Church is reversing itself, not just standing motionless. Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato paul.bran...@mnsu.edu On Sep 14, 2010, at 1:04 PM, Christopher D. Green wrote: Creationism was only the beginning... :-(

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Jim Dougan
Seriously - this is a joke, right? At 01:04 PM 9/14/2010, you wrote: Creationism was only the beginning... :-( Announcement for Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right First Annual Catholic Conference on Geocentrism

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Paul C Bernhardt
Why stop at geocentrism? Why not go whole hog and become a Flat-earther? It seems so half-hearted to be a geocentrist. Paul C Bernhardt Frostburg State University Frostburg, MD, USA pcbernhardt[at]frostburg[d0t]edu On Sep 14, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Christopher D. Green wrote: Creationism

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Mike Palij
Note that the first author on the book that Marc Carter refers to is Robert Sungenis who is also the first speaker listed on the ad that Chris Green linked to. There is a Wikipedia entry on him (yada-yada) which provide some background information but does not seem to explain much; see:

RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Shearon, Tim
-Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 3:01 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Mike Palij Subject: RE: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Note that the first author on the book that Marc Carter refers to is Robert Sungenis who

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Serafin, John
Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing. If they're going to go off

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread John Kulig
: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Hey, wait a minute here. Why is that Italian, Galileo, getting credit (or blame, depending on your perspective) for all of this business about a heliocentric universe? I thought that my Polish ancestor, Copernicus, was the one responsible for all of this rabble-rousing

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread Serafin, John
@fsulist.frostburg.edu Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Yeah, I agree! (sort of, but ...) My understanding (haven't read the original) is that Copernicus (Latinized from the Polish name Kopernik) was theoretically embedded in the medieval way of thinking which was to try to fit the available data

Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong?

2010-09-14 Thread John Kulig
. - Original Message - From: John Serafin john.sera...@email.stvincent.edu To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:24:45 PM Subject: Re: [tips] Galileo Was Wrong? Ha! One of the things I have to love