I am probably past my quota but now I am getting offended. Clearly you took my
statement completely out of context and used it add more fuel to a fire which
did not need it. Your question is absurd if the entire context of this
discussion was in place.
Annette
Quoting Bill Scott [EMAIL
As a blanket statement without any context, I will say this: for many published
instruments there are reliability data available. In my experience when an IRB
asks for that kind of information, that is what they are asking for; if there
aren't any, then there aren't any, and a brief statement
I took your words out of context? In what context is the word abusing
meant in the following quote?
even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your participants if
you
are asking them to give up their time and energy on a useless task.
Certainly you do not mean abuse such as that
I may be too late to contribute anything helpful to this thread (I get
the digest version so I'm always a day behind or so).There is
obviously a concern about to what extent the IRB should be evaluating
the quality of the research, and intelligent people can have different
opinions on this.
I suspect that the operating assumption boils down to the notion that
even in minimal risk research there always some risk. Thus, if
there is a possibility that the instrument is flawed, why waste Ss' time
and expose them to any degree of risk?
Miguel
At 09:10 AM 5/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
Our
Not
that I necessarily agree with this particular IRB, butI think that it *is*
a cost-benefit matter. Indeed, this is an issue that I discuss with my Research
Methods students when we cover research ethics. The argument would be that if
the measures are lacking reliability and validity,
I've seen cases where this has happened. I agree that IRBs should not be in
the
business of evaluating research methods for minimal risk research. These IRBs
try to justify this micromanaging by appealing to the risk of wasting the
participant's time with a study that is unlikely to provide a
As chair of our IRB I have sometimes done the same thing, especially if the
measures send up a red flag somehow. If the measures are reliable and valid
then this is an extremely easy task. If they are not, then even in a minimum
risk study you are abusing your participants if you are asking
Ok. I see your points.
Allow me to expand: This project involves a student developed survey on music preference and simple correlations with demographic info. The focus of the IRB is on the reliability and validity of this instrument. I see little risk in asking someone their music
Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote:
As chair of our IRB I have sometimes done the same thing, especially
if the measures send up a red flag somehow. If the measures are
reliable and valid then this is an extremely easy task. If they are
not, then even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your
I have to disagree with Annette (and others) on this one (I almost
always agree with Annette :-) ).
I was the chair of the IRB where I taught before and now I serve on the
college wide IRB.
I think this is exactly an example on an IRB gone wild. I think this is
an example that contributes to
Yes, and now I see your point. I think that the student can respond to this
readily. First of all, obviously there are no reliabilty/validity 'data'. So
all the student has to note is that the instrument has face validity--can go
over the items individually if need be to satisfy the IRB and
We will have to disagree here completely. It is the job of the IRB to decide on
the quality of research if the quality shifts the balance of cost/benefit to
cost. Participants do give up theri time and energy and are not often
compensated. Most subject pools use a genteel form of coercion that
Annette Taylor, Ph. D. wrote:
We will have to disagree here completely. It is the job of the IRB to
decide on the quality of research if the quality shifts the balance of
cost/benefit to cost. Participants do give up theri time and energy
and are not often compensated. Most subject pools use a
On 6 May 2004 at 8:23, Annette Taylor wrote:
On Thu, 6 May 2004, jim clark wrote:
With respect
to the last point, it would be interesting to see if
participating in bad studies harms or helps students'
understanding of science.
Good study idea!
I agree, but getting that study
I'm stumped. How do you know if a new measurement is reliable or valid before actually testing it by collecting data from participants?
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I'm stumped. How do you know if a new measurement is reliable or valid
before actually testing it by collecting data from participants?
Lenore Frigo
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Or
alternatively, how do you knowthat an existing measure is going to produce
reliable/valid scores with
Annette Taylor wrote:
even in a minimum risk study you are abusing your participants if you
are asking them to give up their time and energy on a useless task.
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Does this mean an IRB should not approve a replication of Martin Orne's
classic demonstration of experimental demand
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