Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
Reading Acts 21 without taking into account Paul's message in I Co 9:19-23 and his letter to the Galatians is to misapply the actions of Acts 21 and to see "patterned authority" where none exists. Now that we have that straightened, you might give a shot at something substantive in response.

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
I can't read this without laughing, David. I'm going to bed. Jd-Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 17:09:09 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions JD wrote: Also, please note that the author gives

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Dave Hansen
Landmark Baptists believe they pre-date the Roman Catholic Church. DAVEH: Thank you for lending a little more insight, Perry. FWIW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_Baptist_Church .WIKI has a little to say about it that clarifies what I think Kevin has been implying. It

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
-Original Message-From: KnpraiseTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 02:38:03 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions -Original Message-From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 16:50:01

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/7/2005 4:25:04 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions cd: I see them as linked together in both spiritual and phyical- I agree that the swine was refering to gentiles-but

Re: [TruthTalk] 'Smithian' Glasses

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Who do you believe contrived the Trinity Doctrine as you understand it, Kevin? It was not contrived it is in the Holy Bible The church fathers taught it it expresses the True Nature of God.Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Constantine was the originator of the T Doctrine, then it would not

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
CONTEXT Dave read THE WHOLE PAGE! Context is very important. "The Young Woman's Journal", an LDS magazine of the 1890s. The article is dated "Feb 6, 1892". http://www.lds-mormon.com/moon.shtml http://www.press.uillinois.edu/epub/books/walker/02.html the Mormon church had its own official and

RE: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
So if two teenagers are having sexual relations, are they married in God's viewpoint? I think not if they have not made a lifetime commitment to each other before God. But if they have I think they are married in God's eyes. What if a single man and woman are the only inhabitants on a

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
Ok. I'm rested up and ready to give this a shot. Comments in bold.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 03:02:56 -0500Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions I can't read this without laughing,

RE: [TruthTalk]Billy T -- call me

2005-11-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
As usual, instead of responding to my comments like a Christian, you go for the jugular. You have proved my point. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:34 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re:

[TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELF A PROTESTANT PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS QUESTIONS AT YOU? While the fellowships I attend may have stemmed from the protestant

RE: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
I agree, Dean. But what if they made their vows before God but didn't have a traditional civil marriage ceremony? Does God still consider them to be married? I think so. I'm not advocating that in any way, but I DO think God recognizes the couple as married in HIS eyes--which is what really

[TruthTalk] To enlighten YOU

2005-11-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Here's a little story of politics economics to lighten your Tuesday morning, THE STUPIDITY OF GREEDSuppose that every night, 10 men go out for dinner at La Porchetta's.The bill for all 10 comes to $100.They decided to pay their bill the way we pay

Re: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-08 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: According to DM's viewpoint, the adulterous woman who divorced her husband for another is free, in God's opinion, of adultery whenever her first husband rightfully remarries someone else. This makes no sense whatsoever to me. Bingo! You got my point, but you missed the fact that

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
If Baptists did not exist in 1524 What is a Cardinal doing talking about them? Well I guess if quotes about a supposedly non existant group (baptists) is not enough, I do not know what would be ***SIGH***Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: Doesn't matter what you've found,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
DH says "just assuming that you are somehow connected?""From our perspective, our religious roots predate that time frame" Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please provide some quoutes or data to back up your assertions.DAVEH: Seems to me that you are the one who needs to show your roots,

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
can you nail down an exact time when it was authored? When the Apostles put their pen to "paper"Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was Constantine the originator of the T doctrine in your eyes?DAVEH: This may surprise you, Kevinbut, I do not see him as being the author of the TD. I view him

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
And I suppose the fact that the AMERICAN Baptists were founded in the US proves that Baptists did not exist in Europe too!Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAVEH: You tell me, Kevin. You claim to know the roots. I can only quote that which I've learned.that the First Southern Baptist

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread David Miller
JD wrote: You have not read Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon [on telos ] or you would have encountered my quotation with the 14th word of his definition Our editions are either not the same, or you have changed the wording in your quotation, John. I'm not going to get into this all over

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Maine is now Southern??? Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH: You tell me, Kevin. You claim to know the roots. I can only quote that which I've learned.that the First Southern Baptist Church. was founded in 1682 and originally organized in Kittery, Maine by the Rev.

[Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] silence]

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
In case you were wondering... Original Message Subject: Re: silence Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:01:32 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
Amen on this one. Jd-Original Message-From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:54 -0800Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a "protestant". Dave, If you are interested only in what

Re: [TruthTalk] Torah Jewish traditions

2005-11-08 Thread knpraise
Of course I do not want you to copy the whole book !!! Just two or three pages . By the way -- I remember the discussion. It concerned "gar" and its use in the biblical message -- especially Ro 5:12. You have Thayer actually saying something quite the opposite than what I have in Thanyer. You

RE: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] silence]

2005-11-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Yes, I was wondering how Judy is doing, and thank you for the update. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry CliftonSent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 12:48 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Fwd: Re: [TruthTalk] silence] In case you were

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
Anyone can steal a word. Consider the "Church of Jesus Christ" "Church of Christ" meant to imply they are the ONE! cath·o·lic (kãth'-lk, kãth'lk) adj. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: “The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found” (Scientific

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Terry Clifton
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, You and I see this very much the same way. I am a follower of Christ, a Christian. Anything beyond that is of minor importance. Terry If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE

RE: [TruthTalk] Understanding the law through the Spirit

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
cd: While I am hoping that I am not one of those people afraid to think outside the box. How can one be spiritual while breaking the law sent to help us be spiritual. How about righteousness-if breaking the law (ie.Commandments) has no effect on the spiritual. How can the unrighteous be

Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration versus condemnation-David Miller

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Well at least I am in a small but good company-I there were a show of hand on TT I believe you would be surprised who are believing Kevin. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/8/2005 1:41:45 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Restoration

Re: [TruthTalk]Billy T -- call me

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 11/8/2005 2:40:29 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]Billy T -- call me Can you spell "pucker" ordo you just do "pucker?" Next, you will be saying "you go girl." Cd: May God bless you and His light shine upon you

RE: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer?

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
[Original Message] From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/8/2005 9:33:33 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What counsel would you offer? I agree, Dean. But what if they made their vows before God but didn't have a traditional civil marriage ceremony?

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
cd: I notice Kevin offers proof -after proof for his statements and DaH just asks for more while providing nothing but empty words-Kevin are you a research tool for someone who doesn't regardthe material you give?If so- why do so? Let the dead bury the dead.Dah why are you here-To help us with

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Dean Moore
cd: Not I. [Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Date: 11/8/2005 9:30:54 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant. Dave, If you are interested only in what protestants think,

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Dave Hansen
If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. DAVEH: Why is that, Perry? Do you think Protestants should be excluded from TT? Or do you just think there are no Protestants here? Even if there were none, I would think that some TTers would have

Re: [TruthTalk] Perry Dave: inquiring minds want to know

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
cd: I notice Kevin offers proof -after proof for his statements and DaH just asks for more while providing nothing but empty words-Kevin are you a research tool for someone who doesn't regardthe material you give? Let Dave answer that: "DAVEH: Doesn't matter what you've found, Kevin"Dean Moore

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread ShieldsFamily
Include me out. iz -Original Message- If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELF A PROTESTANT PLEASE TELL DAVE SO HE CAN DIRECT HIS QUESTIONS AT YOU? -- Let your speech

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
The pickings are getting slim DH maybe JD is one.ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Include me out. iz-Original Message- If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum. WILL EVERYONE ON THE FORUM WHO CONSIDERS ONESELFA "PROTESTANT"

RE: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
I am not a Protestor or Protestant.Dean Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cd: Not I. [Original Message] From: Charles Perry Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Date: 11/8/2005 9:30:54 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon youare a

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant.

2005-11-08 Thread Kevin Deegan
DAVEH: Why is that, Perry? Because it seems that there are NO Protestants here! Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are interested only in what protestants think, then perhaps you are on the wrong forum.DAVEH: Why is that, Perry? Do you think Protestants should be excluded from TT? Or do

Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a prote

2005-11-08 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I believe I answered your questions already in my initial post. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dave thinks if you are not a catholic or mormon you are a protestant. Date: Tue, 08 Nov