Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: March 24, 2006 16:35 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism So you prefer that untruth be taught in schools. That's all that's left. Pathetic IMO. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
on Creationism Fortunately we comprehend the truth since we believe God’s Word. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:30 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
Depending, certainly, upon who stated it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Less is more

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
You didn’t answer the question. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:41 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Linda, I believe that de

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
And you accused Kevin of making smart-assed replies??? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:51 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Who wouldn't

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
] Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 8:13 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Public education was first offered as an alternaive to Christian education. jd -- Original message

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
him. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:01 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any o

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
chool aged child might need to learn I think. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:04 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Are you t

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:25 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Still no.- Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 2

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David you are like so right, man! familiaritycontempt...were those the words? Probably got it comin'. Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in schools (i.e. creationism) - Original Message - From

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Are you aware (seriously) that for a lengthy period people believed God's Word AND believe in a geocentric universe? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 16:36

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism The history of public education is a little more complicated than this. I think the more forceful argument was making education available to those who were not wealthy. The non-sectarian nature of it came in because

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread knpraise
Until him the Bible was the basic textbook. izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David MillerSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:56 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism The history of public education is a little m

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-24 Thread Lance Muir
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic hypothetical, Iz. . - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism That wasn't the question; I asked whether IF you believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
: March 22, 2006 15:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Well what are you about Lance Muir Are you doing what God has called someone else to do? Are you criticizing what you think someone else is doing that God didn't tell them to do? Are you hearing God

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Or, as on TT, theologically unknowing while spiritually alive. This is much more the case. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 18:52 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
HIGH Five[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:"Believe in God's word" is fundy code for "believe as I do." When we have been dispersed, take with you the knowledge that not one single Rad Fundy has given any of us a clue as to what "doctrine" they are talking about. You must obey the commandments

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
What is the point in pursuing dead letters when one can feast on a "living Word" On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 06:04:45 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Or, as on TT, theologically unknowing while spiritually alive. This is much more the case. From: Judy Taylor So

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Spoken like a true studen of RJR. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 21:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Let's have them Teach Dominion Theology in school ; )[EMAIL PROTECTED

[TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
Why advocate teaching what you don't know JD? As has already been noted "Only when we prove evolution do we need to concern ourselves with "harmonizing" evolutionism with theism. Evidence that this level of proof has not been achieved includes the long list of scientists and others who have

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
PROTECTED] wrote: Spoken like a true studen of RJR.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 21:05 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Let's have them Teach Dominion Theology in school ; )[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism AGAIN you show your Short Comprehension I am NOT a REFORMED CATHOLIC. wrong slot Lance, better take it to your friends for a consensus

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
I am talking about what we teach in school and Judy comes back with something about"the secret things" and then Kevin, bless his little heart, comes back with something about reading the Bible --- NEW FLASH !!! ObviouslyTT as a DISCUSSION GROUP died some time ago !! Over here , guys !! I am the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family. In fact, I am with the growing opinion that there has not been enough time for evolution to have worked

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Oh, I guess he does KNOW, Judy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 08:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What in the hell do you think I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ttxpress
(he needsto be absolute onwhat he's 'high-fiving', Bro:) On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 03:27:27 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || jd/*g: "Believe in God's word" is * [typical techno legalistic..] code for * " * [we're all damned goin' t'hell fer not] believe[ing]

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:29:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger" nor do I believe that a lung fish is ancient family. In fact, I am with the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Judy Taylor
nglory.org ; truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 08:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far off course here, as to be just plain silly. I am not a "big banger&qu

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
John wrote: Believe in God's word is fundy code for believe as I do. After all this time, you still don't understand. If it is code for anything, it is: line up with my understanding of God's Word here, or show me what the true understanding of God's Word is and help me to line up with it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism So which fundamentalist version of creation do you support. That A E were spirit people. A 6000 year

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
: March 23, 2006 14:29 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism John wrote: Believe in God's word is fundy code for believe as I do. After all this time, you still don't understand. If it is code for anything, it is: line up with my understanding of God's Word here, or show me

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
"I don't understand your point." = "Are you mocking the concept I do understand?" - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:32 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articlesaction=""> Polonium Radiohalos: The Model for Their For

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
Thanks for that compliment (?), David. BTW, I'm not embarrassed to read them either. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Actually

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
, it infects the whole group. So I prefer the concept of believing in fundamental Christianity but not believing in fundamentalism. David Miller - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 14:47 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism To believe fundamental Christianity means to accept fundamental tenets of Christianity. To believe fundamentalism means to embrace a sect of Christianity which hammers on the fundamentals. What if that ism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism I will give it a read, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 13:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: Have you

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
22, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:YIKES!! You mischaracterize both Williams and his position. DOUBLE YIKES!! I know that you will continue to do so. You are truly trapped, David. You've bound yourself with your own theology (not, as you believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools, Williams said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no. So how have I mischaracterized him? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
d to come into being? I don't understand your point. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism So which fundament

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Lance Muir
You have risen to new heights, soon to be appointed ARCHbishop, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it then, I'm with RW on this one. I don't think it should be taught in schools either. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread David Miller
@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. Secondly

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
d-east and, elsewhere.- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 07:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on CreationismAGAIN you show your Short Comprehension I am NOT a REFORMED CATHOLIC. wrong slot Lance, better take it to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB Our Job is NOT the school system or Politics, render unto CesearUnless of course you are swayed by the Reconstructionists.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What in the hell do you think I have been talking about? You are so far

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/r/aruwashd.htm Have you been to Jesus for the cleansing power?Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb?Are you fully trusting in His grace this hour?Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb? Refrain Are you washed in the blood,In the soul cleansing blood of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
So I prefer the concept of believing in fundamental Christianity but not believing in fundamentalism.And that is whileI prefer to believe the Special Revelation of God himself, I do not have a POPE or Potentate or Presbytery. I simply believe the revelation in the Book. JN 17:17 "Thy word IS

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
Weee, yeaahh. And your point? -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB Our Job is NOT the school system or Politics, render unto Cesear Unless of course you are swayed by the

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism The CNN report: Asked if creationism should be taught in schools, Williams said: I don't think it should, actually. No, no. So how have I mischaracterized him? David Miller - Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
My goodness, jd.  What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
on Creationism You have risen to new heights, soon to be appointed ARCHbishop, John. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 23, 2006 16:36 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread ShieldsFamily
roots of our public education system (before the lefties took over?) izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:39 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism WE DON'T

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
ea about the Christian roots of our public education system (before the lefties took over?) izzyFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 5:39 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creatio

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
l Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:32 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David:Is that all you were meaning to say concerning RW? If that's it then, I'm wi

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
s??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-23 Thread knpraise
23, 2006 5:39 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism WE DON'T NEED TO BE IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IF WE ARE DOING OUR JOB Our Job is NOT the school system or Politics, render unto Cesear Unless of course you are swayed by the Reconstructioni

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Anyone who has a problem with it. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:21 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Whom do you ask the guys who think DM

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
, March 21, 2006 9:21 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on CreationismWhom do you ask the guys who think DM Judy are Fundies?ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? iz-Original

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Yup is right, but how does he get from this thought to the idea that creationism should not be considered in schools? I hate it when theologians

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 21, 2006 15:21 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism John wrote: The world in which we live would reject any mention of God in the evolutionary process, IMO. But creationism in the schools? Could

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
this or that you would defend this Bishop. Deception is the only word for it. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:Fundamental Christianity is that which John believes. FundamentalISM ought not be believed by anyone. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 21, 2006 21:48 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism There is room for us to have different perspectives about how God created, but none of us should disagree with the notion that God is the Creator. To suggest that schools not teach even the possibility that God is the Creator is so

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Yup is right, but how does he get from th

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: I hate it when theologians are embarrassed of giving glory to the Creator in school. Lance wrote: You do KNOW, do you not David, that that's NOT the source of his embarrassment? Rowan Williams is not embarrassed concerning our Lord ANYWHERE. He, not unlike many, are

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
22, 2006 08:39 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: I hate it when theologians are embarrassed of giving glory to the Creator in school. Lance wrote: You do KNOW, do you not David, that that's NOT the source of his embarrassment? Rowan Williams

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
- Original Message - From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David: I'll take a pass on the ad-homs in your post as they simply illustrate what I've said concerning you

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
and his teaching on both science theology? How is it that one could not appreciate your scholarship on this? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 09:45 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David. I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and the profane ought to be separate. I am not sectarian within the group of those who have submitted unto Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Lance

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
and, what you now do to others.Yikes! Yikes! Yikes (that'd be triple yikes) - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 10:25 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Lance wrote: If Williams is a 'liberal

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: Fundamental Christianity is [fine]... FundamentalISM ought not be believed by anyone. FWIW: I can appreciate this distinction Lance makes. David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: One's time would be better spent reading some noteworthy novelists than noteworthy creationists. Lift up Jesus and, creationISM, will fall away as it should. I can't say that I agree with you here. Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry? David Miller

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
No, I've not but, what would I learn were I to do so, David? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 10:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Lance wrote: One's time would be better spent

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry? Lance wrote: No, I've not but, what would I learn were I to do so, David? I'm glad you asked. There are several things you would learn: 1. You would learn about the evidence for polonium halos indicating that

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
It is a shame we will not be able to finish this thread, I suppose, but I must say something here -- the conflict (speaking for myself) is not between science and religion. It is between religion and fundamentalism (radical fundamentalism, if you will.) Knowing that the first step will not be

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
Only in your hair-splitting mentality. iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 7:03 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Iz:Fundamental Christianity

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
So? There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon by the whole church either. What does that prove? judyt On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do. I know this -- there isn't a single view of

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Let me get this straight JD. By Rad Fundies you are talking about people who believe Genesis as it is written - Right?? PS What is wrong with the Carroll Dean's and the Pat Robertsons of this world? You may have to eat those words one day because both are busy about what they believe God

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
The problem is when any belief held by a fundamental Christian is labeled Fundamentalism. izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 9:28 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
: Williams on Creationism No, I've not but, what would I learn were I to do so, David? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 10:50 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Lance wrote: One's time would

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread ShieldsFamily
But its so much easier to sit on ones tuffet and criticize the work of others. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:25 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Operative _expression_ 'what they believe God has called them to do'? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 14:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Let me get this straight JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
About as much as your husband's patients have learned from his care, Iz. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 14:44 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism What would anyone learn from all

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
Iz:You slipped! David agreed with this 'hair-splitting' as you call it. Do you wish to apologize to your mentor? - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 14:21 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Lance Muir
I will give it a read, David. - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 22, 2006 13:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Do you even know what this thread is about, Judy? WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GETS INTO THE CIRRICULUM -- HUH ??? -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] So? There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon by the whole church either.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Do you even know what this thread is about, Judy? WHICH VIEW OF CREATIONISM GOES INTO THE SCHOOL CURRICULUM -- HUH ??!! Be sure to answer with "the right one, John -- duh !!" or will that be Linda's piece of intellectual contribuation for the day? jd -- Original message

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Paul opposed the intolerant legalists in the church and so will I while, at the same time, writing the words of Romans 14. He is one of my mentors -- I will do the same. A Rad Fundy is not defined by the words she reads but by the froth of mouth as she "evangelizes" the lost. If the shoe

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
ot; [EMAIL PROTECTED] But it’s so much easier to sit on one’s tuffet and criticize the work of others. iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:25 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
t;To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 21, 2006 21:48Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism If fundamental Christianity is a problem for you, of what spirit are you? iz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Deegan Sent: Tue

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG> Sent: March 22, 2006 13:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David Miller wrote: Have you read Creation's Tiny Mystery, by Robert Gentry? Lance wrote: No, I've not but, what would I learn were

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Judy Taylor
Well what are you about Lance Muir Are you doing what God has called someone else to do? Are you criticizing what you think someone else is doing that God didn't tell them to do? Are you hearing God as to what he wants you to do? How do you know you are hearing God since noone can know

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
many, are embarrassed over believers turning non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Yup is

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
There is something funny about a man that thinks he has such a direct line with God that he is able to discern God's will for another man!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well what are you about Lance Muir Are you doing what God has called someone else to do? Are you criticizing

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread knpraise
many, are embarrassed over believers turning non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 21, 2006 13:12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Yup is

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
so that you might see just howwrong you are. (Bonus name: Thomas Weinandy).Go to it guys!- Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <TRUTHTALK@MAIL.INNGLORY.ORG>Sent: March 22, 2006 08:39Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism Da

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
And what do his other "works" say about him, to you?How do you feel about his taking part in a DRUID worship service?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: If Williams is a 'liberal loonie' then you are a 'sectarian loonie' , David.I'm sectarian only in the sense that the holy and

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
Then maybe you can flesh it out for the rest of us. I am sure Lance can not/will notI am sure we can see the difference, but just what are the symptoms of that particular ISM? David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lance wrote: Fundamental Christianity is [fine]... FundamentalISM ought not

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-22 Thread Kevin Deegan
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articlesaction=""> Polonium Radiohalos: The Model for Their Formation Tested and Verified http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articlesaction="">But being that it is ICR research you may be too embarrassed to read it. ; )

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