Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-13 Thread michael douglas
Michael D:Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ShieldsFamily wrote: Dave H, I too believe in free agency, and therefore would not try to pressure someone into my own beliefs. I know that without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in their lives there is NOTHING I can do to influence anyone to seek after

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dave H, I too believe in free agency, and therefore would not try to pressure someone into my own beliefs. I know that without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in their lives there is NOTHING I can do to influence anyone to seek after Jesus. I do NOT believe that we are all spiritual

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-07 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: Do you always go around thinking the worst of folks? Don't you think some people with smiles on their faces just may be reflecting that which is inside? Most of the time I take people at face value and think no ill of them. But through experience, I have found that most

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-07 Thread ShieldsFamily
Dave H, FYI I have NEVER sent any of these emails!!! ROFL! Izzy, -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller I have been accused by some via private email of aiding and abetting you by giving you ammunition to use against other

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-07 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote:  I have been accused by some via private email of aiding and abetting you by giving you ammunition to use against other Protestants.  I guess they think you are some kind of secret intelligence agent for Mormons.  LOL. DAVEH:  ROTFLOL   From my LDS perspective, that is

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-07 Thread Dave
  ShieldsFamily wrote: Dave H,  I too believe in free agency, and therefore would not try to pressure someone into my own beliefs.  I know that without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit in their lives there is NOTHING I can do to influence anyone to seek after Jesus.  I do NOT believe

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread Dave
  ShieldsFamily wrote: Oh, yeah, for sure--we need MORE of that!!! (I'm not naming any names!) DAVEH:   Ahhh..why not, Izzy?!?!?!?!   DavidM is a big boy..he can take the heat!    VBG     Seriously though.I suspect there are a few TTers who believe I'm here to win converts

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread Terry Clifton
This is one area where you are absolutely right. Terrry would be change the way TTers interact with others. IMHO, divergent views and opinions can (and should) be expressed and shared without animosity or acrid comments. If notwhat message does that convey! -- ~~~ Dave

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: Hm..and what do YOU perceive to be my heart, DavidM??? I think you are a very secure and serious Mormon who enjoys listening to Protestants try and defend viewpoints that don't make much sense to you. :-) I think you miss having someone like Glenn around here to

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread Dave
ShieldsFamily wrote: Dave H, I think what David Miller really means to say is that you should be more like ME (who might be misjudged as beingobnoxious) than like Beaver Cleaver's best friend (what was his name???) LOL! Izzy PS When did you say you were planning to abandon Mormonism?

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread David Miller
DAVEH: I've always imagined Jesus to be like that. There were times when he wasn't so polite, as in the Temple chastising the money changers. However, I'm not Jesus. Nor do I feel compelled (yet) to exercise righteous indignation. I can't even imagine condemning one of my Brothers

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-06 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: DAVEH: I've always imagined Jesus to be like that.  There were times when he wasn't so polite, as in the Temple chastising the money changers.  However, I'm not Jesus. Nor do I feel compelled (yet) to exercise righteous indignation.  I can't even imagine

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Oh, yeah, for sure--we need MORE of that!!! (I'm not naming any names!) ROFL! Izzy -Original Message- DAVEH:   Hm.. Would other TTers prefer I be obnoxiously offensive in my posts? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread David Miller
Dave, I think the primary problem here is that you have a very polished surface which does not reveal your heart. I'm not trying to offend you. In fact, I think some people on TruthTalk admire you in this way. However, others find it offensive. At first it appears to some that you are not

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread ttxpress
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 11:38:53 -0400 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:So Mormonism appears to many here, as the result of[DaveHs] testimony here,to be a cult kind of like Judaism, where adherence to an institution andfocus upon a particular prophet keeps you from seeing and hearing

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Since when is Judaism a cult? Izzy -Original Message- So Mormonism appears to many here, as the result of your testimony here, to be a cult kind of like Judaism, where adherence to an institution and focus upon a particular prophet keeps you from seeing and hearing God in matters of

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread ttxpress
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:28:33 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since when is Judaism a cult? Izzy [6/4, DavidM:] So Mormonism appears to many here, as the result of your testimony here,to be a cult kind of like Judaism, where adherence to an institution andfocus upon a

RE: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: Since when is Judaism a cult? Language gap here... I was obviously using the word cult in its generally accepted scholastic sense as a group of people who share a religious belief system, but also note that they adhered to such beliefs so closely that they failed to acknowledge

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-05 Thread Dave
  David Miller wrote: Dave, I think the primary problem here is that you have a very polished surface which does not reveal your heart. DAVEH:   Hm..and what do YOU perceive to be my heart, DavidM???    Furthermore...I'm not quite sure why being polite (at least that is how I

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-04 Thread ttxpress
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:43:24 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:..I thought it was OK to offer my contrasting opinions and beliefs when discussing topics. of course(!)--all the topics that bestsuit your your 'ignorance' gary ottoson * http://ozg2003.blogspot.com

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  Note..I changed the subject line to more accurately reflect the nature of this discussion. Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH:  I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry.  Do you not remember?  I am here to learn

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-04 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 06:43:24 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >..I thought it was OK to offer my contrasting opinions>and beliefs when discussing topics.of course(!)--all the topics that best suit your your 'ignorance' DAVEH: ???Why is that a problem for

Re: [TruthTalk] Prooftext

2003-06-04 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: > > >DAVEH: I have repeatedly explained why I am on TT, Perry. Do you not > > >remember? I am here to learn what Protestants believe and why they >believe > > >that way. Do you have a problem with that? > > > > Well, yes I do. And the problem I have is that the first