Gary,
Bills sentence below was contextualized in his post.
You make no valid criticism when you pull it out of context.
Bill did nothing inappropriate when he quoted from the first part of this
statement.
When he used it the second time, the context had shifted and the latter part
was no longer
I just wanted to say that I appreciate the things being
shared. This thread of discourse is most revealing.
There arethe originators of knowledge, those who
experience or discover it first hand. And then there are the purveyors of
knowledge, who pass along what others say without first
BT:
Knowledge could even be the rote memorization of Scripture, and
wisdom could be the understanding of how to use that
knowledge, the discernment of what to do with it.
Bill, Would you also agree that there are
levels of understanding in scripture? I believe the Lord
Knowledge, truth or lie,comes from or through these
means:
Originate = To come or bring into being;
begin
Purvey = to supply (food, information, etc.), to
furnish
Disseminate = To scatter or spread
widely
Notice Paul's prophesy of these in the last
days:
"Traitors, heady, highminded,
Bill,
The picture you drew about Gods
beauty brought tears to my eyesso true! What do you think of M. Scott
Pecks words in The Road Less
Traveled?---
If you want to know the closest
place to look for grace, it is within yourself. If you desire wisdom greater
than your own, you can
Marlin, So true! Perhaps the reporters
are those who havent gotten past the superficial meaning of scripture,
and can only quote it AT you to prove their point, all the while not seeing the
deeper meaning of it. We cant sneer at those people; it is the infant
stage which is so necessary to
Marlin,
My dear husband is in academic
medicine. He (1) teaches residents at the university the facts he was taught in medical
training, (2) he teaches residents the things he
has learned by the experience of
putting those facts into practice
and (3) he does his own personal research to
"Knowledge" could
even be the rote memorization of Scripture, and "wisdom" could be the
"understanding" of how to use that knowledge, the discernment of what to do
with it.
Bill, Would you
also agree that there are levels of understanding in
"Then he goes on to explain that this
is what we term the presence of the Holy Spirit."
Izzy, I am not familiar enough with
Peck to have much more than an elementary appreciation for what he is saying. If
he goes on to nuancehis words and attach them to a biblical-language type
indwelling
Thank you, Sherrie.
I think that we should all be a little more like you in this post. It's kind
of fun to think of ourselves as mysterious, but unless we want to be
delirious, we still have to communicate to interact and participate. I am
glad you say what you did. How were any of us to really
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Hmmm. You are an
interesting person.
LOL!
Many people have expressed that thought, but most don't use such
polite words.;)
vincent j. fulton
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned
I know I'm not Bill but I do know about F. Scott Peck and his books "The
People of the Lie" and "The Road Less Travelled" Peck is into theNew
Age concepts and he has Buddhist leanings so when he speaks of god within it is
not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
The term "unconscious"
jt "We
ignore them and hope they will go away."
Yeah, I hear that. It seems that there is no clear
discernment in this area. Either we do as you say and never address the problem,
or we go to the other extreme and start dusting demons out of the church and
exercising pews. There does need
Glad we can agree on something Bill - would you say that language is part
of our problem? Jung changed the words because he knew ppl would reject him if
he told them the truth. I wonder if we have been doing this all along and
this is why there is such confusion. Why don't we call things
Actually there are species and sub species here. There is knowledge in
general and then there is knowledge that comes from God. Actually ignorance is a
form of knowledge. Wisdom is the same there is the wisdom that comes from
above that is pure, peaceable, and full of good fruit - then there
Bill, In later books Peck makes it clear
that when he wrote The Road Less
Traveled he was just about to come to know the Lord. He wasnt
quite there yet, but very close. (Amazing how much wisdom he wrote at that point,
before knowing Christ personally). I was just wondering if Pecks
Sherrie and Bill, To love G is to accept that he lives in a constant state
of delirium, and to realize that only G can understand what he is saying.
To try to understand his meaning is an exercise in frustrating futility, for
me anyway. :-) Either he doesn't want to be understood, or he can't be
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Jesus.
Blaine wrote: You didn't finish
the passage, which reads, "one Lord, one faith, one
baptism." Eph 4:5
M. Scott Peck's books are a tragic example of the means
by which professing Christians are being deceived. See Four Ways Christians Are Being
Deceived
1. M. Scott Peck, M.D.
a. "Educated at Harvard (B.A.) and Case Western Reserve (M.D.), Dr. M. Scott
Peck has served in administrative
For many reasons, the
evidence (archaeological and otherwise) for the existence of Book of Mormon
places, languages, etc is not as easy to find as is the casewith the
Bible.In other words,everyone knows where Jerusalem of the
Bible was and is at, few think they know where Zarahemla of the
Thank you. That will help me to begin to learn how
to accept him. You nailed it:that is tolove him.
Bill
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Sherrie and Bill, To
Izzy,
Have you ever treaded glass so as to stay away from
stickers? I did not really know what to do with Peck. As I said, I am not all
that familiar with him. I wasn't aware of what Judy shared, for instance.
However, I have been misunderstood enough times to know that I should extend to
Blaine: The recent (2000)
discovery of the place Nahom in the Arabian Peninsula is strong evidence that
the BoM is not a work of fiction.See previous post.
Also,the
BoMis consistent with known modes of thought, writing techniques, etc.,
used in ancient times. If it were a work of
Blaine,
I examined the Lehi Trail website and read the article you referenced. I
must say, the connection between NHM and Nahom is certainly a possibility.
That assertion is not made in the article, though, and statements that could
assert such are expressed with indefinites, like felt
So well put, Bill. You have a gift for
that. I think your theological instinct is what I mean by direct
revelation from the Holy Spirit. He gives you this thought/idea/concept and
then elaborates upon it. Then you realize that it was stated, in one way or
another, in scripture all alongyou
TruthTalk reminds me of attending a
cocktail party. You walk into a roomful of people who are enjoying pleasant
conversations in various groups of two or more. You listen for a while before
deciding which group youd like to participate in, and then join in the
exchange of ideas.
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:32
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Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
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Glad we can agree on something Bill - would you say that language is part
of our problem?
bt: Yes I
Blaine: That's easy Kevin--the splinter
groups are not accepted by the Church of JC of LDS as just another living branch
broken off the main olive tree, as is the case when breaks occur from
Protestant churches. If a branch breaks off the LDS main trunk, it is
considered a dead branch, and
Blaine: It has that quality of becoming musty
and moldy if not eaten right away. Luckily, the Lord was able to preserve
a few kernals in Phoenix.
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Blaine: LOL It hasn't been built, but plans
are pending--probably up there on high in the celestial office building. I
have a nice supply of rusty nails in my garage, will that do in the
meanwhile?
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The BoM may very well have had multiple writers...JS, Soloman Spalding,
Satan, parts copied from the KJV. Who knows where else he may haved gleaned
literature to include in his work. I can also see one who is familiar with
and trying to write in the style of KJV Bible copying it's style, even
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sheep of america
Discovery of just ONE senum or ONE shiblon should do it. With many coins
in circulation this
Blaine: Hmmm, can you give me your exact time
and place of birth? I can't predict much without being able to place your
sun, moon and planets in houses with reference to your rising
sign.You were born with the Sun in Saggitarius, Moon in Taurus,
Mercury and Venus in Capricornus, Mars in
Blaine: If you don't want to believe something, you can always find some
reasons to justify yourself. I do not swallow astrolgy whole, but it does
seem to have some truths, at least as far as explaining personality traits.
According to one source, there are 12 to the 27th power possible
Blaine: You'd make a grand astrologer, Wm, you ought to go to Hogworts for
an advanced degree. LOL
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I just consulted the stars and,
From: "Blaine Borrowman" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm, can you give me your exact time and place of
birth?
I can't predict much without being able to place
your sun, moon and planets
in houses with reference to your rising
sign.You were born with the Sun in
Saggitarius, Moon in Taurus, Mercury
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Romans 2:18ff shows that there is at least a second path to God other than preaching the gospel. John
jt: No John, there is just one way/door and this is through Christ and by repentance.
Romans 2:12ff
A pot luck's a pot luck.
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In a
message dated 3/26/2004 6:41:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL
Well, folks, it's clear to me now that I don't think enough like any
of you to really enjoy these threads. The potential for enjoyment was all
that held me here, so I no longer have any reason to stay. It's been
interesting. I wish you all well. Good bye.
vincent j fulton
--
Let
jt saysLet me try and get this
straight. Bill are you asking if it is OK to add to or
subtract from God's Word? I know you would not call it
that but I've heard
so much about wordsmithing in recent days - what's
wrong with calling
things what God has called them in His
Words?
Judy, What's
Thank you, John.
I think we were actually tracking different
branches of the Polanyi thread. When I responded I was intending to discuss
thiswith DavidM. and Izzy, in reference to Enlightenment
rationalism.I was not expecting to get into the middle of what you
had said about Paul. My
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vincent j fulton
For me, I think we did have something in common. This list is an opportunity to not only express our views, but to listen and learn. I came to believe that you were much more the seasoned
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
jt saysLet me
try and get this straight. Bill are you asking if it is OK to
add to or subtract from God's Word? I know you would not call it that but
I've
heard so much about wordsmithing in recent days - what's wrong with
calling
things what God has
If you had been respecting my request, you would
not even have been asking questions, Judy.
BT
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Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our
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From: "Wm.
Furthermore, Judy, if I am so difficult to
understand, why aren't you being a little more cautious about jumping in the
middle of conversations I am having with someone else? Why not stay away from
those conversations? You obviously know there is a great
potentialforgreater
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Our faith should not rest in Church history. Why do you say that
God's grace and the blood of the lamb are the answer to all the mess. Do you think that
God will validate all of the things you mention above
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