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cd: Wow I understand Gary and agree with him. Something tells me this is going to be a good day:-) By the way where is everybody? Lance
John writes No one in this discussion
believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
cd responds
Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature sinful
naturethat is what one is saying John.
No, Dean, it is not.
Rather, it is what you hear us saying. Yourhearing,
however,is
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 5:31
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of
God's Nature?
John writes No one in this
discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
Dean:
You asked 'where is the rest'? (the aforementioned
'methodology) There is more to follow over time but, I ask you to be
particularly attentive to both the form and content of all of Bill Taylor's
posts. In Bill you have as good a biblical theologian as you are likely to
encounter.
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Sent: 1/26/2006 7:20:48 AM
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John writes No one in this discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
cd responds Respectfully- If one states that Christ had
Dean wrote:
Another man of one book J.Wesley ...
John Wesley was not a man of one book. He read other books constantly,
just as Paul did. What is meant by your quotes is that in the context of
that particular ministry to the people being talked about, the preaching
focused upon Jesus Christ
cd: Maybe I will have a change of heart and keep silent-if that's what youand the group really wants Bill?Or maybe I won't give you the choice and just keep silent. I will give it thought -goodbye Bill- may God bless you and His light shine upon you.
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John wrote:
... I am not a dualist.
There is only one nature.
Just for the record in regards to this discussion, it is dualism that
provides for me the framework for understanding how Jesus could have a
fallen nature. Without the understanding of man's dualism that comes from
Romans 7, I
cd: I am not saying He isn't a "good" theologian but there will be issues I will disagreewith and express that disbelief-but he is not infallible. But if all keep silent then in just a short amount of time Bill will not be a good theologian with his own beliefs rather he will only present
DaveH wrote:
Do you view circumcision in a similar light
as baptism...it being a covenant?
Yes, I view it in a similar light, but I would not use the words you used,
it being a covenant. Circumcision is a sign of the convenant, actually
used for more than one covenant in history (both
I receive it in the spirit with which it is
offered, Dean. (RESPECTFULLY)
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Dean
Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 26, 2006 09:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of
God's Nature?
cd: I am not saying He
FWIW Dean, PLEASE DO NOT KEEP SILENT! IFO value
both your contribution and, your demeanour.
Lance
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Dean
Moore
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Sent: January 26, 2006 09:18
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God's Nature?
DAVEH: Again, thanx for the explanation. Do you feel that the OT
sacrificial rites were similarly relatedthat is, were signs of a
covenant? If so, why do you think they needed to be replicated?
David Miller wrote:
DaveH wrote:
Do you view circumcision in a similar light
as
I believe that a covenant sign is
one reason that Jesus was himself baptized by John.
DAVEH: With who do you think was Jesus making a covenant?
baptism has
other purposes as well,
DAVEH: With Jesus' baptism, was the reason not the primary reason to
fulfill righteousness?
David Miller
cd: Due to the lack of response from the brethren-which I think is due to
their not wanting to get involved in any more of out discussions. The
last one we completed on Pal Talk concerning the Mormons did end so well,
at least for you anyway:-) I will try and relate as to why I believe the
Gary wrote:
... interestingly, the 'J Wesley quad' which omits
Finney (a theologian) embraces Kant (a philosopher)
LOL. You are making an anachronistic mistake here. Finney was born after
Wesley had died already, so naturally Wesley never mentioned Finney because
Wesley had never heard of
Dean, I appreciate your desire to have a discussion of peers. I will keep that in mind as I write.
Dean writes:
When we first started this debate most of the group stated Christ to be as "common man"- Right here, Dean, is an example, IMO, that you arehearing the discussion differenctle from
Such a teaching can get rather involved, and it does involve some personal revelation, but following are a few passages DM
What does this mean, David, in regards to "personal revelation" ?? Do you mean "personal inerpretation" or is it more than that?
jd
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DAVEH:
With who do you think was Jesus making a covenant?
With the Father in heaven. John the Baptist was a forerunner of the new
convenant that would come through Jesus. His baptism prepared the way by
helping people understand the elements of entering into this new covenant.
Therefore,
JD wrote:
... try to see why we continue to preach
obedience and personal effort
Why would you continue to preach personal effort if you have already
achieved sanctification by grace through faith?
I personally do not preach personal effort. The reason that you find people
like me sometimes
DaveH wrote:
Do you feel that the OT sacrificial rites were
similarly relatedthat is, were signs of a
covenant? If so, why do you think they needed
to be replicated?
No, I view the sacrificial rites of the Sinai covenant were not signs of the
covenant, but rather elements of the
Wasn't Lonnie the one who wore the skull cap to mock James White? Maybe
not. I can't remember, but I remember that both Ruben and Jim Webber
corrected that street preacher for certain behavior at SLC. This kind of
correction should go on all the time.
cd: I will not say who wore the
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/26/2006 9:32:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?
FWIW Dean, PLEASE DO NOT KEEP SILENT! IFO value both your contribution and, your demeanour.
Lance
cd:Thanks Lance-I will do as
I would appreciate prayers for my daughter Christine at the University of
Florida. She is under a great deal of persecution there.
Last week Christinewas urged by a Senator to come speak to the
Student Government Senate meeting, and so she went and spoke, asking,
questioning, whether
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:31:47 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John writes No one
in this discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
cd responds
Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature
sinful naturethat is what one is saying John.
No,
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 05:31:47 -0700 "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
John writes No one
in this discussion believes that Christ sinned, Dean.
cd responds
Respectfully- If one states that Christ had a fallen nature
sinful naturethat is what one is saying John.
No,
From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John wrote: ... I am not a dualist.There is only one
nature.
Just for the record in regards to this discussion, it is
dualism that provides for me the framework for understanding how
Jesus could have a fallen nature. Without the understanding of man's
Judy wrote:
How so David; Christians are not supposed to have
two natures operating ATST either because those in
Christ have made a covenant agreement to die to the
one and walk after the other.
Judy, the very idea of dying to one and walking in the other is dualism.
Otherwise, if you died
DONE.
I would appreciate prayers for my daughter Christine at the University of
Florida. She is under a great deal of persecution there. Last
week Christinewas urged by a Senator to come speak to the Student
Government Senate meeting, and so she went and spoke, asking, questioning,
Hi Dean. I hope you will accept my apologies for
any misunderstanding: I am not wishing that you would stop contributing, but
that you would stop jumping so quickly to conclusions. It is insulting to me --
although I know it was not intentionally so-- that you would suggest that
I or the
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