from:"Judy Taylor"

Re: [TruthTalk] TT w/o a moderator

2006-03-28 Thread Judy Taylor




I've been pondering on the same thing; how will we 
overcome to the point where we will "judge angels"
if we can't control ourselves enough to be civil 
on an internet list? It's a good suggestion.Plus I 
still
haven't seen Christine's picture - 
judyt

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:12:42 -0800 Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  DAVEH: Yikes.can I really be in agreement with 
  Kevin??? If you decide to go that route for awhile, DavidMwhy 
  not deep 6 the ad-hom rule. Who knowsmaybe TT can rise from the 
  ashes like a phoenix!!!Kevin Deegan wrote: 
  
David,

Since TT has been w/o a Moderator, it seems to have done just 
fine.
Why not just keep the list up w/o one?

Breaking up is just so hard to do.


  -- 
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
If you wish to receive
things I find interesting,
I maintain six email lists...
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STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS.

[TruthTalk] Goodbye

2006-03-27 Thread Judy Taylor





My it is awfully quiet this morning;I don't even see anything from 
Lance (the early bird)
Have been busy over the weekend so have not had much time tothink 
about goodbyes. 
Our son and DIL are building a house at the back of us - also we are 
involved daily with our 
daughter in TX who is presently in the midst of an 
ongoingcrisis.

I would like to thank all of you for sharing yourselves on the TT List. I 
think I have learned in 
some way from everyone, though possibly not in the ways you or I would have 
thought. For
me, TT has been a learning experience and I am thankful that DavidM rescued 
me from the
legalistic Homechurch List where we met. David you and your family 
have been a real
encouragement in the Lord. I took me a while to get to know each 
Listmember. My ideas
regarding Street Preaching have changed and I have enjoyed Kevin and Dean 
so much.
I am glad to know they are out there along with DM and Christine 
Miller. Just this morning 
I read 1 Kings 14:24 regarding the mess Judah was in after Solomon "and 
there were also 
sodomites in the land and they did according to all the 
abominations of the nations which 
the Lord cast out before the children of Israel" so theirs istruly a 
labor of love. Thank you Iz 
for sharing yourself, your pilgrimage, and your family with us. I wanted to 
share some photos 
but haven't had time to look for one to compete with JD and Gary 
:)

Lance, I have to say that I was often surprised that you hung in there - We 
never did agree
but I do appreciate the kind words you spoke on occasion; they tell me that 
you did not take
what I wrote personally which is good. I am not angry with any person 
per se and have found
everything interesting, even Dave Hanson's contributions in the historical 
or cultural sense
(see your inputLance :) but when I came to TT I was and am 
stillfrustrated by dead orthodoxy 
andtheologies or menbecause they are powerless and I so want to 
see Jesus on the scene. 

There are more than 500 families in the church we attend and so many 
hurting ppl that the 
new counseling pastor is swamped they are calling him all hours of the day 
and night and he 
doesn't have time for his family. The teaching pastor is just back 
from spending a week in 
London and yesterday he shared how on the flight over there was a rape on 
the TV's on either 
side of him and when his wife turned hers on there was an adulterous affair 
on it. He then told
ushow overwhelmed he was by Westminster Abbey where the Westminster 
Confession was 
put together and All Souls Church where John Stott whose writings have 
affected him so much 
pastored.. that's all well and good and I'm glad for him but on the way 
homeI told my husband 
that the effecthis sermon had on me was to make me want to go to 
London - but not for the 
same reasons. It did not make me hunger for more of Jesus.

I long for God's Word to be exalted with great plainness of speech so that 
we will see His results
with lives changed and health and peace among the people.

I pray you will all grow in grace and in the knowledge of Him and that we 
will have opportunity
to meet again.

God Bless You All
judyt in Suffolk VA

[TruthTalk] Saying Goodbye

2006-03-27 Thread Judy Taylor





Thank you for these thoughts David; you seem to have 
apprehended everyone's
specialness. I am, like Iz, already missing 
everyone even before the Lists
final demise - after all I did spend many a day with 
all of you and you will be
missed 

I'll need to get used to coffee without Lance 
now... Thanks Lance for the update 
re your Mom.

judyt


From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Continuing with my farewell impressions...

Although John Smithson is a rather emotional person with whom I have butted 
heads concerning over-generalizations and stereotypic expressions, I have 
appreciated John's keen interest in theology and philosophy. He has 
ventured into areas which others on TruthTalk would not. By doing so, 
John has opened up avenues of thought and reflection which would otherwise 
have been stagnant. John was never afraid of a good brawl and often 
moved topics on TruthTalk into fisticuffs. I appreciated such 
opportunities as a way to dig deeper into issues, furthering a 
reductionistic method of breaking down subjects into smaller parts for 
analysis. I will always have fond thoughts about his passion for 
issues that were usually on the periphery of my thinking.

Kevin Deegan has been a great contributor, always great with links and 
information about almost any issue. Kevin's breath of reading comes 
across loud and clear, but more than just being well read, he has expressed 
a passion for truth. He takes a hard line stance that is helpful to 
others willing to give a thorough study of a particular issue. While 
Kevin is quick to quip, he also exhibits a patience to keep ploughing along 
with difficult subjects. I think I will remember Kevin's patience more 
than the actual information he has posted. May God grant me the 
ability to stick with it like Kevin does, to present God's truth, despite 
what the detractors might offer. I also cannot sign off without 
mentioning my admiration for Kevin's sacrifice and diligence toward 
preaching the Word of God to those outside the churches of Jesus 
Christ. Such will always continue to inspire me.

Carroll Dean Moore will be best remembered for his no-nonsense seriousness 
with which he approaches life and the Word of God. I will remember 
Dean's passion and loyalty toward what he perceives to be the right 
path. When I think of Dean, I tend to remember the passage from 1 
Peter 5:8, "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a 
roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour." Thank you 
Dean.

Ruben Israel Chavez will be remembered for his always uplifting preaching 
reports. I stand in awe of the sacrifice he makes as he travels around 
the country and the world, preaching the Truth of Christ to those who are 
unchurched. Ruben also has taken time to joust with us from time to 
time, and to explain his thinking about issues of importance. Ruben is 
a constant model of being a preacher of the Word and not just a 
student. Such will always be in my mind.

Charles Perry Locke has been a gentlemen among gentlemen. He is 
passionate about truth and at the same time well mannered and filled with 
common sense I appreciate Perry's sacrifice in helping moderate the list for 
a long time. In posts, he has perhaps been among the most patient. 
When I have been very dense in hearing him on a point, he would take the 
time to spell it out clearly until I got it. Many others would have 
simply made fun of me and gone on to other issues. Not Perry. I 
will always cherish his longsuffering and clear, logical mind.

Gary Ottoson... I will always remember him as Mr. Abbreviation. 
Gary's presence has raised the intellectual level a notch or two on 
TruthTalk. While many of his posts were difficult to decipher for some, and 
nearly impossible for the uneducated, he did at times come up with gems that 
provoked further discussion. Gary was a constant reminder to TruthTalk 
that poets have something to say among those who wish to talk about 
truth. Gary also has a steadfastness to him that has been 
inspirational.

Judy Taylor has been a rock for the unadulterated truth. Her 
adherence to Scripture without any contamination from the thoughts of men 
will always be in the back of my mind. In my tendency toward curiosity 
about many ideas and subjects, Judy has been that firm but gentle reminder 
of where my feet need to be firmly planted. Her strength of character 
and great love for God has been an inspiration for me, and will continue to 
be an inspiration to me for years to come. One cannot come into 
contact with such a person and not remember her when times of trials and 
persecution come because of the Word of God. Thank you Judy for being 
Judy. You are greatly loved.

Linda Shields, well, Linda is Izzy... a fiesty cat. I have learned to 
appreciate her passion and independence of spirit. In a day when many 
Christians are generally somewhat reticent to declare political 
affiliations, Linda would boldly pro

Re: [TruthTalk] I Hope I'm Not too Late...

2006-03-27 Thread Judy Taylor




Christine, I can't see the picture - Must be my Norton 
spam blocker or something, is there another
way you could send it? Have really enjoyed you. 
Thanks for beinga blessing to us on TT - judyt

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 18:45:37 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I just wanted to say one last time that it has been such a joy getting to 
  know you all. I praise God for your wisdom and passion. Here's a 
  picture of me grinning ear-to-ear with my mom on Broadway a couple of months 
  ago. My father babysat all of my sisters back home while we two girls painted 
  the town red! I love 
  you all. -Christine
  
  
  Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great 
  rates starting at 1¢/min.

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years I 
would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American 
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I've just learned that 
  Australia is investing workers 
  retirement funds in US Real Estate
  
  They just bought the 
  New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this 
  Kevin
  


Proof of the pudding is always in 
the eating.

I've just learned that 
Australia is investing workers 
retirement funds in US Real Estate also

So Lance and his prophet don't have 
a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Lance says Canada will not suffer the same fate at the 
  USA. 
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  Ah
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  excuse me
  
  
  
  348,000 New York jobs are supported by 
  Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 billion 
  
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between Canada and NY in 2004 than any other 
  U.S. state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. border 
  at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of all traffic 
  that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound? 
  
  
  
  http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
  
  Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are US 
  
  
  Calculator 
  please
  
  That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive on 
  16% of its present exports?
  
  Remember that the Total export/imports of 
  canada represents a FULL 2/3rds 
  of their GDP!
  
  SIZE does 
  matter!
  
  
  
  Thanks for the add'l example of mindless 
  parroting.
  
  Don't you just HATE 
  Ignorance?
  
  I guess it is better than letting it go to 
  waste.
  
  Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

The 'prophet' (take note, 
David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate at 
the USA. Size does matter but, 
it's not the only thing that 
matters.

  
  - Original Message 
  - 
  
      From: 
  Judy Taylor 
  
  
  To: 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: 
  March 25, 2006 08:03
  
  Subject: 
  Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
  
  
  
  Don't worry 
  Lance, if the USA 
  implodes - Canada 
  and Europe will go with it - at 
  present when the
  
  US sneezes the 
  rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy from the 
  North ... Goodness gracious!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirMost on TT will live to 
  see the implosion of the USA. At 
  what point will you declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of 
  moving out of your old house and into a new 
  one.
  

  


From: ShieldsFamily 








http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster



As a teacher, he had come to dislike 
American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up 
to seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room 
schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and 
poorly equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which 
came from England. Webster 
thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he 
began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the 
English Language. The work consisted of a speller 
(published in 1783), a grammar 
(published in 1784), and a reader 
(publishe

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




Thomas Merton and Joan Baez?? - O good gracious, you're 
sinking Gary, and fast.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 01:33:29 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:46:50 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
  
Really up on social justice huh..?



whatever rings 
true

  "Sweet brother, if I do not sleep My eyes are flowers on 
  your tomb And if I cannot eat my bread My fasts shall live like 
  willows where you died If in the heat I find no water for my thirst 
  My thirst shall turn to springs for you, poor traveler 
  Come, in your labor find a resting place And in my 
  sorrows lay your head Brother, take my life and bread And buy 
  yourself a better bed Take my breath and take my death Buy 
  yourself a better rest beneath the bells of Gethsemani 
  When all the men of war are killed And flags have fallen 
  into dust Your cross and mine will tell men still He died on each 
  for both of us That we might become the brothers of God And learn 
  to know the Christ of burnt men 
  And the children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
  For in the wreckage of your April Christ lies slain He 
  weeps in the ruins of my spring The money of whose tears shall fall 
  Into your weak and friendless hand And buy you back to your own 
  land 
  The silence of whose tears shall fall Like bells upon 
  your alien tomb Hear them and come, they call you home And the 
  children are ringing the bells of Gethsemani 
  Yes, if they had been there They would have taken that 
  crown of thorns from his hair And stayed for a while in that place of 
  despair Ah, but what do I see, my brother is there And he's 
  ringing the bells of Gethsemani" 
  (Music by Joan Baez, Words by Thomas Merton) 
  © 1981 Gabriel Earl Music (ASCAP)

[TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor





Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but truth 
will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be self-evident. We 
can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, what good is it? Its 
value to us is worthless unless it is walked in.
Freedom and truth come to those who press on. 
Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, comes 
progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of Unleavened 
Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the Red Sea. It 
took them another forty years to get into their own land, into their 
inheritance, the Promised Land.
Their freedom was progressive. There was a 
time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would never 
have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have been free. 

This is a large part of the object lesson: We 
have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We will 
understand the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth of God 
shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to give our 
life to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




I didn't know about it - but it wouldn't bother 
Australians; they are not pleased with Paul Hogan ... mainly
because he got carried away with celebrity and left his 
wife and mother of his five children Noela to
marry the girl in his first movie. He lives in 
California most of the time now and is not the "unsophisticated"
steel rigger he once was.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:24:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I think it's a "right back atcha" thing 
  
  Is that so? 
  Well, how do you like the fact that some American Company bought the 
  rights to all those Paul Hogan movies?Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

I think it's a "right back atcha" thing - for years 
I would go over there and hear much lamenting about
what Americans had bought; do you know an American 
Company now owns the all Australian
delicious spread called Vegemite?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  I've just learned that 
  Australia is investing workers 
  retirement funds in US Real Estate
  
  They just bought 
  the New York Thruway. Does that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this 
  Kevin
  


Proof of the 
pudding is always in the eating.

I've just learned 
that Australia is investing 
workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
also

So Lance and his 
prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Lance says 
  Canada will not 
  suffer the same fate at the USA. 
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  Ah
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  excuse me
  
  
  
  348,000 New York jobs are supported by 
  Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
  billion 
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between 
  Canada and NY in 
  2004 than any other U.S. state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the Canada-U.S. 
  border at the four Niagara crossings last year, accounting for 34% of 
  all traffic that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound? 
  
  
  
  http://www.2ontario.com/welcome/coca_401.asp
  
  Seeing that a FULL 84% of CanaDUHs exports are 
  US 
  
  Calculator 
  please
  
  That leaves 16%, can CanaDUH's economy survive 
  on 16% of its present exports?
  
  Remember that the Total export/imports of 
  canada represents a FULL 
  2/3rds of their GDP!
  
  SIZE does 
  matter!
  
  
  
  Thanks for the add'l example of 
  mindless parroting.
  
  Don't you just HATE 
  Ignorance?
  
  I guess it is better than letting 
  it go to waste.
  
  Lance Muir 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

The 'prophet' (take 
note, David) said otherwise in November. Canada will not suffer the same fate 
at the USA. Size does matter 
but, it's not the only thing that 
matters.

  
  - Original Message 
  ----- 
  
  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 
  08:03
  
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  
  Don't worry 
  Lance, if the USA implodes - Canada and Europe will go with it - at present when 
  the
  
  US sneezes 
  the rest of the world catch a cold. Such envy and jealousy 
  from the North ... Goodness 
  gracious!
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
  MuirMost on TT will live

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




Your buddy JD, the one who sent you the baseball bat; 
apparently he was lucid
enough to accomplish that; the rest of the time he is 
obsessed by dualism.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:28:49 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Who is Gary Olson?
  
  From: 
"ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 








LOL! So true 
as to be hilarious. iz





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

What was dualistic about that 
comment Gary Olson? It is world affairs that's 
all...

You are truly weird, strange, weird 
... Why 
do you truncate what ppl write and insert your 


own comments - ultimately making it 
appear the person said something they did 
not.

Oh I understand - you do the same 
with God's Words. O' the shame of 
it.



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:33:31 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  more 
  evidenceof jt's implicit 
  dualism
  
  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:49:07 -0500 Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

[while 
eschatological] Proof of the pudding is always in the 
eating...[is'nt] Australia..investing workers 
retirement funds in[biblically 
questionable] Real Estate also[?]

Re: [TruthTalk] Truth and Freedom (some food for thought)

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




Of course they did - the two that made it that is 
(Joshua and Caleb) since they didn't return with an (evil) carnal 
report
along withall of the following generation who 
beganwith a fresh copy book.

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:39:33 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Good post -- as far as it goes. What you leave 
  out is this: they never fully arrived !!! God remained 
  patient. Kinda like it is right now. 
  
  jd
  
  From: 
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Truth and freedom go hand in hand, but 
truth will produce freedom only as it is walked in. This ought to be 
self-evident. We can know something is true, but if we fail to walk in it, 
what good is it? Its value to us is worthless unless it is walked 
in.
Freedom and truth come to those who press 
on. Freedom, the kind of freedom that God is involved in bringing us into, 
comes progressively, not all at once. These are lessons from the Days of 
Unleavened Bread. It took the Israelites seven days to get to and across the 
Red Sea. It took them another forty years to get into their own land, into 
their inheritance, the Promised Land.
Their freedom was progressive. There was a 
time when it began, but if they had never continued on the way, they would 
never have had their own land, never have had their inheritance, never have 
been free. 
This is a large part of the object lesson: 
We have to continue. If we continue, then we will truly be a disciple. We 
will understand the truth, and the truth will make usfree. The truth 
of God shows us the real values of life because it shows us what we are to 
give our life to.

Re: [TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




Loved all of your photos Iz,
Beautifulfamily, lovely pets, gracious 
home. How about all those garages; I know that comes in 
handy.

  
  

From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: March 
26, 2006 08:44

Subject: 
[TruthTalk] Izzy and Erin


With my beautiful stepdaughter, Erin, this week. 
Izzy
I sent 
these photos using Adobe(R) Photoshop(R) Elements 4.0. Find out more: http://www.adobe.com/photoshopelementswin

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-26 Thread Judy Taylor




I can empathize with you Lance, it was not that long 
ago for me. I do hope and pray she will
pull through so you can share some more days with 
her. Any official prognosis yet? jt

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 09:14:08 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I spent some time at my mother's bedside reading, 
  praying and talking. She has not opened her eyes.
  
  thanks Iz,
  
  Lance
  
From: ShieldsFamily 


Amen, Lance! Hoping 
all is well with you, izzy





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:06 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
Webster


Or, take your Bible and point to 
Him while saying 'HE IS THE WORD'.

  
  - Original Message - 
  
  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  
  Sent: March 
  26, 2006 08:33
  
  Subject: RE: 
  [TruthTalk] Noah Webster
  
  
  I love Crocodile 
  Dundee because he says, with a glint in his eye, Now THIS is a 
  knife! Life up your Bible and say, Now THIS is the Word! It cuts 
  to the quick and separates the men from the boys! J 
  iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin DeeganSent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 7:25 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  I think it's a "right back atcha" 
  thing 
  
  
  
  Is that so? 
  
  Well, how do you like the fact that some American 
  Company bought the rights to all those Paul Hogan 
  movies?Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

I think it's a 
"right back atcha" thing - for years I would go over there and hear much 
lamenting about

what Americans had 
bought; do you know an American Company now owns the all 
Australian

delicious spread 
called Vegemite?



On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:45:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin 
Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  I've just learned 
  that Australia 
  is investing workers retirement funds in US Real 
  Estate
  
  
  
  They just bought the New York Thruway. Does 
  that mean I need a passport, now?From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy 
  TaylorThanks for this Kevin
  



Proof of the 
pudding is always in the 
eating.


I've just 
learned that Australia 
is investing workers retirement funds in US Real Estate 
also


So Lance and 
his prophet don't have a whole lot of support from "down under" 
either





On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) 
Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  
  Lance says 
  Canada will not 
  suffer the same fate at the USA. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Ah
  
  
  Ah
  
  
   AH 
  CHOO!
  
  
  
  
  
  excuse 
  me
  
  
  
  
  
  348,000 New 
  York jobs are 
  supported by Canada-U.S. trade 
  
  
  
  Total CanadaU.S. merchandise trade: $411 
  billion 
  
  
  CanadaU.S. trade supported 5.2 million 
  U.S. 
  jobs 
  
  
  More people traveled between 
  Canada and NY 
  in 2004 than any other U.S. 
  state 
  
  
  14,500,000 vehicles crossed the 
  Canada-U.S. border at the four Niagara crossings last year, 
  accounting for 34% of all traffic that crossed into Ontario 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  ROTFL
  
  
  With this many US Jobs gone, could CanaDUH 
  rebound?

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Of course it is; JC is the Word of God isn't 
He?
Everytime God speaks - He speaks Truth - and every time 
it is God the Word - JC
Let God be true and every man a liar

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:10:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  then Truth ain't 
  JC
  
  put yet another 
  way, the notionmouthedisbeyond falseness, it is implicitly 
  untrue as is a lie,M'am
  
  
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  

As..we turn Genesis into a statement...
jt: 
..it's 'a statement of TRUTH'

Re: [TruthTalk] Dominion

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




More accurately - the lack of understanding is just 
plain obdurance in those too full
of themselves and their own opinions to yeild to the 
source of understanding all Truth.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 22:00:03 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  ..also,perceptively: 
   "The Lack of 
  understanding is just laziness of thought and lack of effort."
  
  On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:23:04 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
bullseye; v 
understandable, Bro!

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 18:30:28 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Fits the legal definition of LibelJudy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  

||
..you are out there Lance, possiblyin the 
next orbit to Gary.

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor

Interpretation/interpolation/speculation re:Genesis leads one to that 
which one has just witnessed over the last week or so.

- Original Message - 

  From: 
  David 
  Miller 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: March 23, 2006 17:01
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism

  I don't know why you are getting so emotional over this.

  I think that when God spoke, in many situations, it took some time 
  for what he said to take place. For example, if he spoke for the 
  land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say 
  it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said.He 
  also may have been involved in other ways that we don't understand right 
  now. Do you see it differently? It does not have anything to 
  do with resting for the next day.

  David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
Williams on Creationism

David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts 
you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no 
atheist. 

Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours 
of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to 
actually speak) is rather simple -- you have somehow lost 
the context of my statement. My comments go the the notion that 
"day" is not a 24 hour period. To say that it is 
metaphorical doesnot mean that God did not create the 
world and even in the sequence depicted -- at least not to 
me. Such an admission , on my part, does not mean that I 
believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" as we understand that 
term , today. Look -- do you really believe that 
God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 hour 
period of time to rest up !!!?? And "rest up " for 
what? Com'on David, this is impossible. 

jd

-- 
  Original message -- From: "David Miller" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

  Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through 
  faith and speaking? What does how long it takes for him to speak 
  words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into 
  being? I don't understand your point.

  David Miller

- Original Message - 
From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 
5:29 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 
Williams on Creationism

So which fundamentalist version of creation do you 
support. That A  E were spirit people. A 6000 
year date or a 10,000 or an "unknown" e.t. ? The 
version that says it took God 144 hours to speak words that 
canbe spoken in 24 seconds !!! I just 
did it in 24 big ones !! including a drink of 
water because my mouth was getting dry. 

Consensus has NOTHING to do with !! Rad Fundies 
cannot agree on much of anything. Which version goes 
into the school system ??? We are still waiting??

jd

-- 
  Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Don't you get it JT?
  TRUTH is found in CONSENSUS!
  The opinions of Men are the key.Judy Taylor 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

So?
There isn't a single fiew of the whole 
church that is agreed upon
by the whole church either. What 
does that prove? judyt

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I 
  do. I know this -- 
  there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed 
  upon by the whole church. 

  jd

  -- 
Original message -- From: "David Miller" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something 
other than what you have been proffering on TT so far
So why not just admit that you counsel using your own 
theology and that the results belong to you also?. 

jt: How about a statement of 
TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? 

JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I 
counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my 
work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither 
is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the 
above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I 
have said.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  

  What do I believe about Genesis? 
  Did you read any of my posts? 
  Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need 
  for community andan  innate 
  longing to live beyond what we see.As 
  soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its 
  value to the human spirit. 
  
  How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by 
  the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel 
  others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. 
  That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it 
  a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the 
  above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get 
  what I have said.  
  
  What do I get from reading those first three chapters? 
  That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in 
  control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is 
  my creator. I am in His image. 
  
  He is your Creator but you are not in His image 
  unless you have been totally conformed to the image of 
  Christ already - in fact, not in theory 
  only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. 
  Adam and Eve were not created with the 
  nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and 
  nothing more. 
  
  And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round 
  me. It tells me that I was created for others -- 
  my wife, my children and the world in which I live.
  
  The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all 
  of the above? Where?
  Take your Bible, open it to the first 
  pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages 
  and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. 
  
  
  It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work 
  is a curse because I must be responsible !!
  
  Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of 
  your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. 
  
  I and my wife are one 
  becauseGodthought this to be the case from 
  the beginning. and REST 
  has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as 
  work. That's what I get out of this Genesis 
  account.Whilesome of you only see a debate 
  
  
  You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would 
  like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years 
  ago. 
  
  Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case 
  an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes 
  in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , 
  using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO 
  NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version 
  of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were 
  right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore 
  the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to 
  the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into 
  thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of 
  my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I 
  digress with some free advice. 
  
  The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the 
  Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war 
  !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in 
  the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. 
  
  
  jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Divine Contingent Order

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Why? What do they do for you?
It's all about him, his thoughts, his opinions, the 
movies he sees, etc. etc.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:09:26 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  :-) I shall miss these pithy responses. jd
  
  From: 
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

After reading you, I'm inclined toward a 
YES!

  From: Kevin Deegan 
  Was it a BIG 
  Bang?Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  



When one seeks to apply the latter onto the 
former one is simply stymied. In failing to apprehend this one bangs 
one's head against the proverbial wall.
  
  
  Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone 
  Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with 
reality at all. You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that 
are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no 
explanation necessary. He was there!!!

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written? Well - I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that, Judy. I am talking about 
  what is written. 26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is 
  written. Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of 
  creation and this Genesis account. 
  
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot. And you certainly have not debated the issue. This 
  is the third post from you I have opened this morning with absolutely 
  nothing in any of them work responding too. Just negative 
  chit-chat. jd
  
  From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by the 
"fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste" 
 So why does God have to be in a bighurry?
And why can't it be the way it is written? 
Because JD says it does not make sense to him?

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister. Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion. 
  Indeed, I have gotten angry twice, here on TT, both times 
  following one of your priceless comments . Twice in three 
  years (going back a ways .)?!! Not bad, I 
  think. 
  
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s)on this 
  subject. 
  
  There havebeen times, in past postings, that you have been even 
  brilliant in your defense. This is not one of those 
  times. Science and creation is not one of your strong 
  points -- at least not this time around. I suspect 
  that you are distracted with other things. 
  
  To wit: God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into 
  existence - I say. 
  
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
  exactly 144 hours (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living 
  near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if 
  he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a 
  minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he 
  said.
  
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
  honestly, it is a riot over here in my office. "Those dumb old land 
  masses -- they couldn't just POP into place. 
  N0sir-re. It took time for them to move into 
  place -- upwards of several hours 
  !! Com'on big D !! Just admit 
  that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have a point !! 
  
  
  Look -- if you give graduating high school 
  studentsyour kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State - why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would 
  become atheists !! I have seen 
  thishappen many times. Our young people have 
  left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or 
  whatever, and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left 
  naked, poor and numb. 
  
  You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my 
  boys at U of Cal at Davies -- but let me tell you 
  this. I had been working on one line explanations for years before 
  my boys got to school. All ofthose one-liners 
  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief paragraph of thought I gave 
  in another post (the eternity of matter and motion aand the 
  philosophical advantage of going with the eternity of God 
  - thingy). I have talked about "postulated" truth in the 
  past -- that such is considered to be"truth" but 
  without the possibility of PROOF. I have mentioned that science is 
  as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God . 
  all things I could communicate in minutes over the phone. And 
  guess what -- my boys called!!! These guys each won state 
  wrestling championships and I coached them (AND YES I AM MOST 
  DEFINITELY BRAGGING). In some venues , they completely 
  trusted me and with reason. Probably the most important long 
  distance phone call I will ever receive frommy boyswas THAT 
  call -- "Dad, this prof is killing us !! What do we 
  say?" 
  There was no doubt in their minds that The Reply would 
  work. I could have lost both boys the next day in class 
  !! You should have heard that next phone call  the next evening 
  !! Awesome. 
  
  How did I know it would work ? I went to several science

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




You JDhave rejectedsubstance 
unlessconformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but 
mixture.
So what would be the point??

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of 
  the morning) that is absolutely content free 
   talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what 
  goes on in your your posts. 
  
  jd
  
  -- 
Original message ------ From: Judy Taylor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something 
other than what you have been proffering on TT so far
So why not just admit that you counsel using your 
own theology and that the results belong to you also?. 


jt: How about a 
statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? 


JD: That is exactly what I am saying. 
I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my 
work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! 
Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am 
saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that 
you do get what I have said.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  

  What do I believe about 
  Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? 
  Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our 
  need for community andan  innate 
  longing to live beyond what we 
  see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of 
  science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. 
  
  
  How about a statement of TRUTH communicated 
  by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I 
  counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my 
  work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual 
  !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't 
  get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It 
  does not appear that you do get what I have said.  
  
  
  What do I get from reading those first three 
  chapters? That God is in control -- not that 
  He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in 
  control. He is my creator. I am in His 
  image. 
  
  He is your Creator but you are not in His 
  image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of 
  
  Christ already - in fact, not in theory 
  only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. 
  Adam and Eve were not created with 
  the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak 
  and nothing more. 
  
  And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round 
  me. It tells me that I was created for others 
  -- my wife, my children and the world in which I 
  live.
  
  The first three chapters of Genesis tells you 
  all of the above? Where?
  Take your Bible, open it to the first 
  pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those 
  pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. 
  
  
  It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. 
  Work is a curse because I must be responsible !!
  
  Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL 
  of your thoughts as well as your actions. 
  No kidding. 
  
  
  I and my wife are one 
  becauseGodthought this to be the case 
  from the beginning. and REST 
  has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as 
  work. That's what I get out of this Genesis 
  account.Whilesome of you only see a debate 
  
  
  You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord 
  would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many 
  years ago. 
  
  Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my 
  case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer 
  believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be 
  a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO 
  NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not 
  win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas 
  wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do 
  it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give 
  biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his 
  life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. 
  Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older 
  boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I

Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Not so; the statement of a man of God inspired by the 
Spirit of God
"For what if some did not believe? shall their 
unbelief make the faith of
God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be 
true, but every man a liar;
as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in 
thy sayings, and mightest
overcome when thou art judged"

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  myth (feminists' rhetoric) 
  
  
  
  
||

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  ..Let God be 
  true and every man a liar
-

..Funny 
how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? 
iz

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor

The old house was judged at the cross; if you want to
hang on to it JD that's your demise
Probably why you defend carnality so adamantly
also. Only the new men make it because
only they are fit for the Kingdom.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:18:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Selling the old house and building the new house is precisely what does
not happen in new birth. What you moved to avoid is the real
analogy. I am surprised that you think differently.

From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas Willard.

- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 25, 2006 06:20
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian
Thought Police on the march

Isnt that the
truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing, because we realized
that the renovations would never be finished. As soon as you started
to repair one thing it led to another and another. The whole house
needed to be replaced one thing after another! So we built new. What
an analogy of the difference between religion and being born again of
the Holy Spirit. izzy

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 6:05
PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian
Thought Police on the march

There is no such thing as a
"renovated" heart Lance; more misunderstanding which makes me
wonder

about you and your SS
conversion. It is a new heart; the old has passed away - all things
become new.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance Muir"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

My critique of this would be
similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on
an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an
immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern their lives by the
so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten commandments. These also offer up
a social improvement on that which opposes the
foregoing.

Please, please tell me
Kevin, Judy, David and Iz that the genuine 'renovation of the heart'
would/should include all of the above? I do believe that some of y'all
have things ass backwards with that upon which you focus (signage wise
and all).

- Original Message
-

From:
Kevin Deegan

To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent:
March 24, 2006 07:54

Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the
march

The Canadian
Guanatamo

Better be careful with your social context on
the INET Lance!

Are you hating an identifiable
group?

And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I
understand it as an attack on me multiple groups of my friends.
; )

Do you have the telE for the
Tribunal?

Justice in
Canaduh

http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/

passed his second year of incarceration
without charge

Zündel was denied the right to cross-examine
his accusers or to know all the evidence against
him.

Zündel stated that all his alleged crimes are
Internet-related

Canadian Human
Rights Commission "The truth
in some absolute sense really
plays no
role. Rather, it is the social
context in which the message is delivered
and heard which will determine the effect that the communication will
have on the listener. It is not the truth or
falsity per se that will evoke the emotion
but rather how it is
understood by the
recipient.Kevin Deegan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Don't look now
but Canada is changing -
Group Think

Gary North
would be proud of you
folks.

He tried to
bring in New Geneva and by the looks of it you folks have actually

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Then Willard will have to re evaluate - in this area 
anyway
God is not in the business of renovation. He does 
not put new wine in old wineskins. It's a new covenant
(Heb 8:8) for a new ppl in Christ (see 2 Cor 5:17; 2 
Pet 1:4; Eph 4:24; Col 3:10; Gal 6:15). The heavens
and earth will not be renovated either, they will also 
be made new (see (2 Pet 3:13, Rev 21:1). You believe
Willard if you want to - I prefer the higher 
authority.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:08:59 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas Willard. 
  
  
From: ShieldsFamily 


Isnt that the 
truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing, because we realized 
that the renovations would never be finished. As soon as you started 
to repair one thing it led to another and another. The whole house 
needed to be replaced one thing after another! So we built new. What 
an analogy of the difference between religion and being born again of the 
Holy Spirit. izzy





From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of Judy 
Taylor

There is no such thing as a 
"renovated" heart Lance; more misunderstanding which makes me 
wonder

about you and your SS 
conversion. It is a new heart; the old has passed away - all things 
become new.



On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  My critique of this would be 
  similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an improvement on an 
  uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an improvement on an immoral 
  one. Granted that some attempt to govern their lives by the so-called 
  'golden rule' or, by the ten commandments. These also offer up a social 
  improvement on that which opposes the 
  foregoing.
  
  
  
  Please, please tell me Kevin, 
  Judy, David and Iz that the genuine 'renovation of the heart' would/should 
  include all of the above? I do believe that some of y'all have things ass 
  backwards with that upon which you focus (signage wise and 
  all).
  

- Original Message - 


From: Kevin Deegan 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: 
March 24, 2006 07:54

Subject: Re: 
[TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the 
march





The Canadian 
Guanatamo 

Better be careful with your social context on 
the INET Lance!

Are you hating an identifiable 
group?

And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt me, I 
understand it as an attack on me  multiple groups of my friends. ; 
)

Do you have the telE for the 
Tribunal?



Justice in 
Canaduh

http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/

passed his second year of incarceration without 
charge

Zündel was denied the right to cross-examine his 
accusers or to know all the evidence against 
him.

Zündel stated that all his alleged crimes are 
Internet-related



Canadian Human 
Rights Commission "The truth in 
some absolute sense really plays no 
role. Rather, it is the social 
context in which the message is delivered and 
heard which will determine the effect that the communication will have 
on the listener. It is not the truth or 
falsity per se that will evoke the emotion 
but rather how it is 
understood by the 
recipient.Kevin Deegan 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

  
  Don't look now 
  but Canada is changing - Group 
  Think
  
  Gary North would 
  be proud of you folks.
  
  He 
  tried to bring in New Geneva and by the looks of it you folks have 
  actually suceeded!
  
  
  
  Robert 
  Martin,professor of constitutional law at the University of Western Ontario "Canada now is a 
  totalitarian theocracy. I see this as a country ruled today by what I 
  would describe as a secular state religion [of political correctness]. 
  Anything that is regarded as 
  heresy or blasphemy is 
  not tolerated."
  
  
  
  Be careful there have been 
  Inquisitions against professors who attack American Foriegn policy. 
  Hope you do not get turned in, for your 
  thoughts!

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Which is just continuingon doing what they are 
already doing but all but the most gullible
have enough sense to know there are no part monkey/part 
humans on this planet .

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:36:20 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Solution: teach false 
  theories. 
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:33 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
  Creationism
  
  
  What's scary is that you think the solution is to have 
  an antagonistic educator "teach" what he does not believe -- you 
  thinking, of course, that he will do so without commentary that thoroughly 
  negates the purpose of this compromise. In the real world, 
  Linda, you simply cannot construct a model in which this will work to 
  our (the Christian church -- whose address do we use , again ??) 
  favor. In fact, to get all the warring factions to agree, the 
  stateent on creationism would be so watered down as to be really 
  meaningless. 
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Scary to the max. 






From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
On Behalf Of 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:14 
AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
on Creationism


Of course. But that is not really the issue. 




  -- Original message -- 
  From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  So IYO it is 
  better to have secular folk teaching untruth than truth. I 
  see. izzy
  
  
  
  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:46 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; 
  TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams 
  on Creationism
  
  
  It's not what is taught (for me and in this case) 
  so much as it is WHO TEACHES THEM. You want the secular 
  world to be responsible -- I don't. 
  
  
  
  
  jd
  
  
  
-- Original message -- 
From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 So, here we are, back to the fact that IF you believed 
something to be true  you would NOT want children to be taught 
about it. Can you see why some of  us aren't following your 
logic? iz   -Original Message-  From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
 Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:28 AM  To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism  
 IZ:No, I would not.- Original 
Message -  From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
OM> To:  Sent: March 25, 2006 
06:14  ; Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
gt; Dodging the question, as usual. iz 
-Original Message-   
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir 
  Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 4:54 PM   To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
It ain't true. It's a hyperbolic 
hypothetical, Iz. .   - 
Original Message -   From: "ShieldsFamily" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  To: 
  Sent: March 24, 2006 17:16 
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
  That wasn't the question; 
I asked whether IF you believe it were true,   you 
  would want it taught in schools. You said NO. 
Pathetic, eh? iz -Original 
Message-   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf 
Of Lance Muir   Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 3:49 PM 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism 
David you are like so right, man! 
familiaritycontempt...were those   the  
 words? Probably got it comin'.
 Actually Lady Iz, I prefer that untruth NOT be taught in 
schools (i.e.   creationism)
   - Original Mes sage -  
 From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To:   Sent: March 24, 2006 
16:35   Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on 
Creationism   So 
you prefer that untruth be taught in scho ols. That's all that's 
  left.   Pathetic IMO. izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor

You don't know me JD, never have and never will ... not
at this rate anyway
As a man believeth in his heart, so is he

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:39:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Judy, you are as carnal a spirited babe as I have ever known. So
get off your high horse. There is a difference between defending
sin and admitting to its presence.

From:
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The old house was judged at the cross; if you want
to hang on to it JD that's your demise
Probably why you defend carnality so adamantly
also. Only the new men make it because
only they are fit for the Kingdom.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:18:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Selling the old house and building the new house is precisely what
does not happen in new birth. What you moved to avoid is
the real analogy. I am surprised that you think differently.

From:
"Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

'Renovation of the Heart' by Dallas
Willard.

- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 25, 2006 06:20
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Canadian
Thought Police on the march

Isnt that
the truth? We sold our 100 year old house, for one thing, because we
realized that the renovations would never be finished. As soon
as you started to repair one thing it led to another and
another. The whole house needed to be replaced one thing after
another! So we built new. What an analogy of the difference
between religion and being born again of the Holy Spirit.
izzy

From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorSent: Friday,
March 24, 2006 6:05 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian
Thought Police on the march

There is no such
thing as a "renovated" heart Lance; more misunderstanding which makes
me wonder

about you and
your SS conversion. It is a new heart; the old has passed away -
all things become new.

On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 08:06:30 -0500 "Lance
Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

My critique of this
would be similar to your own. Granted that a civil society is an
improvement on an uncivil one. Granted that a moral society is an
improvement on an immoral one. Granted that some attempt to govern
their lives by the so-called 'golden rule' or, by the ten
commandments. These also offer up a social improvement on that which
opposes the foregoing.

Please, please tell me
Kevin, Judy, David and Iz that the genuine 'renovation of the heart'
would/should include all of the above? I do believe that some of
y'all have things ass backwards with that upon which you focus
(signage wise and all).

- Original Message
-

From: Kevin Deegan

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Sent: March 24, 2006
07:54

Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Canadian Thought Police on the
march

The Canadian
Guanatamo

Better be careful with your social context
on the INET Lance!

Are you hating an identifiable
group?

And your comments on "FUNDIES" have hurt
me, I understand it as an attack on me multiple groups of my
friends. ; )

Do you have the telE for the
Tribunal?

Justice in
Canaduh

http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/petersen02272005/

passed his second year of incarceration
without charge

Zündel was denied the right to
cross-examine his accusers or to know all the evidence against
him.

Re: [TruthTalk] Noah Webster

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor




Hatred? To me it sounds like good 
sense
My late father in law used to respond to the pundits 
who said the church was full of hypocrites the same way ie:
"I'd rather go to church with them than go to hell with 
them.."

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:43:12 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Do you still harbor that much hatred? 
  Sad!
  
From: ShieldsFamily 


Funny, my 
ex-husband referred to Christianity as fantasyland. I told him Id 
rather live in fantasyland than in hell with him. Same to you and 
your belief system, I guess. iz





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance 
Muir

No wonder you favour 
homeschooling! Hello fantasyland. Did you build a bunker and stock it with 
survivalist gear? Is it coffee that you wake up to smell or the odour of 
decaying infrastructure?

  
  From: ShieldsFamily 
  
  
  
  
  
  More liberal 
  negativism and fear mongering. Wishing evil upon ones neighbor. 
  This is nasty fruit that turns the stomach and repels the Holy Spirit. Im 
  not denying that such may happen, but only Screwtape and Wormwood should 
  be cheering it on from the sidelines. iz
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:24 
  AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Noah 
  Webster
  
  
  Most on TT will live to see 
  the implosion of the USA. At what point will you 
  declare bankruptcy. You don't have the option of moving out of your old 
  house and into a new one.
  

- Original Message - 


From: ShieldsFamily 


To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 


Sent: 
March 25, 2006 07:13

Subject: 
[TruthTalk] Noah Webster


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noah_Webster

As a teacher, he had come to dislike 
American elementary schools. They could be overcrowded, with up to 
seventy children of all ages crammed into one-room 
schoolhouses, poorly staffed with untrained teachers, and poorly 
equipped with no desks and unsatisfactory textbooks which came from England. 
Webster thought that Americans should learn from American books, so he 
began writing a three volume compendium, A Grammatical Institute of the English 
Language. The work consisted of a speller (published in 1783), a grammar 
(published in 1784), and a reader 
(published in 1785). His goal was to 
provide a uniquely American, Christ-centered approach to training 
children.
The speller was originally entitled The First Part of the Grammatical Institute 
of the English Language. The title was changed in 1786 to The American Spelling Book, and 
again in 1829 
to The Elementary Spelling 
Book. Most people called it the "Blue-Backed Speller" because 
of its blue cover, and for the next one hundred years, Webster's book 
taught children how to read, spell, and pronounce words. It was the most 
popular American book of its time; by 1861, it was selling a 
million copies per year, and its royalty of less than one cent per copy 
was enough to sustain Webster in his other endeavors. Even Ben Franklin used 
Webster's book to teach his granddaughter how to 
read.

Noah was generally known to be Christian. It is 
reported that Noah Websters 1828 American Dictionary contains the 
greatest number of Biblical definitions given 
in any reference volume. Webster considered "education useless without 
the Bible."

  "In my view, the Christian religion is the 
  most important and one of the first things in which all children, 
  under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more 
  evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis 
  of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a 
  free people. (Preface to the 1828 edition of Webster's American Dictionary of the English 
  Language ) 
Besides his dictionary, Webster also released 
his own translation of the Bible in 1833. In doing the 
translation, Webster used the King James 
Version as a base. He consulted the Hebrew and Greek along with 
various other versions and commentaries.

Re: [TruthTalk] Canadian Thought Police on the march

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor

And why is it present? Not enough power emanating
from the cross to get rid of it yet?
The scripture Izzy posted this morning about the
Kingdom suffering violence and the violent taking
it by force is all about sin JD. If you don't
hate it as much as God does in your life and the lives of
others you will never press in; the word is #971 Blazo
- means to overpower, compel, press in with
energy.

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:39:15 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

There is a difference between defending sin and admitting to its
presence.