Bye all - time to stop

2009-10-12 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 11/10/2009 11:52, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: Il 10/10/2009 21:16, Peteris Krisjanis ha scritto: Sorry, I can't agree more either. You don't even offer your reasoning why there is no strong reasons. For me, integrity, visual style, etc. makes it much better and welcome in Ubuntu desktop

Re: Pulse audio

2009-10-11 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 10/10/2009 21:16, Peteris Krisjanis ha scritto: Sorry, I can't agree more either. You don't even offer your reasoning why there is no strong reasons. For me, integrity, visual style, etc. makes it much better and welcome in Ubuntu desktop than Pidgin. And it has been a class example why we

Re: Pulse audio

2009-10-09 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 08:40 -0400, Daniel Chen wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it wrote: The real problem that nobody seemed ever to be getting is that when you introduce huge regressions, then you probably should 1) either not distribute

Re: Pulse audio

2009-10-08 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On Wed, 2009-10-07 at 23:32 -0400, Daniel Chen wrote: Granted, fixing things upstream is generally smiled upon more so than focusing on a particular distribution. In the case of stellar Ubuntu audio bugs, perhaps contributing more than just testing is way forward? The real problem that

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 27/07/2009 10:52, Alan Pope ha scritto: ..or read his blog post about it:) http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html (which I can see Vincenzo already has, and has indeed commented on it [assuming that's Vincenzo]). When someone

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 27/07/2009 10:46, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto: On sam., 2009-07-25 at 16:45 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: 1) on this list, nobody knows the answer. I think this is likely. Then, the custom search should be removed from firefox. Nobody knows why it is there. You seem to jump to a weird

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 27/07/2009 12:26, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto: (could you stop private copying me and reply on the list?) On lun., 2009-07-27 at 12:16 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: Sebastian: did you notice another message that has been there for one year? How does that change the fact that the people

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Are you not part of this community? No, I am not a developer. I am part of the broader community of ubuntu users (I do lots of bug reporting). If I write to ubuntu-devel-discuss maybe there is some developer on it, and maybe they can even communicate between each other. But let us stop

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
I understand that you're annoyed because you feel an issue that's important to you has been ignored for a long time, but venting your feelings to the list is never productive. You are more likely to get useful responses if you focus on constructive areas of debate, and ignore irrelevant

The google custom search

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
[Please notice the cross-post and use the reply button accordingly] As there were many bugs related to the subject in launchpad, I did not consider the possibility that a separate bug on the phylosophical issue could be filed. I was convinced to do that on IRC. Communication is good. Here I

Re: The google custom search

2009-07-27 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 27/07/2009 17:42, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: the forms submitted to ubuntu.com The forms are not submitted to ubuntu.com so that is a non-issue. Changed the bug accordingly. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
[1]: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/08/28/mozilla-extends-lucrative-deal-with-google-for-3-years/ Oli, thanks for this link. So next time I'll see some crappy microsoft search engine by default in internet explorer I will not laugh at their users anymore. V. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 26/07/2009 03:34, Jan Claeys ha scritto: The custom search is quite annoying and intrusive. I've resorted to using the binary download. Eh, you know that you can add/remove whatever search engine you want, don't you? Jan, did you read my e-mails? It is clear to everybody that 1) we

Re: The google custom search - and the invasion of the multisearch

2009-07-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
The worst thing of it all is that whenever ubuntu touches firefox (e.g. I installed today the italian localization because when I installed karmic it was not available) it OVERWRITES MY SETTINGS WITH YOURS. I call this hammering and normally would ban the user, except that I can't yet ban

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
The fact that there is nobody willing to reply (I posted a similar message one year ago, so this is certainly not a matter of time) can mean only two things: 1) on this list, nobody knows the answer. I think this is likely. Then, the custom search should be removed from firefox. Nobody knows

Re: The google custom search

2009-07-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 25/07/2009 17:55, Mario Vukelic ha scritto: Not sure if this is what you are writing about, but you will probably want to read it: http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html Dear Mario, unfortunately this is not what I am talking

Re: The google custom search - perhaps it went there by itself?

2009-07-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 25/07/2009 17:36, dan ha scritto: The custom search is quite annoying and intrusive. I've resorted to using the binary download. Me too, but my concern is: is it worth to continue pushing ubuntu among my friends and colleagues, if they pass over such an issue without commenting? I do not

Re: The google custom search - clarification

2009-07-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
I see that there are open bugs in launchpad about the google custom search, mostly related to the multisearch add-on. This is said to be in testing. But my e-mail is about the default firefox home page, and the necessity to push a google custom search anyways. The default page was the custom

Re: a safer system

2009-07-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 23/07/2009 04:43, Anthony G Weitekamp ha scritto: In short, the install of any one new application should never effect the operation of the entire system. What do I need? Separate Linux installations for each group of tasks that I may be working on? Really? This is completely out of

Re: Reporting usability problems, and an example that I'd like you ALL to read

2009-07-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 23/07/2009 12:05, Andrew Sayers ha scritto: Hi Vincenzo, You might have more luck if you describe your changes as feature requests. Whether or not you personally think they're bugs, calling them new features should avoid the always been that way reaction from developers. Hi Andrew, if

Re: Reporting usability problems, and an example that I'd like you ALL to read

2009-07-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 23/07/2009 15:28, Sebastien Bacher ha scritto: On jeu., 2009-07-23 at 13:40 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: I agree with the issues you raise. Let me see if I can even be propositive. Things are often not as clear as you think, read the list of all the bugs users suggested

Re: Reporting usability problems, and an example that I'd like you ALL to read

2009-07-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 23/07/2009 18:17, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: - no underestimation of the person reporting the bug or discussing. Members of the team are supposed to know what usability is, so if at a first glance it seems they are saying something stupid, perhaps a second look is needed. Acting like

The google custom search

2009-07-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Dear all, today I noticed that the consistency problem between the default ubuntu start page, which is a custom google search, and the search box at the top-right of firefox, has finally been solved. Now also the search box is a custom search. I already tried to raise the problem that average

Reporting usability problems: please be more tolerant when you triage bugs!

2009-07-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Dear all, sorry for crossposting, please notice it before replying to all. I tend to report all usability bugs I find, in the hope that ubuntu will become better. The hudred-papercut effort shows that I am not wrong in reporting those as bugs. However, it is very easy that a developer does

Re: Reporting usability problems: please be more tolerant when you triage bugs!

2009-07-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 22/07/2009 18:47, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: Dear all, sorry for crossposting, please notice it before replying to all. I am possibly a bit of an idiot for what I did, but luckily the other list which has nothing to do with my target has a moderator. I generate too much noise. My

Re: Reporting usability problems: please be more tolerant when you triage bugs!

2009-07-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 22/07/2009 19:04, Henrique Almeida ha scritto: Agreed. Ubuntu developers either don't understand my usability reports or tag them as low priority bugs, which gets triaged for many releases. This is because these are not crashers and typically just affect a small portion of the

Re: Reporting usability problems: please be more tolerant when you triage bugs!

2009-07-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il 22/07/2009 22:53, Mikus Grinbergs ha scritto: Let me suggest that Ubuntu appoint an usability triager/ombudsman, to determine (from the Ubuntu users' perspective, not from an Ubuntu developers' perspective) how much attention ought to be paid to each and every usability-related bug report.

Re: The haskell platform in ubuntu?

2009-07-18 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 18/07/2009 alle 00.32 +0200, Jan Claeys ha scritto: Debian unstable experimental are updated all the time, so as long as the Debian maintainer keeps the package up-to-date, there will be a new version every 6 months in Ubuntu too? Hmm yes this is likely obvious but: is it

The haskell platform in ubuntu?

2009-07-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Dear all, there exists an haskell platform¹, which is supposed to be a single set of libraries and tools across many operating systems. Notably, the platform includes the cabal tool. More often than not, people give up on using the ubuntu haskell packages because they want to use cabal. Can

I beg your attention on a regression

2009-07-13 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Dear all, my internal intel wireless card is never going to work well with my home router (*ANY* other card *AND* the same card under windows work fine, intel has not been able to truly solve the problem across years). I bought an external card some time ago. It's now broken in karmic. This

Re: Standing in the street trying to hear yourself think

2009-07-03 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On gio, 2009-07-02 at 21:03 -0400, Evan wrote: Coincidentally, Bryce recently posted a couple of blog posts dealing with Me too storms on launchpad [1]+[2] which are related. They want their problem fixed, they can do nothing, they feel frustrated, plus, they are used to small groups or

Re: Standing in the street trying to hear yourself think - ii

2009-07-03 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On ven, 2009-07-03 at 10:10 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: On gio, 2009-07-02 at 21:03 -0400, Evan wrote: Coincidentally, Bryce recently posted a couple of blog posts dealing with Me too storms on launchpad [1]+[2] which are related. They want their problem fixed, they can do nothing

Re:

2009-06-30 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On gio, 2009-06-25 at 19:33 +1000, chris jackson wrote: Hi -I am trying to install an adobe flash plugin to my ubuntu program but a window keeps coming up saying that I need a password to grant administrative rights.How do I get this password??? Chris Jackson Hi Chris this is the

Re: Pidgin and Yahoo! login

2009-06-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 25/06/2009 alle 13.11 +0200, Martin Soto ha scritto: Indeed, you can currently work around the problem by connecting to a server that still supports the older protocol. Yahoo! could deactivate this alternative server at any time, though. Martin, please could you advice a

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 25/06/2009 alle 13.40 +0200, Martin Soto ha scritto: I'm convinced that expert users are, by far, the hardest to migrate. Efforts like AppCenter will definitely help in this area, but we should think of making available a Quick Migration Guide for Veteran Windows Users as

Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 24/06/2009 alle 08.23 +0200, Martin Pitt ha scritto: We don't propose to retroactively default to it in Jaunty. :-) Of course we will revert to Pidgin if Empathy doesn't get stable/useful enough by Karmic beta. Thank you for noting this. Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mer, 2009-06-24 at 14:36 +0200, andreas-...@warperbbs.de wrote: Nicolò Chieffo wrote: http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Git FYI: I made a ppa with daily build of empathy and telepathy-glib, available here: https://edge.launchpad.net/~amoog/+archive/empathy-daily This should aid in

Re: Provide a GUI option in the installer to enable popcon

2009-06-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 24/06/2009 alle 20.52 +0100, Andrew Sayers ha scritto: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Andrew Sayers wrote on 23/06/09 17:55: We're constantly trying to make the Ubuntu installation process simpler. And explaining the Popularity Contest in an understandable way, in the

Re: Fallback plan if Empathy isn't ready for Karmic?

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 22/06/2009 alle 19.04 +0100, Andrew Sayers ha scritto: The plan is to make sure that these bugs are all fixed in time for Karmic, but what's the backup plan if there are still showstoppers when the release starts to get closer? More precisely, when, where and how

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 19.17 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Yeah uh...it isn't real LaTeX. Take the source you can view in LyX, save it, and run it through the latex command and watch it fail utterly. Could you provide an example file? I usually cut and paste tables from lyx

Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
[CC-ing ayatana, if this is wrong just tell me] Today I tried empathy on my karmic testing system. Here are the scores. The last part IS VERY IMPORTANT please read it too. Don't thake my comments as angry, I'm just in a hurry. +1 The first time I launch it, it offers me to import accounts from

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 18:04 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: Sayersandrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org wrote: who don't feel like compiling their IM client from source every day. you are definitely right, anyway now empathy is actively developed, and the only way to test it is git Nah. I

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 16:58 +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote: Could you give us some idea of when a testable version will land in Karmic? We've got two months left until the final decision on whether this becomes as significant a part of Ubuntu as Firefox or OpenOffice, so it would be nice

Re: [Ayatana] Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:00 +0200, Sense Hofstede wrote: Hello, There is an PPA at https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/ppa. Unfortunately it gives you 2.27.2, instead of the latest 2.27.3. It is a start, though, and I expect 2.27.3 to be uploaded soon. Very kind of you. Will test

Re: Empathy is not in line with the much discussed guidelines

2009-06-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On mar, 2009-06-23 at 19:13 +0200, Nicolò Chieffo wrote: as I was saying 2.27.3 is already old. You need to be synchronized to a current git version of empathy, weather it is self compiled or from an external PPA. ah, ok so I will not test the PPA :) Didn't check the version number.

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-21 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 20/06/2009 alle 12.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Seeing as that's optional, yes you did. I find the copying useful since well...if it didn't copy them, it'd be like GThumb, pretending to organize my camera (not actually changing the filesystem by the way, just

Re: AMD/ATI vs NVIDIA vs Intel

2009-06-21 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 21/06/2009 alle 03.26 -0400, Danny Piccirillo ha scritto: NVIDIA has linux drivers, but none of them are open (there is a project for that but nvidia doesn't offer open drivers themselves). Intel has open drivers, but we all hate Intel for one reason or another. Or just

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-20 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 19/06/2009 Alan Pope wrote: 2009/6/19 Danny Piccirillo danny.picciri...@ubuntu.com: And sadly, Banshee (mono) may soon be replacing Rhythmbox in Ubuntu Lets not go down that road huh? I have nothing against mono myself but in my opinion rhythmbox and gthumb cover the basic

Re: Replace Tomboy with Gnote?

2009-06-19 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno ven, 19/06/2009 alle 09.32 +0100, Scott James Remnant ha scritto: Don't forget the question wasn't whether to add Gnote, the question was whether to replace Tomboy with Gnote. What does Gnote have/do that Tomboy doesn't? It does not use mono; I think the only two applications

Re: about empathy as the default IM application

2009-06-18 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 14.40 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Daniel would know better, but based on what he's explained: I'd guess Empathy would deal better with audio than Skype would simply because Empathy doesn't try to abuse the ALSA API or do silly things to /proc like

Re: about empathy as the default IM application

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 16/06/2009 Ken VanDine wrote: If you really need OTR, you can install pidgin. All the users I've shown OTR to agreed it's an extremely good thing to have. You can not know if your boss is watching you. Cryptography tools available for the masses in an easy way is another way to distinguish

Re: Better clipboard management?

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 02.15 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo ha scritto: been using parcelite since Jaunty, and it seem to be in good state on karmic. +1 from me I recall clipboard managers were problematic, e.g. openoffice was continuously updating the selection. Don't remember

Re: about empathy as the default IM application

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 08.29 -0700, George Farris ha scritto: I agree and use OTR all the time, however, if more people start using Empathy then hopefully an OTR plugin will be ported sooner rather than later. Yes I agree. Another option would be for Canonical or Gnome to find

Re: about empathy as the default IM application

2009-06-17 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 17/06/2009 alle 13.16 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Nevermind the fact that Empathy replacing Pidgin eventually was discussed at UDS *Jaunty* 6 months ago with a let's aim for Jaunty+1 outcome and then re- discussed at UDS Karmic. There's been 6 months to get input.

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-10 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 19.43 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto: to MONO boosters, MONO is a religion: http://nocturn.vsbnet.be/node/142 To UBUNTU boosters, UBUNTU is a religion. I am not surprised by this. V. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-10 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 20.02 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto: Maybe you should go start an I HATE MONO!!! mailing list, Mark, where you can dispense your bile without fear of having anyone point out that you're doing nothing to add light here, only heat. no wonder you got

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-09 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 08/06/2009 alle 20.50 -0300, Derek Broughton ha scritto: That's not an argument, it's a complete misdirection. Are you really just fink using different nym? Professional trolling here at work. Do the communist have to do with the plan? Just to know on what side I want to

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-09 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 09.48 -0400, Mark Fink ha scritto: that's a LOT of bloat also programs like Gnote are GPL3 so you are protected from patents Come on this is the only fair criticism that I have seen until now; I think we still don't ship timidity fonts and have broken midi

Re: shameful censoring of mono opposition

2009-06-09 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 12.14 -0400, Christopher Olah ha scritto: It appears to me that the most important point has been forgotten: the accusations of censorship. This, if true, is very alarming... We can bicker over Mono all we like, but if people are being censored, like the OP

Re: Properly identifying applications

2009-06-09 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 09/06/2009 alle 16.55 +0200, David MENTRE ha scritto: I agree. Displaying a Document Viewer (evince) or Document Viewer / evince would be a big plus. Yes also because this is needed when talking to ordinary non-technical users e.g. my mother on the phone I could not see the

Re: On apturls and repositories

2009-06-07 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 06/06/2009 alle 23.55 -0400, Martin Owens ha scritto: Is it? I didn't think is was the port that defined the protocol but the nature of the messages sent over the connection. The port is a default but not a requirement, like ssh or ftp. I think the point here is that the

Re: On apturls and repositories

2009-06-02 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 02/06/2009 alle 12.03 +0200, Alexander Sack ha scritto: I agree. Instead of talking about allowing PPAs to be enabled through apturl, we should improve the way PPAs can be enabled in software-sources and app-center which was also one of the results of the UDS discussions we

Re: On apturls and repositories

2009-06-02 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 02/06/2009 alle 11.37 -0300, Derek Broughton ha scritto: I beg to differ. A user who is going to install software of dubious origins will install it whether it's click-through or not. You're merely annoying people who want to install known, reliable, software (virtualbox

Re: Configuration of OPAL

2009-05-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mar, 26/05/2009 alle 14.45 +0200, Antonio ha scritto: I installed libopal3.6.1-dev and libpt2.6.1-dev in order to compile samples of OPAL like ivrOPAL. But if I run make pathes like $OPALDIR and $PTLIBDIR are not set. How do I configure this things afterwards? You put the

Cron jobs too heavy for ordinary systems (system completely unusable for a while)

2009-05-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Hi all, I am running jaunty. Sometimes, randomly, the disk starts spinning (I hear the noise and see the light) and the system becomes unusable. Often, to gain control of a shell (even in console) is a matter of waiting minutes and eventually, when I finally can do some top iotop or ps to

Re: Cron jobs too heavy for ordinary systems (system completely unusable for a while)

2009-05-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 23/05/2009 alle 13.10 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: Hi all, I am running jaunty. Sometimes, randomly, the disk starts spinning (I hear the noise and see the light) and the system becomes unusable. Often, to gain control of a shell (even in console) is a matter

Re: Cron jobs too heavy for ordinary systems (system completely unusable for a while)

2009-05-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 23/05/2009 alle 09.55 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: Sounds fairly normal to me...heck, only 100MB for Firefox? I'm surprised to see that Firefox is currently using only 462MB for me. It's usually at least 700MB, sometimes over 1GB just for that process.

Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?

2009-05-21 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 21/05/2009 alle 14.16 +0200, Markus Hitter ha scritto: Well, xorg is based on (or part of) X, which is about 20 years old. X was considered to be mature for some time, and severly behind a few years later. Do you really think there is something like a maturity which

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-15 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno ven, 15/05/2009 alle 12.56 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: It became incompatible with the router? I didn't think that was possiblethough it is true that iwl3945 had some growing pains. I found that a Broadcom-based laptop I had had about double the range the iwl3945

A bug in openoffice that affects disabled persons, needs attention

2009-05-15 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Hi all, this bug has been perhaps brought up on this list other times. On the ubuntu philosophy it is loudly stated that ubuntu should work equally well for disabled persons and the rest of the world so perhaps some more manpower (if there is anybody able to work with the ooo source code indeed)

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 14/05/2009 alle 02.47 +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs ha scritto: User-defined commands - Tick; RefTex - bibliography completion - Tick preview-latex - Why do I need it when I have auto-refresh of Xdvi But ok =D Please let us stop this. I know emacs. 10 years ago I was a

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 14/05/2009 alle 21.26 +0900, Emmet Hikory ha scritto: Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: (and sometimes different priorities for the same package: seeking new features until personal use cases are addressed, and then wanting the package to be stable from that point forward). Very good

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-14 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 14/05/2009 alle 09.54 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto: I became involved with the developement and then gave up, when I recognised that ubuntu needed manpower. More volunteers are needed, so I'll stop volunteering...what? Just a badly constructed sentence: I

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-13 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 14/05/2009 alle 00.11 +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs ha scritto: Lack of Decent Latex Support? I've switched to ubuntu because of it. I was sick of realising that I'm missing this or that latex package. in ubuntu I did default average (a little bit of extra math fonts)

Re: Current situation of amarok, and of latex tools

2009-05-13 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 13/05/2009 alle 17.47 -0400, Daniel T Chen ha scritto: Ubuntu is a community-driven distribution. Help make it as good as it can be. There is no I cannot, only I will not. I tried for a while (can brag about a couple of xournal and lyx uploads) but for me the consumed time

Re: The awesome software sources adding feature

2009-05-11 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 07/05/2009 alle 09.14 -0700, Dylan McCall ha scritto: So, in getting that rolling, I copied over sources.list from my desktop to my netbook. Noticed I could open that file with Software Sources! The program promptly appeared, offering to add all those repositories to my

Re: Spoke too early

2009-04-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 25/04/2009 alle 20.44 +0200, Andreas Wenning ha scritto: Until now I've only heard talk about the reverse search, and that was the reason for bringing kdvi back in Intrepid. You might be right that forward search doesn't work in Okular; then that is indeed a valid

Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!

2009-04-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 20.14 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: Precisely. I packaged kdvi from KDE 3 kdegrapics as a stopgap to provide this capability in Intrepid since no KDE4 package provided it in KDE 4.1. It's time has now passed. Indeed, okular is doing reverse

Spoke too early

2009-04-25 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno sab, 25/04/2009 alle 18.29 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia ha scritto: Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 20.14 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: Precisely. I packaged kdvi from KDE 3 kdegrapics as a stopgap to provide this capability in Intrepid since no KDE4 package provided it in KDE

Re: Ubuntu Gaming Team

2009-04-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno ven, 24/04/2009 alle 14.48 +0300, Dotan Cohen ha scritto: Yes, but look what happens when game devs try to port their work to Linux: http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/09/mini-rant.html No wonder they stay far away. I looked at the blog post you pointed out. You should stay

Re: No inverse searches for dvi files in ubuntu - please read!

2009-04-24 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 16/10/2008 alle 22.27 -0400, Scott Kitterman ha scritto: The story has a happy ending. Today kdvi got back into the archive after I bent the old kdegraphics package from KDE3 into building it in a way that's compatible with the kdegraphics package from KDE4. Scott K

Re: dynamic executables ?

2009-04-23 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno gio, 23/04/2009 alle 10.15 +0100, richard ha scritto: I'm stuck in the position that I'm using Eagle on the MDV partition, as its not functioning at all in ubuntuamd64. Your eagle copy is a 32 bit executable, while your machine is running at 64bit. Probably you have installed MDV

Re: dynamic executables ?

2009-04-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 22/04/2009 alle 15.19 +0100, richard ha scritto: richar...@richard-g8jvm:~/eagle-5.5.0/bin$ ldd ./eagle not a dynamic executable The output from file eagle? V. -- It is also important to note that hedgehogs do not actually hurt each other when they get close to

Re: Looking at Package Management for Karmic or Karmic+1

2009-04-06 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 05/04/2009 alle 22.45 +0200, Remco ha scritto: Are there any problems with enabling automatic updates by default? Most users don't care about updates to the point that they never install them. I think that one of the aspects is the following: as an update may *always* create a

Please don't automatic upgrade

2009-04-06 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 06/04/2009 alle 08.00 -0400, Andrew Barbaccia ha scritto: Now that the Updates Available window opens by itself, it may help for it to contain a checkbox for installing future updates by default. +1. I would say keep

Re: Please don't automatic upgrade

2009-04-06 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 06/04/2009 alle 16.32 +0300, Lars Wirzenius ha scritto: As you point out, it is not possible to guarantee that. However, it is probably best to point out that not upgrading can also harm things, when it is about security updates. Thus, it would perhaps be best to enable

Re: Please don't automatic upgrade

2009-04-06 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
By the way, when was the last time an update (in a stable release) broke X? September 2006 is the last (and only!) one I remember. Ever since then, there's this horrible fear...come on, the lesson was learned, and kernels aren't being released until their accompanying modules are done

The new logout design can cause unwanted reboots

2009-04-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Hi all, I recall that ctrl+alt+backspace was disabled because it can be hit accidentally. A similar thing happened to me; I experienced an unwanted reboot and it's not so pleasant, even if I didn't loose any work. I hit ctrl+alt+canc by mistake that is, trying to do something else; I likely had

Strange kind of spam related to this list

2009-04-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
I am receiving more and more blub messages from www-d...@enforcer.homedns.org, in response to messages that I posted on this list. I attach an example, if someone has information about it just let me know. Thanks Vincenzo ---BeginMessage--- blub ---End Message--- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss

Re: The new logout design can cause unwanted reboots

2009-04-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 01/04/2009 alle 11.30 +0100, Mat Tomaszewski ha scritto: This is a very valid point. We are currently investigating possible alternative solutions and we're hoping to introduce a much better experience as soon as possible (sorry no commitments as yet!) Thanks for raising

Re: The new logout design can cause unwanted reboots

2009-04-01 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno mer, 01/04/2009 alle 16.05 +0100, Matthew Paul Thomas ha scritto: ... I hit ctrl+alt+canc by mistake that is, trying to do something else; I likely had some full screen window, hence the popup must have finished below other windows. I have a decent monitor now (19'') and I

Notifications as instant messages?

2009-03-30 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Mark Shuttleworth ha scritto: And I see your point! We've been focused on the idea that the action itself should be immediately accessible to the user (rather than a notification followed by a clickable panel icon followed by the action :-)). But the windows itself could be minimised.

Re: Notifications as instant messages?

2009-03-30 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno lun, 30/03/2009 alle 06.38 -0600, Charlie Kravetz ha scritto: While I think this might have great merit, I have to question what happens to those who do not run any type of IM? I have, I think, started pidgin one time on my system, to test it. However, I do run any instant

Re: [Fwd: Re: [Bug 332945] Re: [Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information]

2009-03-29 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 28/03/2009 Scott Kitterman wrote: I agree. The feedback on this particular change has been so overwhelimingly negative already that if any amount of discussion would result in change it would have happened already. It seems that an incredibly negative feedback will not stimulate any

Jaunty is wonderful

2009-03-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Since I always complain of stuff, I want to send a post to say that I am using jaunty on my office machine and I am in love with it :) Also the new notifications are fantastic, evoution is fast and responsive, openoffice 3 is great and so on. Sorry for maing the S/N ratio worse! Vincenzo --

Re: Auto-launching of applications

2009-03-26 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Il giorno dom, 22/02/2009 alle 21.47 +, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo ha scritto: Olá Matthew e a todos. FYI a bug was opened after a bit of chat on #ubuntu+1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 [Jaunty] Removal of Update Notifier is WRONG A second call for attention is needed here. This

Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon

2009-03-22 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems their customers have with Ubuntu, even if some of that feedback is private. We're not

Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon

2009-03-20 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 20/03/2009 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: That's a reasonable complaint, but not an easy one to address. OEMs don't want to give their hardware competitors any ideas prematurely Come on! That's the opposite of the spirite of free software - or at least of open source. Closed-source companies

Re: Remove app via apt-get from menu

2009-03-20 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 19/03/2009 Jonh Wendell wrote: Why can't the user go to add/remove programs to uninstall them if [s]he went there to install in the first place? An argument can go as follows: when you look for something that you don't have in the menus, you'll naturally select the voice that says

Re: Remove app via apt-get from menu

2009-03-20 Thread Vincenzo Ciancia
On 19/03/2009 Andrew Barbaccia wrote: I agree. Two places to accomplish the same thing seems confusing. Then we should either remove the trashcan or the corresponding right-click menu entry :) Vincenzo -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify

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