Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 27/07/2003 20:46, John Cowan wrote: Frank da Cruz scripsit: This sort of thing is endlessly fascinating to (some of) us Americans, whose concepts of nation and state are so simplistic :-) Here's my attempt to sort it out: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html#uk It is in constant

RE: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread jarkko.hietaniemi
Thanks for the corrections -- see I told you :-) When was the next meeting of Pedants Anonymous again? :-) England was never ruled by the French! Please! I dunno, William Conqueror the Duke of Normandy sounds pretty French to me :-) (Of course it's a good question when do 'France' and

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/07/2003 04:31, Michael Everson wrote: The Normans of course were frankified Norsemen. (My word. Apparently francized would be used in Québec; frencify occurs but is apparently often derog..) Thanks, Michael. Of course I could have suggested to Jarkko to ask an English speaking Irish

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 04:58 -0700 2003-07-28, Peter Kirk wrote: On 28/07/2003 04:31, Michael Everson wrote: The Normans of course were frankified Norsemen. (My word. Apparently francized would be used in Québec; frencify occurs but is apparently often derog..) Thanks, Michael. Of course I could have suggested

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: Re: Damn'd fools On 28/07/2003 03:53, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the corrections -- see I told you :-) When was the next meeting of Pedants Anonymous again? :-) England

RE: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread jarkko.hietaniemi
Everyone who sounds French, because they speak French, is not French. Ask any French speaking Canadian or Swiss, or any Swedish speaking Finn. If a duke living in (arguably) French territory (he was a vassal of the king of France) and speaking (arguably) French crosses the Channel and gets

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/07/2003 05:34, Karljürgen Feuerherm wrote: Well: 1. Most francophone Canadians do *not* sound 'French'--trust me 2. I'm a 'French-speaking Canadian' and if you asked me, I'd tell you I was French. Because I am. So you can't ask 'any ' (my contribution to this pedantic thread) K I

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/07/2003 06:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone who sounds French, because they speak French, is not French. Ask any French speaking Canadian or Swiss, or any Swedish speaking Finn. If a duke living in (arguably) French territory (he was a vassal of the king of France) and speaking

Re: Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
From: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/07/28 Mon AM 09:17:15 EDT To: Karljürgen Feuerherm [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Damn'd fools On 28/07/2003 05:34, Karljürgen Feuerherm wrote: Well: 1. Most francophone Canadians do *not* sound 'French'--trust me

[OT] Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Patrick Andries
- Message d'origine - De: Peter Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 28/07/2003 05:34, Karljürgen Feuerherm wrote: [earlier, vey nested, difficult to ascribe to one of the subscribers] England was never ruled by the French! Please! 1066 and all that stuff ! I dunno, William Conqueror

[OT] Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Patrick Andries
- Message d'origine - De: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Normans of course were frankified Norsemen. On their father's side apparently (well, great-grand-father's side since Rollon received Normandy as a fiefdom in 911 from Charles le Simple, king of the Franks and became one

Re: [OT] Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread John Cowan
Patrick Andries scripsit: Patrick Andries (Irish and Dutch forms of Latin and Greek roots !) The _English_ form of the Irish form _Padraig_ Latin patricius. Go figure. -- The Imperials are decadent, 300 pound John Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] free-range chickens (except they have

OT: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Jony Rosenne
AFAIK, Finland was not part of Russia, but the Emperor of Russia was also Grand Duke of Finland, i.e. it was a personal union of the two states. Jony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003

Re: OT: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Peter Kirk
On 28/07/2003 12:02, Jony Rosenne wrote: AFAIK, Finland was not part of Russia, but the Emperor of Russia was also Grand Duke of Finland, i.e. it was a personal union of the two states. Jony -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL

Re: OT: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Michael Everson
At 11:47 -0700 2003-07-28, Peter Kirk wrote: So if Finland was part of Russia, Canada is part of England. How do you like that one, Karljürgen? Should I expect an imminent French (Canadian) invasion? I thought Québec wanted to join the EU (Ducks again.) -- Michael Everson * * Everson

Re: OT: Damn'd fools

2003-07-28 Thread Karljürgen Feuerherm
If Québec joined the EU, that pretty much would amount to an invasion of the entire EU K - Original Message - From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: OT: Damn'd fools At 11:47 -0700 2003-07-28, Peter Kirk wrote

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-27 Thread John Cowan
Frank da Cruz scripsit: This sort of thing is endlessly fascinating to (some of) us Americans, whose concepts of nation and state are so simplistic :-) Here's my attempt to sort it out: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html#uk It is in constant need of revision and refinement.

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-26 Thread Andrew C. West
On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 21:28:30 +0100, Michael Everson wrote: Presumably the name of the U.K. would change, however. Why? It would be the United Kingdom of Great Britain, which comprises England, Scotland, Wales, and the Duchy of Cornwall. United Kingdom of Great Britain as opposed to the

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-26 Thread Frank da Cruz
United Kingdom of Great Britain as opposed to the present United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The whishful misnomer United Kingdom of course refers to the union of the erstwhile independant kingdoms of England (including the principality of Wales and various other

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-26 Thread Peter Kirk
On 26/07/2003 11:10, Frank da Cruz wrote: This sort of thing is endlessly fascinating to (some of) us Americans, whose concepts of nation and state are so simplistic :-) Here's my attempt to sort it out: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/postal.html#uk It is in constant need of revision and

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-26 Thread Frank da Cruz
Thanks for the corrections -- see I told you :-) Queen Victoria was of course Empress of India, not Emperor. No other British monarch had that title. It's printed on coins of Edward VII: http://hiwaay.net/~hfears/UK/ed7/P_1902.htm and George V:

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-26 Thread Peter Kirk
On 26/07/2003 13:36, Frank da Cruz wrote: Thanks for the corrections -- see I told you :-) Queen Victoria was of course Empress of India, not Emperor. No other British monarch had that title. It's printed on coins of Edward VII: http://hiwaay.net/~hfears/UK/ed7/P_1902.htm and George

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-25 Thread Frank da Cruz
Changing (and worse, recycling) 3166 Alpha-2 codes puts us in mind of all sorts of database-related disasters, but that's not all. Think of: . Top-level Internet domains. Imagine the possibilities for spoofing during the transition period. . Postal-code country prefixes, which are

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-25 Thread Stefan Persson
Frank da Cruz wrote: Changing (and worse, recycling) 3166 Alpha-2 codes puts us in mind of all sorts of database-related disasters, but that's not all. Think of: . Top-level Internet domains. Imagine the possibilities for spoofing during the transition period. . Postal-code country

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-25 Thread Michael Everson
At 15:46 -0400 2003-07-25, John Cowan wrote: When the United Kingdom hands back Northern Ireland to Ireland in 2052, then obviously the numeric codes of both countries will have to change, but not the codes for the names. Presumably the name of the U.K. would change, however. Why? It would be

Re: Damn'd fools

2003-07-25 Thread Peter Kirk
On 25/07/2003 13:28, Michael Everson wrote: At 15:46 -0400 2003-07-25, John Cowan wrote: When the United Kingdom hands back Northern Ireland to Ireland in 2052, then obviously the numeric codes of both countries will have to change, but not the codes for the names. Presumably the name of