Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Phake Nick via Unicode
Is it possible to introduce variation selector for emoji with large design variation among vendors so that when users send emoji with selectors their variation among vendors can be minimized by asking vendors to support both versions?

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/18/2017 10:40 AM, David Faulks via Unicode wrote: You cannot always tell things like these are jokes, I have seen people argue seriously that Unicode should dictate or enforce emojis before. Many jokes contain

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread David Faulks via Unicode
You cannot always tell things like these are jokes, I have seen people argue seriously that Unicode should dictate or enforce emojis before.

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Gabriel von Dehn via Unicode
Again, Unicode is not intended to and cannot ban specific designs of characters including emoji. Unicode is responsible creating a list of characters that should be supported, with the goal of making textual communication online possible through a standardised encoding. Unicode is not

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/18/2017 9:48 AM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: Asmus Freytag wrote: Given that one co-chair of the Emoji Subcommittee is from Apple and the other is from Google, you may wish to rethink your expectations about all this. I'd expect "zelpa" to feel validated by this info in their concern,

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Shakil Anwar via Unicode
A more democratic solution is to allow the global public to both submit and vote on emoji designs. Rather than allow a small number of (probably) north american white males to dictate emojis in a 'colonial' process based on their own world and personal view. The Unicode consortium can vote to

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
Asmus Freytag wrote: >> Given that one co-chair of the Emoji Subcommittee is from Apple and >> the other is from Google, you may wish to rethink your expectations >> about all this. > > I'd expect "zelpa" to feel validated by this info in their concern, > wouldn't you? Well, it's public

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Asmus Freytag via Unicode
On 5/18/2017 7:41 AM, Doug Ewell via Unicode wrote: zelpa wrote: This is my real issue, Apple disregards guidelines, sets a de facto standard, Google races to copy them. It's actually sad to see how far other vendors will go to copy Apple's designs. I honestly think the consortium should try

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Gabriel von Dehn via Unicode
As said, Unicode does not and cannot enforce anything. Unicode sets the recommendation, but has no power whatsoever of enforcing every vendor to meet these recommendations, nor does it expect vendors to follow Apples designs. > On 18 May 2017, at 17:26, zelpa via Unicode

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Gabriel von Dehn via Unicode
Hi, the Unicode Consortium does not and cannot “ban” vendors from designing emojis the way they wish. Unicode merely gives recommendations on how the characters should be displayed. Think of the different designs on different platforms like different fonts you can use (because that is actually

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread Doug Ewell via Unicode
zelpa wrote: > This is my real issue, Apple disregards guidelines, sets a de facto > standard, Google races to copy them. It's actually sad to see how far > other vendors will go to copy Apple's designs. I honestly think the > consortium should try harder to enforce the guidelines instead of >

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread zelpa via Unicode
>Unambiguously, Apple has failed to meet these technical guidelines, >in a blatant and unapologetic manner, and that’s why I liked the blobs — >they bucked norms, refused to conform to trends, and made emoji more >friendly to people who didn’t want to attach a gender to their every >expression. I

Re: Petition to ban Google from designing emoji

2017-05-18 Thread David Faulks via Unicode
And what makes you think Unicode has any authority to ‘ban’ Google from doing anything at all (hint: Unicode has zero ability to enforce anything). On Thu, 5/18/17, zelpa via Unicode wrote: Subject: Petition to ban Google from