Re: no wiki problem
Thanks Robert, but trying to add some humour to a continuing disgruntled thread that is becoming tedious from one corner. Profanity has never been prevalent on this list and is unnecessary. We either diffuse with humour or it gets nasty. Lets finish it here. No more unnecessary swearing and ranting and we can expect a calmer Realsoft society. Uh-huh : and let me personally thank you for all your enormous efforts regarding your elaborate tutorials on how to create incredible indoor Global illumination scenes . I mean , of course you would be a little upset and be so low , considering all the incredible efforts you have personally placed on the RS Wiki regarding skills that you and you alone have mastered . I bow to you , as we have all done for years , since you are indeed the RS Gi King . Thanks , of course ,are not enough . Your tutorial efforts kept so many many of us from floundering needlesly ... haplessly experiment- ing with little or no results . Thank god you were not one of those self-centered cocksuckers who strived to protect in secrecy any and all skillsgained from experimenting with with Vesa's and Juha's hand holding . You are a true pioneer who did all you could to make sure that the rest of the community never had to say how did he do that incredible render? . Yep , you certainly are not one of those cunts who seem to think they are so much better than everyone else , who keep all skills learned close to thier chest in a flacid attempt at being better than all others in the very very tight Realsoft Community . You my friend are about to become confronted with what you truly have become , so relax and enjoy your destiny , you most certainly earned it . good luk ... Garry Curtis
mailing list language
Dear Realsoft user group: We do not have any age limit on our mailing list, so please pay attention to what kind of language you use:) Go ahead and argue, but do it politely and using decent words. Thank you! Kind regards, Vesa Meskanen Realsoft Graphics
Re: no wiki problem
:) Oh dear I think someone got out of bed on the wrong side today. I have some news for you Gary. There are no great secrets to creating my GI images. I have, in numerous emails already informed the group of my standard workflow and also in personal emails to some individuals. You seem to think just knowing the tools gives you a good image. This is not the case as I have stated before, you also need to have a god eye, a good concept and a good understanding of what kind of image you are trying to achieve. I cannot give you any more information than I already have as its the same method I use today. Stop moaning because know one is holding YOUR hand in showing you how to start and finish a masterpiece. Go and discover if you have the ability (or dare I say talent) alone like the rest of us have to. Technical help is on hand for all of us when we need it. That is primarily what the list is here for. To help with the usage of the realsoft software and to encourage. My lack of posting to the WIKI has something to do with the fact I and a few others are a minority in that we are trying to earn a living using this software, it is no longer a hobby for some of us. I clearly do not have the same time you have to discover every finite trick Realsoft has to offer. I have enormous pressures running a business you obviously have no comprehension of. There are many more on this list with far greater knowledge than I on VSL, mathematics and physics, who you can and are learning a lot from. Something else your hung-over head might also have forgotten is that while the list does not see the effort I have put in over several years in beta testing the software you use. I have bug reported, tested and commented consistently for the benefit of all of us. Apparently this is not enough. Stop trying to find shortcuts Gary. Go learn the art of good imagery and animation THEN learn how to use the Realsoft tools to achieve your concepts. Can Rolf Harris paint the 'Sistine Chapel'... answer... probably not. I am quite happy with who I have become, but thank you for your intellectual insight as always. You may not have noticed this Gary, but over the years I cannot think of anyone else on this list who upsets and alienates people the way you do. You seem consistently on a knife edge and generally a very frustrated individual, turn the mirror on yourself once in a while for a reality check. Careful who you slander on this list my friend ! If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. Love and best wishes Jason - Original Message - From: studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:01 AM Subject: Re: no wiki problem Thanks Robert, but trying to add some humour to a continuing disgruntled thread that is becoming tedious from one corner. Profanity has never been prevalent on this list and is unnecessary. We either diffuse with humour or it gets nasty. Lets finish it here. No more unnecessary swearing and ranting and we can expect a calmer Realsoft society. Uh-huh : and let me personally thank you for all your enormous efforts regarding your elaborate tutorials on how to create incredible indoor Global illumination scenes . I mean , of course you would be a little upset and be so low , considering all the incredible efforts you have personally placed on the RS Wiki regarding skills that you and you alone have mastered . I bow to you , as we have all done for years , since you are indeed the RS Gi King . Thanks , of course ,are not enough . Your tutorial efforts kept so many many of us from floundering needlesly ... haplessly experiment- ing with little or no results . Thank god you were not one of those self-centered cocksuckers who strived to protect in secrecy any and all skillsgained from experimenting with with Vesa's and Juha's hand holding . You are a true pioneer who did all you could to make sure that the rest of the community never had to say how did he do that incredible render? . Yep , you certainly are not one of those cunts who seem to think they are so much better than everyone else , who keep all skills learned close to thier chest in a flacid attempt at being better than all others in the very very tight Realsoft Community . You my friend are about to become confronted with what you truly have become , so relax and enjoy your destiny , you most certainly earned it . good luk ... Garry Curtis
Have a break - Good bye for one year or more for my cr iminal novel project
Dear realsoft users, I will make a big break for one year or more. Thank you all for all the inputs and kindly answers according to realsoft themes. I have learned a lot about realsoft and 3d graphic, so I can use it some day for my film projects (connecting both worlds like lord of the rings or ice age or CSI... ;-))) have written the last two years a big detectiv criminal story (thriller, fantasy and fairy tale) and have to publish in the next weeks. Now I am making advertising for myself (www.schoenberger-krimis.de, but only in german, sorry), the next days I will start a reading about my novel, need to get more connections to a big publishing house here in germany... the criminal story calls Verliebtes Killerherz (Murderheart fell in love or something in this way) I am planing a serial ;-) for three, four novels. All best luck for the realsoft users and become the best 3d application on the 3d market worldwide! I love realsoft and have it in my heart :-))) Thanks a lot to juha and vesa, they are working very hard and close to all the user here in the forum. I give you here my big respect! :-) Servus and see you, best regards from Germany, sincerely Frank Brübach Servus und bis bald, beste Grüße aus Deutschland, wünscht Frank Brübach __ Erweitern Sie FreeMail zu einem noch leistungsstärkeren E-Mail-Postfach! Mehr Infos unter http://freemail.web.de/home/landingpad/?mc=021131
Re: no wiki problem
Hi Jason, If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. no way ... the only one who should leave this list is Gary. He is a big shame for the RS community. Bye Boris
Re: no wiki problem
If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. Jason I can only speak for myself, but I value your contributions both to this list and the Realsoft community in general. I'm sure many on this list ( if not all...) appreciate the time and energy it takes to make a living out of 3D. All the best, Glenn McLean
Re: no wiki problem
Jason Saunders wrote: :) Oh dear I think someone got out of bed on the wrong side today. I have some news for you Gary. There are no great secrets to creating my GI images. I have, in numerous emails already informed the group of my standard workflow and also in personal emails to some individuals. You seem to think just knowing the tools gives you a good image. This is not the case as I have stated before, you also need to have a god eye, a good concept and a good understanding of what kind of image you are trying to achieve. I cannot give you any more information than I already have as its the same method I use today. Stop moaning because know one is holding YOUR hand in showing you how to start and finish a masterpiece. Go and discover if you have the ability (or dare I say talent) alone like the rest of us have to. Technical help is on hand for all of us when we need it. That is primarily what the list is here for. To help with the usage of the realsoft software and to encourage. My lack of posting to the WIKI has something to do with the fact I and a few others are a minority in that we are trying to earn a living using this software, it is no longer a hobby for some of us. I clearly do not have the same time you have to discover every finite trick Realsoft has to offer. I have enormous pressures running a business you obviously have no comprehension of. There are many more on this list with far greater knowledge than I on VSL, mathematics and physics, who you can and are learning a lot from. Something else your hung-over head might also have forgotten is that while the list does not see the effort I have put in over several years in beta testing the software you use. I have bug reported, tested and commented consistently for the benefit of all of us. Apparently this is not enough. Stop trying to find shortcuts Gary. Go learn the art of good imagery and animation THEN learn how to use the Realsoft tools to achieve your concepts. Can Rolf Harris paint the 'Sistine Chapel'... answer... probably not. I am quite happy with who I have become, but thank you for your intellectual insight as always. You may not have noticed this Gary, but over the years I cannot think of anyone else on this list who upsets and alienates people the way you do. You seem consistently on a knife edge and generally a very frustrated individual, turn the mirror on yourself once in a while for a reality check. Careful who you slander on this list my friend ! If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. Love and best wishes Jason Well, that sums it up nicely, good work m8! : D Cheers, Zaug P.S. Nah, you can stay ; ) -- My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. |8?o
RE: no wiki problem
You should leave it there. Forget about this small simple and ridiculous problem (observed from outside). Instead of writing on this List, you should be working with Realsoft instead. There is no competition about who is the best Realsoft user. Realsoft is there to realize your personnal vision only. And you should not associate Realsoft with the people using it. Realsoft is just a tool... so use it. Stop talking about it. Note : The realsoft community is the weirdest one, people Take much of their time trying to write tutorial, finding technical tricks, Writing plugins than actually using Realsoft to create ART(Picture or animation). Jean-Sebastien Perron www.neuroworld.ca
Re: Re: no wiki problem
Hi Jason, What a gentleman! I would have had to sleep a couple nights to reply to that email with as much restraint. Thank you Jason for your efforts. Probably the single biggest tip I got from your postings was that you need to have some dim 'ambient' type of lights to 'activate' good transparency and reflection. You are right. These kind of images take a lot of experience (the hard kind you can only learn by doing it yourself) and often they can take a lot of testrendering and tweaking. Having a lot of entourage can help as well. Thanks again. Chris From: Jason Saunders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/09/18 Mon AM 04:09:21 CDT To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: no wiki problem :) Oh dear I think someone got out of bed on the wrong side today. I have some news for you Gary. There are no great secrets to creating my GI images. I have, in numerous emails already informed the group of my standard workflow and also in personal emails to some individuals.
boating
Hi userlist, I'm glad te maillist has woken up from hibernate mode :) To contribute to a positive atmosphere I've put some images from my newest project online: http://www.bueters.nl/vessel/sloep01.htm The small boat is all SDS, the houseboats are a mixture of SDS and analytics, mostly polygone SDS though. It has taken me some time to get to grips with UVmapping but SDS has become favorite since. Regards, Frank Bueters
RE: boating
That's a very nice boat Frank, But maybe have a look at the rendersettings. I think antialiasing could be a bit better at the rope on the side and the white patterns on top. The sailing01 image on your site looks very nice too! Arjo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Bueters Sent: maandag 18 september 2006 16:11 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: boating Hi userlist, I'm glad te maillist has woken up from hibernate mode :) To contribute to a positive atmosphere I've put some images from my newest project online: http://www.bueters.nl/vessel/sloep01.htm The small boat is all SDS, the houseboats are a mixture of SDS and analytics, mostly polygone SDS though. It has taken me some time to get to grips with UVmapping but SDS has become favorite since. Regards, Frank Bueters
RE: boating
thanks Arjo. You're right about the render settings on the vessel. The image is a screendump from the last stages of modelling and texturing. I than had go back to the houseboat projects for which the small vessel was intended as a background object. What I really enjoyed though is modelling a shape like this in SDS. If it doesn't need to be extremely accurate this is great fun, a sort of digital clay with undo. BTW, the tutorial on Jean-Sebastien's website ( http://www.neuroworld.ca/tutorials.htm ) has pointed me out once or twice, he uses a smart way of connecting points, creating- and deleting faces and duplicating edges. Frank Bueters That's a very nice boat Frank, But maybe have a look at the rendersettings. I think antialiasing could be a bit better at the rope on the side and the white patterns on top. The sailing01 image on your site looks very nice too! Arjo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Frank Bueters Sent: maandag 18 september 2006 16:11 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: boating Hi userlist, I'm glad te maillist has woken up from hibernate mode :) To contribute to a positive atmosphere I've put some images from my newest project online: http://www.bueters.nl/vessel/sloep01.htm The small boat is all SDS, the houseboats are a mixture of SDS and analytics, mostly polygone SDS though. It has taken me some time to get to grips with UVmapping but SDS has become favorite since. Regards, Frank Bueters __ NOD32 1.1760 (20060918) Informatie __ Dit bericht is gecontroleerd door het NOD32 Antivirus Systeem. http://www.nod32.nl
Re: no wiki problem
Hi List, Jason, Boris ... Garry Jason wrote: If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. Boris wrote: no way ... the only one who should leave this list is Gary. He is a big shame for the RS community. I agree with Boris. I expect that the List can not vote a user off the list since access to the list might be a contract offered by Realsoft to anyone purchasing RS. The solution many of us have found is to simply not respond to or even read posts from those who do not deserve the effort. But in this reply I suppose I am breaking my own rule. The paradox of justice. Neil Cooke - Original Message - From: Boris Jahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:52 PM Subject: Re: no wiki problem Hi Jason, If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. no way ... the only one who should leave this list is Gary. He is a big shame for the RS community. Bye Boris
Re: boating
Frank Bueters wrote: Hi userlist, I'm glad te maillist has woken up from hibernate mode :) Yes, me too : ) To contribute to a positive atmosphere I've put some images from my newest project online: http://www.bueters.nl/vessel/sloep01.htm The small boat is all SDS, the houseboats are a mixture of SDS and analytics, mostly polygone SDS though. It has taken me some time to get to grips with UVmapping but SDS has become favorite since. Regards, Frank Bueters Nice work. I think my only crit is that the water mapping is too small, the edges of the waves look almost sharp. Thanks for sharing, Zaug -- My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. |8?o
Re: no wiki problem
If the rest of the list feel the same way Gary has indicated, then I will gladly leave the user list today as I have not intention of offending anyone else. Love and best wishes Jason You're cracked . Elitist's like yourself hoard profusely but will consistently remind you of their non-tangible cont- ributions . Your beta-testing gives you free software . Your sporadic mails to this list are lost forever (there is no archive) . So what have you got to show for yourself , as far as community contributions go ? Yep , excellent Gi renderings ... I rest my case (of Bud) . Garry
Re: no wiki problem
I can only speak for myself, but I value your contributions both to this list and the Realsoft community in general. I'm sure many on this list ( if not all...) appreciate the time and energy it takes to make a living out of 3D. Glenn McLean Contributions ??? : What contributions ? Here , this is what I have rendered with Realsoft3D is the only contribution I have ever seen out of Jasmine Slanders . ...Years Years Later : Where are the RS3D project files ? Where are the advanced RS3D Gi tutorials ? Where are the RS3D VSL Indoor Textures ? Of course making a living in 3D is an enormous task , and a hill I never had the talent to climb , but it's no excuse to hoard crucial information , as far as I'm concerned anyway . Jason is a hoar-der . We all know that . His wife may put up with his endless 3D for Jason , but I will not and will call a spade a spade . Whatever ... Garry PS : Forgot about possible youngsters on this list . Will attempt to filter my army mouth from now on .
RE: no wiki problem
Man, This list has sunk sow low ... The lowest of low.. R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of studio Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:12 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: no wiki problem I can only speak for myself, but I value your contributions both to this list and the Realsoft community in general. I'm sure many on this list ( if not all...) appreciate the time and energy it takes to make a living out of 3D. Glenn McLean Contributions ??? : What contributions ? Here , this is what I have rendered with Realsoft3D is the only contribution I have ever seen out of Jasmine Slanders . ...Years Years Later : Where are the RS3D project files ? Where are the advanced RS3D Gi tutorials ? Where are the RS3D VSL Indoor Textures ? Of course making a living in 3D is an enormous task , and a hill I never had the talent to climb , but it's no excuse to hoard crucial information , as far as I'm concerned anyway . Jason is a hoar-der . We all know that . His wife may put up with his endless 3D for Jason , but I will not and will call a spade a spade . Whatever ... Garry PS : Forgot about possible youngsters on this list . Will attempt to filter my army mouth from now on .
Re: no wiki problem (the list is garbage)
Love and best wishes Jason Well, that sums it up nicely, good work m8! : D Zaug P.S. Nah, you can stay ; ) My love of the halfling's leaf has clearly slowed my mind. |8?o Inspiring words from one of the 'Dubie' Brothers : I remember a day when list sharing was monumental , when there was so much sharing the list actually 'split' into a specific catagory . Has the time come to start to think about what is good and what is not good for this list , perhaps ? No , not even close . This list is nothing . Anyone can subscribe . Anyone can attempt to set the pace here and lately the pace is absurdly slow . The first thing 'real' Realsoft3D lovers must come to understand is that the list is nothing but garbage ! Yep , you read that right ... the list is garbage ! It's venting , and bullcrap and very little info , and the info that is sparingly shared will disappear forever into the void . The whole Realsoft3D community actually centers around web sites similiar to what 'Bore-Us John' have created . IRC is another true wealth of info . Of course Robert denbroeder has attempted to create an all in one RS3D web site where even inside beta-testing info can be had , and maybe this is the one true RS3D information site , but Robert d. only has so much time ... Satu helped to create yet another RS3D site that may have been the 'be-all-and-end-all' of RS3D sites , but somehow that site did not actually emerge as was antic- ipated , and Satu retired from the RS family in order to spend more time with her own family . Then came the Wiki , which turned out to be just an- other version of the mailing list . Crucial info could be easily added and just as easily subtracted by any- RS hating clown who happened to wander in ... HTML tutorials are all that actually count . Here, lick my renders are nothing more or less than meaningless egotisticall crap that people like Gay-son Saunters have been flaunting for years and years . Garry
Re: no wiki problem
Man, This list has sunk sow low The lowest of low.. R Ya , but where have you been ? : Haven't you been one of those people who have promised all kinds of tutorials but have never actually delivered even a single ounce of usefull information? Of course not . Yep , you are a mailing list garbage person . You comment once and a while , but do not provide even a single morsel of usefullness , although you obviously promise otherwise , endlessly . So who are you ? Where did you come from ? What are your true intensions ? What have you given the community ? Examine this logical equation (below) : A) (If) The mailing list is nothing but a place for people like yourself to throw garbage (like your above comments) . B) (And If) The only place the Realsoft3D community has any kind of interaction with you is this mailing list . C) (Then) You are nothing but garbage . D) Time for you and your clown buddies to go Fluk themselves . E) Contribute or Fluk Off ! F) Time to determine who is for the RS3D community and and who is for the Maya/Max/LW community . G) That can only be determined by the amount of effort that has been applied toward advanced HTML tutorials . We know Robert and Bore-us John are all for RS3D , but what about the rest of you that contribute nothing , ex- cept your useless promises and critiques ... That's correct ! You are against . You have nothing to offer except shallow promises that never happen , of course . You are not of the community and have no intentions of becoming part of the RS3D user base . You are garbage . So now we may look at Swanson Swinders and ask who's side is she on ? Who knows ? She only contributes to the garbage list ... no tutorials ... no textures ... no contibutions except lick my renders . I'm eager to hear your pansy rebuttal . (Please do forgive this mail if you're finally dead) . Garry
Re: no wiki problem
But in this reply I suppose I am breaking my own rule. The paradox of justice. Neil Cooke Ya , OK : Go back to sleep now . Garry
RE: no wiki problem
Ha ha, Man you are a joke... Take your blood pressure medication and get some counselling... you are a disgrace to RS3D and are pathetic! Who wants to belong to a list with pathetic individuals like yourself on it!!!? Anyone coming to this list as a newbie would be put of RS3D all together after seeing the attitude you have.. Some people have a life outside RS3D R That's all the input I am going to put into your pathetic posts...Garry on the spam/delete list. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of studio Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:20 To: user-list@light.realsoft3d.com Subject: Re: no wiki problem Man, This list has sunk sow low The lowest of low.. R Ya , but where have you been ? : Haven't you been one of those people who have promised all kinds of tutorials but have never actually delivered even a single ounce of usefull information? Of course not . Yep , you are a mailing list garbage person . You comment once and a while , but do not provide even a single morsel of usefullness , although you obviously promise otherwise , endlessly . So who are you ? Where did you come from ? What are your true intensions ? What have you given the community ? Examine this logical equation (below) : A) (If) The mailing list is nothing but a place for people like yourself to throw garbage (like your above comments) . B) (And If) The only place the Realsoft3D community has any kind of interaction with you is this mailing list . C) (Then) You are nothing but garbage . D) Time for you and your clown buddies to go Fluk themselves . E) Contribute or Fluk Off ! F) Time to determine who is for the RS3D community and and who is for the Maya/Max/LW community . G) That can only be determined by the amount of effort that has been applied toward advanced HTML tutorials . We know Robert and Bore-us John are all for RS3D , but what about the rest of you that contribute nothing , ex- cept your useless promises and critiques ... That's correct ! You are against . You have nothing to offer except shallow promises that never happen , of course . You are not of the community and have no intentions of becoming part of the RS3D user base . You are garbage . So now we may look at Swanson Swinders and ask who's side is she on ? Who knows ? She only contributes to the garbage list ... no tutorials ... no textures ... no contibutions except lick my renders . I'm eager to hear your pansy rebuttal . (Please do forgive this mail if you're finally dead) . Garry
Re: no wiki problem
You should leave it there. No . Instead of writing on this List, you should be working with Realsoft instead. Yes . There is no competition about who is the best Realsoft user. Realsoft is there to realize your personnal vision only. Yes again . And you should not associate Realsoft with the people using it. Realsoft is just a tool... so use it. Stop talking about it. Yes again again . Note : The realsoft community is the weirdest one, people Take much of their time trying to write tutorial, finding technical tricks, Writing plugins than actually using Realsoft to create ART(Picture or animation). Jean-Sebastien Perron www.neuroworld.ca Ok , but if you yourself Jean-Sebastien find something very interesting that you know without question that the whole RS3D community would absolutely love to have access to , that would love to have a project file or a VSL file , or would go crazy for an elaborate Web Page Tutorial ... Would you not share ? My whole point is : A) There are many here . B) Some will contribute with tutorials . C) Some will endeavor to degrade the RS3D community via various useless mails to the list that serve no purpose except to promote certain individuals as RS3D proponents when in actuality it's all about them . This is my whole point (above) again. ** I totally agree that the best you can do is create awesome art with RS3D but it really only takes a few tutorials first , and those tutorials are being pro- mised by some users , and never-ever-ever-ever-ever delivered . Also , some so called advanced users simply choose not to share vital knowledge (yet another point I'm trying desperately to make) . Garry
