RE: cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps)

2012-04-20 Thread Robby Pelssers
or sample app to take a look at? Cheers, Robby -Original Message- From: Thorsten Scherler [mailto:scher...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:08 PM To: users@cocoon.apache.org Subject: cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps) The whole thread had changed

Re: cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps)

2012-04-19 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On 04/18/2012 09:36 PM, Mika M Lehtonen wrote: Ouh, I didn't realize what kind of the avalanche of arguments I would start. Maybe this tells that there is something bubbling under. I don't want to hurt anyones feelings. I don't want bad blood. No, no bad blood at all. I think there are so

Re: cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps)

2012-04-19 Thread mika
Thorsten, thank you for your feedback. Yeah, I think I will switch to C3 some day near, that is, if we'll decide to continue with Cocoon. One app is on it's way to final. How succesful it is, will make quite a big difference whether we continue or not. I hope we do. - mika - On Thu, 19

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread gelo1234
Hello, I would like to share my opinion on C3. I think that dropping support for the most of native Cocoon components is a good step forward. As you see trends now in enterprise applications, everybody from RedHat to Oracle limits the amount of code from bare application server core engine making

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread mika
for transforming XML. Cheers, Robby -Original Message- From: m...@digikartta.net [3] [mailto:m...@digikartta.net [4]] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:58 AM To: users@cocoon.apache.org [5] Subject: Re: Forms and maps  Ciao Alberto,  you'll probably right.  What comes to Cocoon

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Derek Hohls
the best choice for transforming XML. Cheers, Robby -Original Message- From: m...@digikartta.net [3] [mailto:m...@digikartta.net [4]] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:58 AM To: users@cocoon.apache.org [5] Subject: Re: Forms and maps Ciao Alberto, you'll probably right

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On 04/18/2012 07:58 AM, m...@digikartta.net wrote: Ciao Alberto, you'll probably right. What comes to Cocoon lifecycle, I don't get it. Has C3 anything in common with C2 except the concept of pipelines? Can you do the same things with it? When C2.2 was published, I fell off the wagon because

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread mika
@cocoon.apache.org Subject: RE: Forms and maps Absolutely. But trying to stay on the edge of the trends won't fit for us all. And continous rewriting of apps doesn't make any sense. Why on earth we can't create something that would last at least a decade? Half of us would be out of jobs? - mika

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread mika
Torsten, I understand your points. Still, it depends on what are trying to achieve, how much do you have time for it and what are your skills and competence. Also, from the point of the business view, there is a concept of opportunity costs. It may be reasonable to go on with the old

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Thorsten Scherler
On 04/18/2012 11:24 AM, m...@digikartta.net wrote: Absolutely. But trying to stay on the edge of the trends won't fit for us all. And continous rewriting of apps doesn't make any sense. Why on earth we can't create something that would last at least a decade? jeje, I actually know about

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Robby Pelssers
. It balances the Costs involved in a safer way. Robby -Original Message- From: m...@digikartta.net [mailto:m...@digikartta.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:52 AM To: users@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Forms and maps Torsten, I understand your points. Still, it depends

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread mika
-Original Message- From: m...@digikartta.net [mailto:m...@digikartta.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 11:52 AM To: users@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Forms and maps Torsten, I understand your points. Still, it depends on what are trying to achieve, how much do you have time

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:30:58AM +0200, Robby Pelssers wrote: You should read this article 'Why Good Programmers Are Lazy and Dumb' http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2005-08-24-n14.html I think it's not so much about losing our jobs but about - trying to become more productive (getting

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:34:26AM +0200, Derek Hohls wrote: It all depends on your environment and the rate of change. There are many back-end systems (running on old but reliable technology) that hardly change at all. However, the web (and now tablets/mobile) has a very high rate of change

RE: Forms and maps

2012-04-18 Thread Robby Pelssers
-Original Message- From: Mark H. Wood [mailto:mw...@iupui.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:29 PM To: users@cocoon.apache.org Subject: Re: Forms and maps On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:34:26AM +0200, Derek Hohls wrote: It all depends on your environment and the rate of change

cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps)

2012-04-18 Thread Thorsten Scherler
The whole thread had changed the subject a long time ago ... On 04/18/2012 03:29 PM, Mark H. Wood wrote: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 11:34:26AM +0200, Derek Hohls wrote: It all depends on your environment and the rate of change. There are many back-end systems (running on old but reliable

Re: cocoon migrate from 2.1 to 2.2 or 3 (was Re: Forms and maps)

2012-04-18 Thread Mika M Lehtonen
Ouh, I didn't realize what kind of the avalanche of arguments I would start. Maybe this tells that there is something bubbling under. I don't want to hurt anyones feelings. I don't want bad blood. I think there are so many different level persons involved in this, that it will cause some

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-17 Thread Alberto
On 04/13/2012 07:18 PM, Mika M Lehtonen wrote: Interesting, I am also integrating maps into sites produced with Cocoon 2.1x. I have no answer to you but maybe we could collaborate on this issue? OpenLayers widget would be something! Just some considerations. I like very much cocoon, its

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-17 Thread mika
Ciao Alberto, you'll probably right. What comes to Cocoon lifecycle, I don't get it. Has C3 anything in common with C2 except the concept of pipelines? Can you do the same things with it? When C2.2 was published, I fell off the wagon because of techical differences. C3 knocked me out for

Forms and maps

2012-04-13 Thread Alberto
Hi, I'm using cocoon 2.1.12-dev and I'm facing how to include a map in cocoon forms. I have to do simple things from flowscript: load a kml url and receive the coordinates of an area selection. I'm considering to use OpenLayers or Google Maps. Looking sources I found already existing widget

Re: Forms and maps

2012-04-13 Thread Mika M Lehtonen
Interesting, I am also integrating maps into sites produced with Cocoon 2.1x. I have no answer to you but maybe we could collaborate on this issue? OpenLayers widget would be something! cheers, mika 13.4.2012 20:03, Alberto kirjoitti: Hi, I'm using cocoon 2.1.12-dev and I'm facing how to