Hi All
As I reported recently I wrote to a contact I have in regard to this thread.
Part of what I said was .
/*PLEASE DO* follow up on this - I think it is _VERY_ important for many
users and some 'Official' Feedback' is VERY necessary. There are lots of
very important points made in
14:46
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Hi All
As I reported recently I wrote to a contact I have in regard to this thread.
Part of what I said was .
/*PLEASE DO* follow up on this - I think it is _VERY_ important for many
August, 2011 14:46
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Hi All
As I reported recently I wrote to a contact I have in regard to this thread.
Part of what I said was .
/*PLEASE DO* follow up on this - I think it is _VERY_
Hi Tom,
I installed 1.6.0_21 on my home computer last night and compared it to
1.6.0_22. This is a 5 year old laptop with an AMD T-50 processor and 2
gigs of ram. It is far from a powerhouse, but it works very will with
Ubuntu. Both versions of Java work very well with Base. 1.6.0_21 is a
On 30/07/2011 19:37, Don C. Myers wrote:
Magnificent!!! Thank you, ponsiarceds! I followed your
instructions for having an older version of Java along side the
present one. I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 with the LibreOffice version of
3.4.1. Now base works really fast like it always
Hi Ian,
For some reason not all of the previous text I was responding to showed
up in that post. This information I used was from a post from
ponsiarceds. I'll paste everything below. Just make sure you are
consistent with either jre or jdk in the instructions. The instructions
have the two
Some clarification:
The JRE is sufficient (and smaller) if you just want to USE Base.
I will absolutely attest to 1.6.0_21's being an order of magnatude
faster than BOTH ...0_26 AND ...0_22, for me. The difference is very
dramatic. Since running with ...0_21 my Base applications are simply
Ian,
On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 17:36 +0200, Ian Whitfield wrote:
On 30/07/2011 19:37, Don C. Myers wrote:
Magnificent!!! Thank you, ponsiarceds! I followed your
instructions for having an older version of Java along side the
present one. I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 with the
Hi Tom,
Tom Davies schrieb:
Hi :)
It might be time to cut Base loose. Most versions of MS Office don't include
Access. Gnome Office doesn't have a database program. Perhaps Office Suites
just don't need an integrated program to do this sort of stuff. Maybe Calc is
enough. There are a few
Hi All
I have contacted someone I know who is on the Steering Committee, and is
a Founding Member, of 'The Document Foundation' and he has replied to me
asking for the full details. He is not involved on the Base side of the
project himself but I have asked him to pass the information on to
gr8.base users might feel betrayed now if base support is discontinued.that
will not be a good experience for them.though personally i do not use base
myself.
best wishes
On 31 July 2011 16:19, Ian Whitfield whitfi...@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi All
I have contacted someone I know who is on the
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Am 30.07.2011 23:07, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
Le 29/07/2011 10:41, Andreas Säger a écrit :
As a matter of fact you can disable/remove Java, hit F4 ... connect,
query, edit and dump.
If I would convert our Java databases and remove Java from our systems
nobody would notice the change.
Am 31.07.2011 02:41, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
It might be time to cut Base loose. Most versions of MS Office don't include
Access.
Every version I used to know included MS Query. MS Query is the
equivalent of the Base core functionality.
Base is much more important than MS Query. There are
Hi,
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 9:02 PM, Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I think it's more a case of working on several fronts within TDF.
1. joining the Steering-Discuss mailing list and promoting the cause there.
Tom's right. I can definitely recommend taking time out to join the
: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Hi
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 17:55 -0700, ponsiarceds wrote:
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
Ug. This is getting ugly really fast. I'm really not on home ground
here at all.
FWIW, here
Magnificent!!! Thank you, ponsiarceds! I followed your
instructions for having an older version of Java along side the present
one. I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 with the LibreOffice version of 3.4.1. Now
base works really fast like it always did. Then only thing I did
differently
I may have seen this too late to join in, but I'll make the next one for
sure. Thanks very much for the tip.
I agree with Tom, too, in theory. The problem is that my resource
account is already overdrawn. I have nothing left with which to make a
heavy investment, anywhere. If it's just a
One thing to be careful of. You can use either the jre or the jdk. The
jdk is basically for developers and not needed by most folks. Make sure
when you follow the instructions below you use one or the other.
On 07/29/2011 08:55 PM, ponsiarceds wrote:
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53
Le 29/07/2011 10:41, Andreas Säger a écrit :
As a matter of fact you can disable/remove Java, hit F4 ... connect,
query, edit and dump.
If I would convert our Java databases and remove Java from our systems
nobody would notice the change.
Could you elaborate, please?
If I remove Java, can I
Hi :)
The main thing is that you found a way to solve your current problem.
Congrats and regards from
Tom :)
From: Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Sat, 30 July, 2011 18:51:02
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record
.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Andreas Säger ville...@t-online.de
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 9:41:30
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Am 29.07.2011 03:22, NoOp wrote:
Hit F4 in Writer or Calc, right
that the other apps don't
need. So, lets just drop Base.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Andreas Sägerville...@t-online.de
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 9:41:30
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Am 29.07.2011 03:22
-Исходное сообщение-
From: Tom Cloyd
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 4:40 AM
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
On 07/29/2011 06:55 PM, ponsiarceds wrote:
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote
-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Am 29.07.2011 03:22, NoOp wrote:
Hit F4 in Writer or Calc, right-clickOpen the dBase Bibliography.
All the functionality of a flat (unrelational) dBase connection is
there. You can connect, query, edit data through forms and dump any
row
set
Am 28.07.2011 08:30, Tom Cloyd wrote:
As an aside, have you thoughts to share about HSQLDB vs H2? Any good
reason to migrate to H2 (a question entirely separate from the db speed
question). I'd be interested to hear your thoughts if you have time to
share them.
The tiny user community of the
-online.de
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 11:30:16
Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Am 28.07.2011 08:30, Tom Cloyd wrote:
As an aside, have you thoughts to share about HSQLDB vs H2? Any good
reason to migrate to H2 (a question
Am 29.07.2011 13:42, Tom Davies wrote:
Hi :)
Could that community be prevailed upon to join TDF and manage the Base part of
the project? Presumably they have knowledge of key players and have a good idea
of what needs to be done to improve Base?
Regards from
Tom :)
Be assured that those guys
Am 29.07.2011 03:22, NoOp wrote:
Hit F4 in Writer or Calc, right-clickOpen the dBase Bibliography.
All the functionality of a flat (unrelational) dBase connection is
there. You can connect, query, edit data through forms and dump any row
set into office documents.
On 07/29/2011 01:41 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 29.07.2011 03:22, NoOp wrote:
Hit F4 in Writer or Calc, right-clickOpen the dBase Bibliography.
All the functionality of a flat (unrelational) dBase connection is
there. You can connect, query, edit data through forms and dump any row
set into
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
Ug. This is getting ugly really fast. I'm really not on home ground
here at all.
FWIW, here is a relatively painless way to install an older JRE along side
the default Ubuntu one.
( I'm using Ubuntu 10.10 64bit )
It
Hi
On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 17:55 -0700, ponsiarceds wrote:
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
Ug. This is getting ugly really fast. I'm really not on home ground
here at all.
FWIW, here is a relatively painless way to install an older JRE along side
Hi
Thanks you for this tips and to all for Base and data bases tips !
Regards,
Jorge Rodríguez
El vie, 29-07-2011 a las 17:55 -0700, ponsiarceds escribió:
.
tomcloyd wrote:
, On 07/28/2011 12:53 AM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
Ug. This is getting ugly really fast. I'm
I'll chime in - thanks indeed. I just removed my current sun-java, and
installed
sun-java6-bin_6.22-0ubuntu1~10.04_i386.deb and
sun-java6-jre_6.22-0ubuntu1~10.04_all.deb
Everything seems to run fine. However, the increase in Base/HYPERSQL
speed is only about 25%. Disappointing. This still
Heinz,
I completely agree. LO without a function Base won't fly. Either TDF
recognizes this - by DOING something - or we have our answer.
Tom
On 07/28/2011 05:08 AM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
Hallo Andreas,
In my view, BASE falling apart would mean LO's death sentence in
the long
run!
Don,
Seems like a reasonable request to me, and I'll up the ante.
Where the ^%$ is the management - The Document Foundation - in all
this, right now, today? Do they even watch this list? In short, do they
give a damn that the only theoretically viable alternative to Access
(for ordinary
and from who and go get it.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 17:06:15
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Heinz,
I completely agree. LO without
Has anybody suggested that this command should an option when saving
when ever records are deleted?
On 7/27/2011 12:14 PM, Tom Cloyd wrote:
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Different ones of us have tried this. It is a Java issue. I keep my
database compacted on a regular basis. Thank you for trying to be of
assistance.
Don
On 07/28/2011 12:45 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
Has anybody suggested that this command should an option when saving
when ever
Tom Cloyd wrote:
much clipped to save space
2. If LO's in trouble with the current sun-Java, so's OO. Where's Apache
in this situation? Again, where's *TDF*? Why aren't they and Apache
working together on this? Looks rather like a leadership problem, to me.
Tom, the other points I can
Hi,
Le 28/07/2011 18:10, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit :
In my view LO/OO do NOT require Java, neither on Linux nor on Windows.
AFAIK, LO/OOo currently *DO* require Java for Base to simply work. TDF
have announced they would get rid of the java-isms in the code. This
implies a major rewrite
Hi Tom,
Thank you for your great ideas and suggestions.
Starting with Java 1.6.0_24, this problem arose with both OpenOffice
Base and LibreOffice Base. The problems were documented on an OpenOffice
forum that I searched when the problem first arose. Another alternative
would be for
: Thu, 28 July, 2011 17:06:15
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Heinz,
I completely agree. LO without a function Base won't fly. Either TDF recognizes
this - by DOING something - or we have our answer.
Tom
On 07/28/2011 05:08 AM, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote
Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 18:16:57
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
I'm up for it! (Love that quote!)
Maybe leaking this issue to the press would get some attention??
Tom C.
On 07/28/2011 10:29 AM, Tom
in and fix it.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Tom Cloydt...@tomcloyd.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 18:16:57
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
I'm up for it! (Love that quote!)
Maybe leaking this issue
from
Tom :)
From: Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 17:57:32
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Tom Cloyd wrote:
much clipped to save space
2. If LO's
as duplicates quite quickly when they
are on a roll.
Regards from
Tom :)
From: Paul D. Mirowsky p_mirow...@bentaxna.com
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thu, 28 July, 2011 17:45:05
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Has
Heinrich,
On Thu, 2011-07-28 at 08:15 +0200, Heinrich Stoellinger wrote:
Hi Tom,
Just my - maybe naive - 2 pennies worth of comments:
As I mentioned before, I have been using OO/LO for years together with
BASE with MySQL (which - also sigh) now belongs to Oracle as well.
As a connector to
Hi Tom,
Tom Cloyd wrote (28-07-11 18:06)
I completely agree. LO without a function Base won't fly. Either TDF
recognizes this - by DOING something - or we have our answer.
Well, the challenges with base are known. This does not mean that there
is an instant solution. However the fast
Am 28.07.2011 19:05, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
Hi,
Le 28/07/2011 18:10, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit :
In my view LO/OO do NOT require Java, neither on Linux nor on Windows.
AFAIK, LO/OOo currently *DO* require Java for Base to simply work. TDF
have announced they would get rid of the
On 07/28/2011 12:50 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
Am 28.07.2011 19:05, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
Hi,
Le 28/07/2011 18:10, Heinrich Stoellinger a écrit :
In my view LO/OO do NOT require Java, neither on Linux nor on Windows.
AFAIK, LO/OOo currently *DO* require Java for Base to simply work.
Le 27/07/11 10:16, Tom Cloyd a écrit :
Hi Tom,
Just to move the record pointer from the first to the last record takes
almost exactly 20 seconds. To do a search of the beginning of the main
text field for a 6 character string that isn't there (i.e., the engine
searches to the very end of
Don,
So, for 6 months, OO (I presume) and now LO (is it that old?) have been
promoting a db which doesn't work. I have over 10 full time days
invested in this, and I'm watching it fall apart in front of me,
apparently irretrievably. I understand LO has NO programmer working on
BASE, and with
To: users@global.libreoffice.org; Tom Cloyd t...@tomcloyd.com
Sent: Wed, 27 July, 2011 17:53:40
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Base record access unacceptably slow
Hello,
I have been using OpenOffice and now LibreOffice with BASE for a long
time. My MySQL database serves a windband and all
On 28/07/11 02:30, Tom Cloyd wrote:
1. Are there any alternative graphic interface tools that even
approximate Base's functionality (other than Access)? The last time I
looked - a number of weeks ago, I didn't come up with any equivalents.
Tom,
The GUI is one element but how do you want too
Am 28.07.2011 00:00, Tom Cloyd wrote:
This is do not understand. I thought HYPERSQL was the default db engine.
You say you're using it to server ANOTHER db? why not access that
directly through Base? Am I misunderstanding something (entirely possible)?
I found that doing it this way
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