This is basically the claim of the BWMA. That people
are educated in metric but never use it in real life. They claim that the
metrication of the economy isolates the average citizen from the products he/she
buys. Rather then encouraging people to use what they have learned, they
would
of capitalism,
which at present has the wind against it.. Strange that Ireland is going
metric and yet has high economic growth, isn't it BWMA?
Han
Message
date : 04-08-2004 06:41From : "MightyChimp"
<[EM
That is typical BWMA-stupidity. They make it appear that Britain has high
economic growth because of its use of ifp, while the present sluggisch
economic growth in The Netherlands, Germany and France is caused by the use of
SI in these countries.
Actually Han that in itself
Tony
Bennett
Questionnaire
August 3
2004,1:01 PM
re: UKMA QuestionnaireWould you like to
see Britain get out of the measurement unit mess? YES, by
Something of interest:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=17141
- Original Message -
From: Carleton MacDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 2004-08-01 18:44
Subject: [USMA:30596] Metric aviation, from the head of Airbus North America
It is better to use Rich-text or HTML to have links that don't break.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: David King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 2004-08-01 18:59
Subject: [USMA:30597] Re: Metric aviation, from the head of Airbus North
I wonder who will be the first person to break the 9 m
barrier.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/olympics_2004/3890861.stm
If you listen to those British who are opposed to the euro
and metrication, they will blame the higher price on euroisation.
BTW, you can print the Euro symbol instead of writing the
word by holding down the alt key and on the numeric keypad typing in 0128, then
releasing the alt key. Like
Some reversions from metric to imperial noted. If
you see some of this, contact someone who can reverse this sad
situation
From the BWMA on-line board:
Kilometre signs going back into miles.Metre signs going back
into yards.Knight Rutley no longer mentioning square metres in their
Life is simpleby Jerry Crownover
Thirty-five years ago, while I was still in high school, I had to learn
how to convert English measurements into metric measurements and vice
versa, because "by the time you're an adult the entire world will
Check this out. It is a kids forum. The
use of imperial is very bad. Kind of prooves people cling to
imperial terms, but rarely get the amounts right. If the kids are
this way, do the adults do any better?
That question we pose
Read this article
http://www.bwmaonline.com/Transport%20-%20Compensation%20Claim.htm
and then this:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=209958messageid=1080583697lp=1090849135
suspended parking bays - metric signMarch 29 2004 at 10:08 AM
Steve
Why 284 mL and 568 mL? Why not 300 mL and 600
mL? If the EU is to harmonise, do so with rational numbers. It is
already done that way in most EU countries, the UK and Ireland would benefit if
they followed suit.
- Original Message -
From:
Han
Maenen
To: U.S. Metric
I think you need to resubmit your post.
All I got were two symbols.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2004-07-31 13:19
Subject: [USMA:30592] RE: Irish Times today
{
PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 2004-07-29 02:40
Subject: Re: [USMA:30573] Re: BWMA to challenge the metric only labelling
law in court
On Wednesday 28 Jul 2004 06:00, MightyChimp wrote:
David,
How would you like to be a poster on the BWMA site? We need UK citizens
to
post
Or more like using a legal unit (grams) to compare two products described by
trade names (inches). I'll bet neither is exactly 8 or 12 inches.
Still, it's another example of a blending of
SI and ifp in the same advertisement.
Stephen
only gives mass in grams. The freedom of expression statement by BWMA
is ridiculous as the amount of the contents is informative rather than
an opinion, and freedom of expression is related more to opinions than
scientific data.
David King
MightyChimp wrote:
Under EC (Should be EU
I totally disagree. If you did that you would reduce postings to a few a
month. Plus, what happens in the UK is a lesson for the US.
Personally, I believe the UKMA, the USMA and One Metre, need to band
together and help the UKMA achieve its goal. Then the next step would be to
end the
Research Fellows
Dr.Q.Cao, email Extn:2782,
Office:S013
Dr. J. S.
Doucette, email Extn:2806,
Office:S007
Dr.
J. G. C. Heald, email Extn:3497,
Office:F040
Dr.A.Kovalchuk, email Extn:2526,
Office:F045
Dr.M.Rashed,
email
Extn:4479, Office:S025
Dr.
A.
The Square Metre is going the way of the Rod, Pole or
PerchJune 13 2004 at 12:46 AM
Tony
Bennett
In November 2002, a magazine called the *Estates
Gazette* dropped metres as the prime measurement of floor area - in other
February in FrithamFebruary 21 2004 at 10:31 PM
Tony
Bennett
Those visitng two delightful spots in Hampshire and Dorset -
Christchurch Priory and Fritham in the New Forest - will now have better
guidance on the distance to
1 September 2004 is Eire's 'K-Day'July 8 2004 at 10:08 AM
Tony
Bennett
According to a coach driver source of mine in the Irish
Republic, Wednesday 1 September 2004 is the Republic's 'K-Day', the day
that the Republic
Dr Kovalchuk to Lord Howe, 9 July 2004July 12 2004 at 8:45 PM
Tony
Bennett
I must say, I am eagerly anticipating Lord Howe's reply
to this letter, reproduced verbatim
Dr Kovalchuk to Lord Howe, 9 July 2004July 12 2004 at 8:45 PM
Tony
Bennett
I must say, I am eagerly anticipating Lord Howe's reply
to this letter, reproduced verbatim
Why is the UKMA allowing this to happen?
Euric
Recent Demetrications - Signs of
ProfessionalismJune 27 2004 at 9:37
AM
Tony
Bennett
To illustrate both the extent to which amendments by
supporters of ARM are
1 September 2004 is Eire's 'K-Day'July 8 2004 at 10:08 AM
Tony
Bennett
According to a coach driver source of mine in the Irish
Republic, Wednesday 1 September 2004 is the Republic's 'K-Day', the day
that the Republic
Dr Kovalchuk to Lord Howe, 9 July 2004July 12 2004 at 8:45 PM
Tony
Bennett
I must say, I am eagerly anticipating Lord Howe's reply
to this letter, reproduced verbatim
Under EC (Should be EU) directive 1999/103, the above-type
packaging (see http://www.bwmaonline.com/International%20-%20US%20packaging.htm
for pictures) will be outlawed for
sale in the European Union after December 2009 - simply because customary units
are displayed alongside metric. Such
I don't inderstand something. Please
explain this to me. If metric is so unwanted in the UK, then why are
these metric signs erected in the first place, and why hasn't the ARM
terrorists acts been able to stop them 100 %?
Euric
I don't understand something. Please explain
this to me. If metric is so unwanted in the UK, then why are these
metric signs erected in the first place, and why hasn't the ARM terrorists
acts been able to stop them 100 %?
Euric
Recent Demetrications - Signs of
ProfessionalismJune 27 2004 at 9:37
AM
Tony
Bennett
To illustrate both the extent to which amendments by
supporters of ARM are increasing nationwide, and the technical quality of
Message -
From:
MightyChimp
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Sunday, 2004-07-25 19:18
Subject: [USMA:30516] Latest NEWS
Latest news
(July 9th 2004)
Teletext poll shows 93% oppose
scrapping
That is because when I submitted them on weekend, they did not post and I
kept resubmitting them thinking they were lost. That is why there are
multiple copies.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Nat Hager III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:
Latest news
(July 9th 2004)
Teletext poll shows 93% oppose
scrapping of mile and
pintA phone in poll conducted by ITV's teletext
service found 93% of 2,340 callers opposed the idea of doing away with
traditional measurements, such as pints
I don't inderstand something. Please
explain this to me. If metric is so unwanted in the UK, then why are
these metric signs erected in the first place, and why hasn't the ARM
terrorists acts been able to stop them 100 %?
Euric
February in FrithamFebruary 21 2004 at 10:31 PM
Tony
Bennett
Those visitng two delightful spots in Hampshire and Dorset -
Christchurch Priory and Fritham in the New Forest - will now have better
guidance on the distance to
Recent Demetrications - Signs of
ProfessionalismJune 27 2004 at 9:37
AM
Tony
Bennett
To illustrate both the extent to which amendments by
supporters of ARM are increasing nationwide, and the technical quality of
The Square Metre is going the way of the Rod, Pole or
PerchJune 13 2004 at 12:46 AM
Tony
Bennett
In November 2002, a magazine called the *Estates
Gazette* dropped metres as the prime measurement of floor area - in other
Latest news
(July 9th 2004)
Teletext poll shows 93% oppose
scrapping of mile and
pintA phone in poll conducted by ITV's teletext
service found 93% of 2,340 callers opposed the idea of doing away with
traditional measurements, such as pints
The BWMA and their terrorist wing known as ARM are able to vandalise metric
signs because they hide behind the "illegality" or perceived illegality of
metric signs. This is why it is of utmost importance that the laws be
modified at once to remove metric restrictions of any type from signs.
From the BWMA message board. It seems they found an
East European who has become a fan of FFU.
Note how he has followed the BWMA use of terms for the
metric system by calling metric "French". Also note the same tired old
BWMA rhetoric about the ease at measuring and computing in FFU
Why is the UKMA allowing this to happen?
Euric
Recent Demetrications - Signs of
ProfessionalismJune 27 2004 at 9:37
AM
Tony
Bennett
To illustrate both the extent to which amendments by
supporters of ARM are
I don't understand something. Please explain
this to me. If metric is so unwanted in the UK, then why are these
metric signs erected in the first place, and why hasn't the ARM terrorists
acts been able to stop them 100 %?
Euric
And hence the ITV Teletext poll just last week recording 93% opposition
to further metrication, after the UKMA had called for the complete obliteration
of British weights and measuers.The people, ultimately, are stronger
than a few pliant Judges looking anxiously for their preferments
Dozens of New Crimes - The Heart's Desire of the UKMA
FanaticsJuly 21 2004 at 12:54
AM
Tony
Bennett
New Labour has already added hundreds of new crimes to
the statute books in the last 7 years - including of course
There is no mile race in the Olympics. There is 1500 m, but no mile.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Harry Wyeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 2004-07-20 17:06
Subject: [USMA:30501] Olympic trials on USA Network
There are no events
2004-07-19
I can't image the IOC caring what units one uses for training. If the units
used in training and the distances used in training are not the same units
and distances used in the actual event that really counts, then it is the
player and the country that loses, not the IOC.
If US
Interesting. I would have thought such a scale would be illegal.
Did you visit any other stores and especially the deli counter? Since your
son lives in Vancouver, maybe he can tell you more as to what the status of
metric vs FFU is in the markets.
As for the 473 mL pint being outrageous, it
This is very correct. In fact if Americans really understood FFU as they
claim to, then there wouldn't be a problem. People could easily compare the
price per ounce with the price per pound. The fact that they can't or have
trouble doing so is evidence that all this love for FFU is based not on
- Original Message -
From: "Carleton MacDonald" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "U.S. Metric Association" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, 2004-07-18 11:11
Subject: [USMA:30469] Ounces and Pounds
Foolish
An article from the business section of The
Washington Post, July 18, 2004, followed by
The UK situation is not a bad situation.
If some thing is4.3 pence for 10 g, that would
be43 p/100 g and 430 pence or 4.3 £/kg. That is a cinch to compare
then if it were in pounds, ounces and smaller FFU units. Yes, it would be
nice if everything was base priced per litre, metre or
- Original Message -
From:
john
mercer
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, 2004-07-17 11:50
Subject: [USMA:30453] U S dairy
Hello does anyone
have any idea what the US dairy industry will do when the FPLA will allow
metric only labeling?
My
Sie is plural as is you-all, which is more commonly spelled y'all.
Sie also means they, which is not the same as the plural you or you-all.
The Olympics do not use feet and inches for the long jump. That is the
American media that does that. And I think also the American Olympians
themselves. I saw some TV video of one of the women's tryouts and near the
landing spot was a sign that had 7 m on top and underneath was 21 , 22, and
23
It might have a lot to do with four different people (or maybe more)
involved in the whole process:
1.) The person who decides to use the half-litre size.
2.) The person who is in charge of designing the label for the bottle itself
3.) The person who designs the carton for the bottles
4.) The
The inch is precisely defined as 25.4 mm, however, this can
never be more precise than metric. As MightyChimp wrote, FFUs are today
defined more by their metric equivalents. For centuries the imperial
measurements have changed over time, between places and sometimes the names
chan
English, imperial, USC are all apart of FFU, but not the
other way around. FFU is just a collective name for ALL non-SI
units. Calling something "imperial" excludes USC, old French, German,
Chinese units, etc.
Euric
- Original Message -
From:
Bill
Hooper
To: U.S.
Wouldn't it be pronounced like thee.I think Ye or the concept of it
is survived in modern American English as You-all. It may also be derived
from the German Ihr, which is the plural form of you. The present English
you is the same as du (common form) in German, the Thou is the same as Sie
- Original Message -
From:
Paul Trusten,
R.Ph.
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: Lorelle Young ; Valerie Antoine ; Don
Hillger
Sent: Thursday, 2004-07-15 11:07
Subject: [USMA:30426] Fw: your "Metric
Meddlers" column in the Telegraph
Received the
METNOW steps up challenge, and
fails
Posted By: Bryan ParryDate: Tuesday, 13 July 2004, at 10:01
a.m.
METNOW steps up challenge, and fails
Despite last minute demands by METNOW, the
paramilitary wing of the UKMA, the BBC and other organisers went on with their
"Extra Mile"
'Get priorities right' on weights and measures
Senior Conservatives have called on
local authorities across
I received this garbage in my email today. If the
majority of Americans would read this they would no doubt whole heartedly
agree. Now as your reading this, think about metrication and what the
author of this trash and those that would agree with it would think about
metrication.
This is
Title: Message
I would bet if this guy was asked, he would say he prefers
the old coinage system to decimals just so he wouldn't appear to be a
hypocrite. Most of those who are members of the BWMA would return the
money back to L.s.d if they had the power to do so.
Euric
- Original
The address may be valid, but his mailbox may be filled up
and all excesses bounce back as undeliverable.
Euric
- Original Message -
From:
Bill
Hooper
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, 2004-07-12 17:17
Subject: [USMA:30385] Johnston's Metric
Meddlers
Well, if they are rejecting any email from outside of the UK, then send it
to someone in the UK and have them forward it. Like maybe Chris and Terry.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Bill Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 2004-07-12
Chris,
What is the status of the pound in the UK as far as trade
is concerned?
If I go into a shop and ask for a pound of cheese and the
trader deliberately vends me 500 g and I pay and leave without saying a word,
did he breakany law? If I get home and notice that I got 500 g and
paid
METRICSUCKS.COM Message Board
That bloody gun!
Posted By: SteveHDate: Sunday, 11 July 2004, at 9:44 a.m.
UKMA shoot thamselves in the foot again.
For the three people who even "noticed" there publicity
drive last week (did *anyone* see anything about it on TV or in the papers?)
Sport Relief raises £11m
GO THE EXTRA MILE
Sport Relief Saturday:10 July 2004
BBC One from 1900 BST
Donate
to
It would be more like16 %. A yard is 0.9144
m,thusa square yard is 0.836 127 m^2
or 16.4 % smaller.
Euric
- Original Message -
From:
john
mercer
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, 2004-07-10 11:51
Subject: [USMA:30345] rule of thumb
Hello could
Most Americans like being dumb. Learning something is just not kewl!
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Brij Bhushan Vij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, 2004-07-10 11:55
Subject: [USMA:30346] RE: Saturn Hailstorm
Sirs:
Cassini, and
Pat,
Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the Australian government ban the
importation and sale of non-metric measuring devices in the 70s and 80s?
This ban helped wean the people off of FFU much faster then if the sale of
non-metric measuring devices had been permitted.
Euric
- Original
A better compromise would be to use the term hectopascals instead of
millibars. I know some people have a problem with hectopascals, but at
least it is an SI unit (SI unit pascal with prefix hecto), where as millibar
is not.
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Chris KEENAN [EMAIL
http://www.bwmaonline.com/Anti-Metric%20Petition.htm
Go here and fill out this survey:
Metric Survey
BWMA is holding an internet survey
to measure support for the view that traditional weights and measures should
again be regarded as Britain's official system. Please read the
http://www.bwmaonline.com/Consumer%20Surveys.htm
Consumer Surveys
When metric-only education commenced in 1975, the
government believed that the proportion of people thinking in UK units would
decline as increasing numbers of school leavers replaced the previous
generation. Thus,
Title: Message
Very Interesting. I didn't really find anything
overtly negative. There was the one Scotsman article that converted miles
to kilometres BWMA style to make them look silly. I would hope the public
is not that stupid to think it would really be that way.
This whole campaign
Here is the full report for those who make just want to click on the link
from here:
It is 64 pages
http://www.ukma.org.uk/Docs/VBM.pdf
Euric
Why do I get the feeling the engine was designed as a 100 kW engine, then
dumb-downed and rounded to the 133 horsepowers and then back-converted and
not rounded correctly to the original, intended 100 kW?
Here is a perfect example of FFU making a muddle of figures.
Euric
- Original Message
How many times have you read about a power station that
provides "so many" megawatts per day? Then complain to the person who made
the reference that it is just megawatts and the per day added means that
many more added each day, then be told "whatever" or some other cutesy
remark. And
I would say it is about time.
I hope the first line of action will be to remove any anti-metric laws from
the WMA. Especially the one about pints only in the pubs and the illegality
of having metric road signs. I feel that just by removing the prohibition
to metric units will cause some
I guess after having read the articles, and the initial euphoria over this
initiative has died down somewhat, it makes me wonder what plans are there
to carry out this initiative?
I hope this isn't something that is all air and no substance. If it is, it
will make the UKMA look very foolish not
Another Scotsman article:
http://news.scotsman.com/uk.cfm?id=782702004
Howe weighs in to debate
A CAMPAIGN to end the very British mess of the state of weights and
measures in this country was launched today by Lord Howe of Aberavon, the
former Tory chancellor.
Lord Howe
Jul 2004 21:07, MightyChimp wrote:
I guess after having read the articles, and the initial euphoria over
this
initiative has died down somewhat, it makes me wonder what plans are
there
to carry out this initiative?
I hope this isn't something that is all air and no substance
http://chris-linfootnet/plinks/CWLT-626DBH
Post your response to this guys
question
http://erazo.org/forum/metrication.htm
You may want to go here and express you
views.
Notice how the BWMA uses double-speak. I have
interspersed some comments below and after their statements:
The purpose of
road signs is to communicate information regarding distance and speed to
motorists and other users. We have such a system: yards,
Why does the UK use m to mean mile when it is already designated as a
symbol for metre? Doesn't that create confusion?
Euric
- Original Message -
From: Terry Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 2004-07-06 11:33
Subject: [USMA:30302]
Here is the actual poll:
http://www.abc.net.au/riverina/vote/past.htm
Question 5While at school, which system of measurement did you
learn?
Imperial
Metric
Both
53%
20%
26%
Question 5Which system of measurement do you think is the best
In the great debate between metric and FFU I have never
been given an answer when asked as to exactly what defines a product as being a
metric product vs. an FFU product?
1.) If a product is designed and engineered as a metric
product with rounded metric dimensions, but marketed as an FFU
Not long ago, IC chips had their pin spacing set at 0.1
inch or 2.54 mm. About 1990, the organisation in charge of the standard
defining the pin pitch called JEDEC, changed the specification for all future
designed chips to use a rounded metric pin pitch.
The rule basically states that the
The use of feet/inch for height measurements maybe common in countries
formerly under British rule or in countries where the inch based clothes
sizing system still persists. Funny how members of the BWMA will lobby
against metrication on the grounds metric is not a part of the culture,
but it
I'm just curious as to how people in metric countries who continue to use
feet/inch for height measurements, actually do the measuring. Do they
measure in centimetres, then convert? Do they have inch based tape measures
and use them? Do they have someone else do the measuring and just tell
Two different Yahoo articles on the restoration of the
frauenkirche in Dresden, give two different "feet" dimensions for the height of
the cross:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/nm/20040622/wl_nm/germany_dresden_dc_1
The 23-foot cross completes the church's outer shell and restores
EC "metric-only"
labelling is illegal
Since 1979, the
European Commission has sought a single system of measurement within the EU.
This was achieved on January 1st, 2000 for all regulated transactions. Apart
from a number of specified exceptions, such as the pint in British and
ECHR rubberstamps Laws'
new Laws
No sooner had the European Court of
Human Rights (ECHR) blocked Steven Thoburn's appeal against his conviction for
using pounds and ounces on February 12th 2004, than trading standards officers
renewed their assault on British traders using British
It comes from your friends at the BWMA. I posted
this and a few others from their site, hoping to trigger a discussion since this
board seems to be dead lately.
You might want to go to theirr site: http://www.bwmaonline.com and peruse it and
see to what extent they try to coerce the people
http://www.theglobalist.com/DBWeb/printStoryId.aspx?StoryId=2431
A selective influence
Moreover, some U.S. practices are very attractive to other countries: honest
regulation of drugs, as by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA); transparent
securities laws and practices that limit
You may get your wish, but in form you will not want.
If the George Bush dictatorship and the Carlyle Group holds onto their power
and begins the 2-nd phase of their conquest of the American people, you will
see some very noticeable changes by this time next year. I'm not sure if
the proponents
-02 11:49
Subject: [USMA:30274] Re: European directive includes kh/h road signs?
On Thursday 01 Jul 2004 23:27, MightyChimp wrote:
The UK was given an opt out, that is why they are exempt.
The UK was not given an 'opt-out', nor is it 'exempt'. Both the UK and
Ireland
were given 'derogations
The legality of metric signs has never been
tested in the courts.
--
Chris KEENAN
UK Metric Assoc.: metric.org.uk
Well, shouldn't they be, especially if metric is the legal system for the
UK? How could one initiate a test case?
Euric
If the author is an anti-German, anti-EU Brit, I can see where he would make
such an assertion. This is like saying that the only way England would go
metric is under the form a foreign dictatorship. Some English see Germany
as a rival for control of the world's institutions and culture.
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