[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-11 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
I don't think groups these recordings really have any insight into the sensibilities of 17th century players. Perhaps you know Agostino Agazzari article 'Del sonare sopra il basso', published in 1607? It among other interesting matters makes it very clear that the orchestration could be _very_

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-11 Thread Martyn Hodgson
at the same time! MH --- On Sun, 11/12/11, Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl wrote: From: Lex Eisenhardt eisenha...@planet.nl Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Sunday, 11 December, 2011, 9:24 I don't think groups

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-11 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
I suppose it could be said that the guitar would be covered by his etc... Also note he only mentions the 'chitarrino' (small 4 course instrument?) in his list of embellishing instruments and omits the larger (5 course) guitar. This, I suggest, implies that the guitar does indeed

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-11 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? Dear Monica On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: ... The idea that because the ciaccona was originally a popular doesn't mean that anything based on it to be performed in a popular manner. Kapsberger's villanelle may have been

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-10 Thread wikla
Dear Monica On Sat, 10 Dec 2011, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: .. The idea that because the ciaccona was originally a popular doesn't mean that anything based on it to be performed in a popular manner. Kapsberger's villanelle may have been popular songs but that doesn't seem to

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 09/12/2011 06:23, Rockford Mjos wrote: I have added the score Capona Espagnola from the De Gallot Ms to my Ning page. (I tried to also upload one by Valdambrini, but Ning seems to be stubborn tonight.) Very interesting - and in the same key as the two in

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 08/12/2011 23:58, Eloy Cruz wrote: Dear Stuart, list This is from Cotarelo y Mori's Colección: p. CCXXXVII. Capona (La) (Baile). Dicc. de Autoridades: ³Son ó baile a modo de la Mariona; pero más rápido y bullicioso, con el cual y á cuyo tañido se cantan varias coplillas². A very bad

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? How interesting. Any idea what: of very bad circumstances might mean? Or is it just meant to be suggestive of what 'decent' people would not do. Or something to do with eunuchs? It does indeed have something to do with eunuchs! As I understand it Capona

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Monica Hall
Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? On 09/12/2011 06:23, Rockford Mjos wrote: I have added the score Capona Espagnola from the De Gallot Ms to my Ning page. (I tried to also upload one by Valdambrini, but Ning seems to be stubborn tonight.) Ning indeed seems very stubborn tonight

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
I must say that this music is far slinkier than I'm used to hearing in 17th century music! I wonder what they got up to when they danced to it (and which was condemned at the time)? I'd guess it would seem very tame to compared to some of the overtly sexual dance of today. Exactly!

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona Espagnola (Gallot)

2011-12-09 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Capona Espagnola (Gallot) About the Capona, Monica says: Apparently it is a characteristic of the Capona that it divides

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? Exactly! I think this present day obsession with the idea

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
the cultural group the music originated from? Yesteryear's hip hop? Jocelyn From: Monica Hall [1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 21:42:03 + To: Stuart Walsh [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist [3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-09 Thread Stuart Walsh
...@ntlworld.com Cc: Vihuelalist[3]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Capona? - Original Message - From: Stuart Walsh[4]s.wa...@ntlworld.com To: Monica Hall[5]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk Cc: Vihuelalist[6]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-08 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Hi Stuart, I don't know what capona means, and I don't have the music handy, but I enjoyed this. I like your tempo. Best, Jocelyn From: Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:14:31 + To: Vihuelalist [2]vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject:

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-08 Thread Rockford Mjos
Stuart, Very enjoyable (as always). I think you've given a very musical rendering of the quirky rhythms. In addition, Valdambrini has 12 in his second book. But I'm clueless about the form or dance itself. -- R On Dec 8, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Stuart Walsh wrote: Timo Peedu has edited some

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-08 Thread Eloy Cruz
Dear Stuart, list This is from Cotarelo y Mori's Colección: p. CCXXXVII. Capona (La) (Baile). Dicc. de Autoridades: ³Son ó baile a modo de la Mariona; pero más rápido y bullicioso, con el cual y á cuyo tañido se cantan varias coplillas². A very bad English translation could be: Music and dance

[VIHUELA] Re: Capona?

2011-12-08 Thread Rockford Mjos
Thanks Eloy. Your comment got me to pull out Rogerio Budasz's dissertation :The Five-Course Guitar (Viola) in Portugal and Brazil He has several paragraphs on the Capona and Mariona, including an excerpt from two plays which both fit your reference to the play on words, one