One assumption I haven't bothered to voice, and maybe someone will
correct me if wrong, is that the plate spacing TRUMPS any difference induced
by the gas motion relative to those plates, In fact I assume after
equalization of gas pressure throughout a cavity the normal motion ascribed
by
OrionWorks wrote:
I'm under the impression that you have not looked into this subject to
any great extent.
That is correct. That's why I asked how many pilots have reported anomalies.
. . . your comments about the reliability of the pilots you've known seems
uncharacteristically anecdotal.
Jones wrote on 7-31-09:
My advice is to read up on everything Don Hotson has
written, and then try to contact him (if he is still
alive). Last time I heard from him was over a year ago
and he was ill. Actually, he is such a good writer, and
poor speaker that everything you need is in his essays.
Thanks, Horace, this was enlightening.
Is it fair to say that,
a) The Casimir force is a surface phenomenon, unlike most common forces,
which act on the body of the material, including all the forces
mentioned below in (b);
b) The net Casimir force which acts on a body due to the presence of
Or that what we observe is a three dimensional intersection of a
multi-dimensional object. Flatworlders would observe a growing and
shrinking circle as a sphere passed through their reality.
Terry
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:35 PM, OrionWorkssvj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Reminds me of another
From Jed:
OrionWorks wrote:
I'm under the impression that you have not looked into this subject to
any great extent.
That is correct. That's why I asked how many pilots have reported anomalies.
. . . your comments about the reliability of the pilots you've known seems
Allow me to point out that some of these incidents wherein people went
apeshit with delusions had a basis in fact. In Europe and possibly in the
Witch trials in early America, Huntington's disease was undiagnosed:
http://curehd.blogspot.com/2008/08/roots-of-our-stigma.html
As for other
Could we all consider the possibility that the sightings and abductions
reported over the years were experienced in a manner that bypassed the five
senses and were sent directly to a person's brain by entities that cannot
effectively manipulate matter and energy but operate outside the real
world.
But Jeff, artifacts do exist. They have been seen by people and
described in detail. Granted, you are not allowed to see them, but is
that required for you to believe? In addition, the abductees describe
conditions in the space crafts and instruments used for examination
that are in many
There is an interesting book called The Science of Extraterrestrials by Eric
Julien. It goes with the temporal bubble idea.
There's a notion I have about weird phenomena that I avoided discussing because
it is so difficult to articulate. It concerns reductionism. By its very
nature, science
Edmund Storms wrote:
But Jeff, artifacts do exist. They have been seen by people and
described in detail. Granted, you are not allowed to see them, but is
that required ...
Of course, in the realm of science, actually seeing something is not
necessary to believe in it. However, in general,
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm
But Jeff, artifacts do exist. They have been seen by people and
described in detail.
Of course your point is good, Steven. If the hidden artifacts were
the only evidence, believing the UFO claims would be impossible. But,
let's use you example. Suppose people could drive up to your house
and see that the lights are on but you are not hooked to the grid or
to any other
Chris Zell wrote:
I don't understand how the whole of medicine can rest on the assumption
that simple diffusion can get extremely small doses of medicine to the
proper receptors. Like DNA telekinesis?
I guess you've never been involved with setting doses through titration,
then. It's not
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jeff Fink wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 12:00 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm
But Jeff, artifacts do exist. They have
With all of this incessant prattle concerning the OT topic of UFOs and
abduction scenarios grabbing much of the Vort bandwidth did anyone
notice that BlackLight Power has announced its sixth commercial
deal?
Edmund Storms wrote:
Of course your point is good, Steven. If the hidden artifacts were the
only evidence, believing the UFO claims would be impossible. But, let's
use you example. Suppose people could drive up to your house and see
that the lights are on but you are not hooked to the
On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:13 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Thanks, Horace, this was enlightening.
Is it fair to say that,
a) The Casimir force is a surface phenomenon, unlike most common
forces,
which act on the body of the material, including all the forces
mentioned below in (b);
Again,
But, Steven, all that is decidedly ON TOPIC:
http://amasci.com/weird/wvort.html
The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of
professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which
exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer,
Huffman, Griggs, and
MC: You won't get much satisfaction from the press release itself. As a BLP
watcher, I can offer some unofficial background.
The positinve part is that there are now six corporate entities who have
seen internal presentations and demonstrations and have made license
commitments of varying
http://www.technologyreview.com/business/23102/
Sidebar:
Power pistons: General Fusion's reactor is a metal sphere with 220
pneumatic pistons designed to ram its surface simultaneously. The
ramming creates an acoustic wave that travels through a lead-lithium
liquid and eventually accelerates
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 1:58 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Cc: Edmund Storms
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: The Abduction Paradigm
On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Jeff Fink wrote:
-Original Message-
From:
Terry Blanton wrote:
http://www.technologyreview.com/business/23102/
Sidebar:
Power pistons: General Fusion's reactor is a metal sphere with 220
pneumatic pistons designed to ram its surface simultaneously. The
ramming creates an acoustic wave that travels through a lead-lithium
liquid
As to titration and medicine, you don't understand what I mean. A long time
ago, Bill Beaty commented on this problem - and the recent report on DNA
segments 'just knowing where to go' illustrates the issue.
You have positive and negative charges, attraction and repulsion and this is
Some sort of exception regarding patents should be made for Mills'. The guy
obviously has something that the world needs and he literally can not share
what he knows! He did make a good faith effort to patent the device but his
theory was rejected and patent denied. Later Haisch and Moddel applied
From Mr. Fink
...
Then why are we not being contacted by real aliens?
The Conundrum brought to our attention by Jeff in a sense goes to the
heart of what I've tried to explore in my hypothesis.
We have a problem agreeing on what is real. If we cannot agree on what
is real it is unlikely that
From Mr. Zell
In short, it may send chills up the spines of many academics to
say so but one day, the bill for Promissary Materialism is going
to come due for payment in full. When that happens ghosts,
reincarnation, UFOs, poltergeists and heaven knows what else may
look very different.
From Mr. Lawrence:
...
Here, let me make this more concrete: I have a perpetual motion
machine in my basement. I can describe what it does, and how
wonderfully it works. I'll explain to you how I've tied it into
my house wiring, and how I no longer have to pay anything for my
From Mr. Storms:
...
Who is doing this planting of coordinated vision? Who wants us to
believe in aliens? The government is doing everything it can to kill
this belief.
Just some idle off-the-wall speculation follows...a fable of sorts:
Once upon a time there existed a civilization millions
From Mr. Fink:
...
You and most people on this list are not going to like my answer to
this. Demons (evil spirits) and their hosts are intending to masquerade
as benevolent aliens in the near future. The victims thus far are not
the hosts but pawns.
A brief epilogue to my previous
OrionWorks wrote:
From Mr. Lawrence:
...
Here, let me make this more concrete: I have a perpetual motion
machine in my basement. I can describe what it does, and how
wonderfully it works. I'll explain to you how I've tied it into
my house wiring, and how I no longer have to pay
OrionWorks wrote:
From Mr. Storms:
...
Who is doing this planting of coordinated vision? Who wants us to
believe in aliens? The government is doing everything it can to kill
this belief.
Just some idle off-the-wall speculation follows...a fable of sorts:
Once upon a time there
Expanding on an idea posted here earlier.
The Casimir force is hypothesized here to be at least part of the van
der Waals force that can bind noble gas atoms like Argon, or
molecules, especially symmetric molecules, like CCL4. This suggests
that moving van der Waals bound molecules
[John gave me his permission to re-post to the whole group the follow-up to
my earlier question to him regarding primary sources.}
I understand that a primary source for the assertion may not exist, which is
why I am asking for it. Much of what is sent around on the Net is invented
for
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