[Vo]:OT: Duplicate vortex-l EMAIL addresses coming to my home account

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Sorry about that, Terry, I appear to have an extra phantom eMail account linked to vortex-l account. I don't know what the additional eMail address might be named, but I think it might be linked to my official address of orionwo...@charter.net. I'm trying to contact my website provider in the

RE: [Vo]:OT: Duplicate vortex-l EMAIL addresses coming to my home account

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Whoa! ALL my reply vortex eMail now says: s...@orionworks.com in the reply setting. I don't get it. That shouldn't happen! I DIDN'T resubscribe to vortex-l as s...@orionworks.com I'm having difficulty killing s...@orionworks.com. Again my official address should be orionwo...@charter.net. My

RE: [Vo]:OT: Duplicate vortex-l EMAIL addresses coming to my home account

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
This is really strange. I'm replying to my second post. In my previous post the reply-to said s...@orionworks.com so, I manually inserted the vortex-l mailing list. When it returned via vortex-l, I noticed that the reply address now seems to be pointing correctly to vortex-l. Why the difference?

[Vo]:unsubscribe

2011-02-11 Thread svj

[Vo]:OT: another damned test

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
I think I killed my s...@orionworks.com account Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks

[Vo]:More change regarding rotating gas: less shear and new normal stress variations

2011-02-11 Thread David Jonsson
I had to adjust my calculations again because of failures of the previous calculations. It is significantly simplified and the torque effect is now much lower than in previous versions. I can no longer explain the Venusian winds. One thing I still wonder about is how an equilibrium could be

Re: [Vo]:OT: another damned test

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
Probably not since you sent the unsubscribe message to Vortex-l. You must send it to vortex-l-request for it to work. T On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: I think I killed my s...@orionworks.com account Regards, Steven

Re: [Vo]:OT: another damned test

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Terry Sez: Probably not since you sent the unsubscribe message to Vortex-l. You must send it to vortex-l-request for it to work. I immediately realized my mistake and resubmitted it to vortex-l-request. But of course nobody will see that! I just look dumb! So, what else is new. ;-) I think

Re: [Vo]:OT: another damned test

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I just look dumb! So, what else is new. ;-) Anybody with such a loving cat doesn't look dumb. Cat's do not select dumb servants. T

RE: [Vo]:More change regarding rotating gas: less shear and new normal stress variations

2011-02-11 Thread Jones Beene
Interesting paper David, This comment is more about the scope and/or open-endedness of the paper. As I am reading though it, I am hoping to find any suggestions towards the intriguing question posed in the opening - that the winds on Saturn are incredibly fast and blow 500 m/s faster than

[Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
From the WSJ, a few minutes ago: Egyptian Vice President Suleiman says President Mubarak has stepped down and has delegated Egypt's affairs to the army. Mubarak may very well be a scumbag who richly deserved to get kicked out of office, but the proximate cause of the demise of his power is, as

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Gluck
Good analysis- congrats! Hopefully Egypt will not be Iranized. It is a crime against Nature to use plants to manufacture fuels, and is crime against human nature to burn ethyl alcohol. Randy Mills energy source is on the way- building a new infrastructure for the new generators will provide

RE: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen I agree with your conclusion - except one point needs to be clarified. When corn is converted into ethanol, the protein is not lost - only the carbos. Brewer's yeast is a substantial by-product that actually increases the net amount of protein over what would be available by eating

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Yes, Mr. Lawrence, Indeed, this is very on-topic. The news is spreading like wildfire through out the internet. I think you and Jones have pretty much nailed the pertinent issues. We stand here wondering if Rossi and/or Mills will put out in short order. Or maybe someone else will suddenly be

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Gluck
As far I remember, corn contains up to 75% starch and 10+/-2% protein. The farmer's work is burned in great part.. Here in Romania the price of food is also increasing fast. And we have learned that the revolutions are systematically stolen. For details re alcohol and what happens after a regime

[Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Cude
Response to the query fwded by Rich Murray (appended): I think the only people who can answer your questions are people who attended the demo, the best person being Levi himself. But I agree that the pump is suspicious. It looks exactly like the J5 pump you refer to, that has a max flow rate of 2

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 02/11/2011 12:59 PM, Joshua Cude wrote: [The pump] looks exactly like the J5 pump you refer to, that has a max flow rate of 2 gal (7.6L) per hr. In fact the only pumps that company makes that exceed 2 gal/hr could not be mistaken for the one in the photo. So, the only possibilities I can

RE: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Jones Beene
We discussed this some time ago. Check the archives. As you can see in the photos, the reservoir is sitting on a scale. They monitor the decrease in water by grams and by the time for when refills are added. This was done carefully and is not rocket science. Are you implying that the

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-11 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 10, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: The theory is the helium is the end of a sequence of fissions initiated by palladium nuclei absorbing neutrons. (end quote of Harry Veeder, Jed continues ...) Ah. I see. And I gather it involves

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Horace Heffner
The flow rate was stated as measured at 292 ml/min, or 17.5 liters/ hr. If it actually was 7.6 liter/hr then that is either fraud or major incompetence on the part of someone. I think there is little doubt the assumption of steam dryness is not warranted, for the reasons discussed here

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Cude
The problem is the need for replenishment. No mention of how much was added is in the report, and since the weight of the reservoir is not mentioned anyway, there's really nothing to falsify. The fact that it's not rocket science does not mean no one should pay attention to it. Could they not come

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: The flow rate was stated as *measured* at 292 ml/min, or 17.5 liters/hr. If it actually was 7.6 liter/hr then that is either fraud or major incompetence on the part of someone. They collected the water for 30 s and

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: Please examine the supplied table. It shows that steam that is 1.4 % water droplets by volume carries away only 5.04 % as much heat as anticipated. That margin of error is far less than that specified at 100% humidity for the probe used, even if its use were valid for this

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: I don't think the calorimetry needs to be that good if there are no energy inputs (electrical or chemical), and the test is run long enough. The world will pay attention to the field again only when the talk of energy gain is replaced by

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Joshua Cude
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.netwrote: On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: I don't think the calorimetry needs to be that good if there are no energy inputs (electrical or chemical), and the test is run long enough. The world will pay

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-11 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net To: Vortex-L vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 1:54:00 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results I think the notion of super heavy electrons suppressing gammas and other neuron activation radiation,

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Harry Veeder
Peter Gluck wrote: Randy Mills energy source is on the way- building a new infrastructure for the new generators will provide hundreds of millions of jobs ...for hundreds of millions of cold fusion powered mobile robots. ;-) harry

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Gluck
The danger of robots causing losing of jobs are highly exaggerated Computers have created many jobs for clerks.. Peter On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Peter Gluck wrote: Randy Mills energy source is on the way- building a new infrastructure for the

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:20:10 -0900: Hi, [snip] The flow rate was stated as measured at 292 ml/min, or 17.5 liters/ hr. If it actually was 7.6 liter/hr then that is either fraud or major incompetence on the part of someone. The difference between 17.5

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:58:58 -0900: Hi, [snip] No one should invest a dime in any CF scheme for business purposes unless expert calorimetry is performed in due diligence. ...or the device is both self-powered and producing excess power. Regards, Robin

Re: [Vo]:pump and flow rate

2011-02-11 Thread Peter Gluck
It is not a typo, actually Levi's report http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdf http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/LeviGreportonhe.pdfsays 168 g in 45 seconds- that 13.4 liters per hour. The 17.8 liters/hour value comes from Marianne Macy's report, 14g in 30 seconds. Source unknown.

Re: [Vo]:More change regarding rotating gas: less shear and new normal stress variations

2011-02-11 Thread David Jonsson
Hi Nice comments. It will probably take months until I have reach as far as to answer your questions On Jupiter there are complex winds, some faster and some slower than the planet. I would gladly treat the winds on any planet but there is too little data on them. I need pressure and

RE: [Vo]:More change regarding rotating gas: less shear and new normal stress variations

2011-02-11 Thread Jones Beene
Well, not to get too far off the subject - but you probably heard of the so-called Project Lucifer, which was kind of a silly conspiracy theory which had arguable support from mystical texts. There is the slight chance that the high winds of Saturn are already associated with some kind of

[Vo]: flies in Ockham's face... was, Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-11 Thread Mark Iverson
Is it flies in Ockie's face, or just one big-ass, never-before-seen, new-species type of fly! :-) see below... Jones wrote: He finds numerous channels for fusion, and by implication, there are numerous possible nuclear reactions other than fusion, all at the same time. All in the same

Re: [Vo]:Krivit praises Miles while dismissing his results

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I think an end should be put to the con-fusion, Hear here! :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Mubarak steps down: This is actually on-topic.

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: ...for hundreds of millions of cold fusion powered mobile robots. ;-) Chickens. T

[Vo]:flies in Ockham's face

2011-02-11 Thread Horace Heffner
Vortex must be holding up some posts. I am seeing posts in out of time order, and quotes of posts not yet reaching me. In response to Mark, I think resonant tunneling concepts may not provide the simplest interpretation of what is happening. Foremost, they do not account for the lack of

[Vo]:Voynich Manuscript

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
Older than thought: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-02-experts-age.html Experts determine age of book 'nobody can read' February 10, 2011 By Daniel Stolte The Voynich manuscript's unintelligible writings and strange illustrations have defied every attempt at understanding their meaning.

[Vo]:OU candidate ? Doubt it

2011-02-11 Thread Jones Beene
Quantum pendulum trick explained Immersed in a special ultracold liquid, swinging is faster By Alexandra Witze Friday, January 28th, 2011 http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/69281/title/Quantum_pendulum_tric k_explained Physicists have explained yet another quirk of the quantum world:

Re: [Vo]:OU candidate ? Doubt it

2011-02-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: “Quantum pendulum trick explained”  Immersed in a special ultracold liquid, swinging is faster Increased momentum near the wall separating negative energy from positive energy? Interesting. T

Re: [Vo]:OU candidate ? Doubt it

2011-02-11 Thread Harry Veeder
faster may mean shorter period but with a reduced amplitude. harry From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 11, 2011 7:57:32 PM Subject: [Vo]:OU candidate ? Doubt it “Quantum pendulum trick explained” Immersed in a special ultracold liquid, swinging