[Vo]:INFORMAVORE's SUNDAY No. 464

2011-07-17 Thread Peter Gluck
My dear Friends, It's Sunday and I am sending you again a new issue of my newsletter. Please find it at: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/07/informavores-sunday-no-464.html Very slowly, it's popularity is increasing- thank you, Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

2011-07-17 Thread Damon Craig
Uhhh. I give up. How is a kink in a thermal curve evidence of exothermic activity? On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 06:38 PM 7/15/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote: At 03:21 PM 7/15/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: A new interview to Sergio Focardi

[Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube

2011-07-17 Thread Ron Kita
Greetings Vortex, An amazing youtube video on an easy antigravity effect. Is this real of photo shopped??? Easy and not much time to reproduce..and extremely inexpensive. CD Disc, Batteries and Cell Phone and a nickel for weight.

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I know quite what Rossi would have said: Too dangerous. I emptied it just now, so it's safe to hold this up, but water condenses inside the hose, because the steam cools, and eventually enough will build up that boiling hot water will spurt out

Re: [Vo]:Spring constant between water molecules derived from bulk modulus

2011-07-17 Thread David Jonsson
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:52 PM, David Jonsson davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Can someone help me to derive the spring constant between water molecules based on the bulk modulus of water? It seems simple

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube

2011-07-17 Thread Terry Blanton
:-) The end was the best. T

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube

2011-07-17 Thread Alexander Hollins
one of the big problems in trying to replicate is going to be the phone. What carrier are they on, what model of phone? That will have an effect on the frequency, which would be tied to the effect if real. Personally, it looks like air to me, tubes hidden by the batteries. On Sun, Jul 17, 2011

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
That is certainly a trick. The poster of the video wrote himself the label trick .

RE: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview -Dynamic Casimir Effect

2011-07-17 Thread francis
On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 10:30:12 Jones Beene wrote [snip]If there is a dynamical Casimir effect (DCE) in any anomalous-energy system,such that force is converted into energy (or negative energy) in anongoing process, then it can be either hot or cold (or net neutral) relative to an external

RE: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Joshua: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson; My perception on the reactor core has always implied that the volume of water entering the reactor core could vary. Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken. Rossi uses a pump designed to maintain a constant flow, and all

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:40 AM 7/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: (Remember the skeptics evolution as a phenomenon is proved: 1. It's not true; 2. It may be true, but not important. 3. It's true and important, but we have always known it.) Here's the believers' progression: 1. The experiment proves it's true. 2.

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:27 AM 7/17/2011, Damon Craig wrote: Uhhh. I give up. How is a kink in a thermal curve evidence of exothermic activity? It's unclear what Damon is responding to. However, a change in the slope of a heating curve will generally indicate some variation in condition, such as changed input

Re: [Vo]:Antigravity- Easy Experiment-via Youtube

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:00 PM 7/17/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: The end was the best. Yeah, the card and the coin completely disappear, right at the end, showing that this was indeed a visual trick. Waste of time. That's why I'm disclosing that here. It's not impossible that some radio frequency phenomenon

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua apparently wrote: Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken. Rossi uses a pump designed to maintain a constant flow, and all his calculations (including Krivit's video of him calculating the power) assume constant flow rate. And if the flow is constant at 5

[Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, All starts in the following link. It appears that the story is true, in that the person below did actually get to visit Rossi recently: http://ecatnews.com/?p=489#comment-70 Julian Brown July 17, 2011 - 12:41 pm | Permalink Rossi gave me a personal demonstration of a group of 4

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
I found some Julian Brown here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=360cpage=7#comment-21219 He starts a long discussion here: http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=497cpage=5#comment-44502

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an inventor with this name: http://www.google.com.br/search?q=site:www.epo.org+julian+brownnum=100hl=pt-BRsafe=offrls=com.microsoft:en-USrlz=1I7GGLL_pt-BRprmd=ivnsofilter=0biw=1280bih=653

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-07-17 22:16, Daniel Rocha wrote: I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an inventor with this name: Then it's possible that it isn't his real name or that he isn't related with EPO or other patent offices. If the latter is the case, then I guess Rossi might

[Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Jones Beene
Akira posted Julian Brown's recent criticism on Rossi in which he shares Steven Krivit's skepticism, based on lack of scientific standards of proof. Like Krivit, he cannot say that there is no robust anomaly, but only that the proof is weak to non-existent; and that Rossi is not only stubborn, but

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Julian Brown seems to be a clown. At least he is what you guys call a pseudoskeptic.

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
BTW, I refer to the Julian Brown of the EPO, not this one: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
It seems that this EPO's Julian mentioned that he worked at Oxford during the 80's, to make some kind of smoke screan with Julian Brown from Oxford. They do not have anything to do with each other:

RE: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Jones Beene
Daniel, They are the same person. JS Brown, formerly of Oxford is the same Julian Brown, now with the EPO. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha BTW, I refer to the Julian Brown of the EPO, not this one: http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.1878

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
So, why does he uses the Oxford address? That doesn't make sense since the EPO's Julian, according to himself, was just in Oxford only during the 80's.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Joshua apparently wrote: Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken. Rossi uses a pump designed to maintain a constant flow, and all his calculations (including Krivit's video of him calculating

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:10 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: From my POV it is conceivable that Rossi, while monitoring the January demonstration, might have occasionally adjusted water inflow to help maintain a consistent volume of water within the

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: Hello group, Andrea Rossi July 17th, 2011 at 1:54 PM Dear Paul Story: Very funny: this clown, named Julian Brown, wrote me saying he was an officer of the Patent Office and that he wanted give me suggestions.

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 03:27 AM 7/17/2011, Damon Craig wrote: Uhhh. I give up. How is a kink in a thermal curve evidence of exothermic activity? It's unclear what Damon is responding to. However, a change in the slope of a

RE: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:10 PM 7/17/2011, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: From Joshua: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson; My perception on the reactor core has always implied that the volume of water entering the reactor core could vary. Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken.

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 12:40 AM 7/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: (Remember the skeptics evolution as a phenomenon is proved: 1. It's not true; 2. It may be true, but not important. 3. It's true and important, but we have always known

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: I know quite what Rossi would have said: Too dangerous. I emptied it just now, so it's safe to hold this up, but water condenses inside the hose, because the steam

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Julian Brown wrote: Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative calorimetric analysis. This is nonsensical speculation. E-Cat is designed to be a standard boiling water reactor and boiling water reactor is exactly similar setup than a kettle. And we know that tea pots do

RE: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Jed: No, he adjusts the power. Same thing then. The key point being Rossi was constantly monitoring and manually adjusting the power according to current conditions. (Seat-of-the-pants adjusting, that is.) 100.1 C steam output could then still be possible without violating the laws of

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Terry Blanton
http://ecatnews.com/?p=489#comment-85 Julian Brown July 17, 2011 - 10:25 pm Can i ask you, for the sake of my family, to remove my submission to your blog. It was sent in good faith, because I really care about the LENR field and don’t want it to suffer yet another set back, but I see I may have

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 03:13 PM 7/17/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Joshua apparently wrote: Well, that's the difference then. But I think you're mistaken. Rossi uses a pump designed to maintain a constant flow, and all his calculations (including Krivit's video of him calculating the power) assume constant flow

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:54 PM 7/17/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: Julian Brown seems to be a clown. At least he is what you guys call a pseudoskeptic. I'll be blunt. You are an idiot, Mr. Rocha. Brown shows no signs of being a pseudoskeptic, he did not knee-jerk reject Rossi's work, and apparently travelled to see

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:30 PM 7/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-07-17 22:16, Daniel Rocha wrote: I did not find any name Julian Brown related to EPO, except for an inventor with this name: Then it's possible that it isn't his real name or that he isn't related with EPO or other patent offices. If the

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Did you read my following messages?

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:04 PM 7/17/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: It seems that this EPO's Julian mentioned that he worked at Oxford during the 80's, to make some kind of smoke screan with Julian Brown from Oxford. They do not have anything to do with each other:

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:24 PM 7/17/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote: So, why does he uses the Oxford address? That doesn't make sense since the EPO's Julian, according to himself, was just in Oxford only during the 80's. Serious Imagination Deficiency. How come? as an argument. People sometimes use academic

Re: [Vo]:New Sergio Focardi interview

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:21 PM 7/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 03:27 AM 7/17/2011, Damon Craig wrote: Uhhh. I give up. How is a kink in a thermal curve evidence of exothermic activity? It's unclear

Re: [Vo]:Krivit could be correct on Rossi

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Also an email from Oxford, included in a paper 18 years after he left the institution.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Cude may be making an obvious error, assuming power figures from one test apply to another. He is. Partly my fault, since I quoted 17 kW without specifying which test I meant. People should look here for the numbers:

Re: [Vo]:The Mats Lewan demo

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:33 PM 7/17/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Both of these pseudoskeptical [yada, yada, yada]. I have no idea what you said there, but I admit, I didn't try very hard to understand it.

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:19 PM 7/17/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Julian Brown wrote: Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative calorimetric analysis. This is nonsensical speculation. E-Cat is designed to be a standard boiling water reactor and boiling water reactor is exactly similar

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 07:20 PM 7/17/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: http://ecatnews.com/?p=489#comment-85 Julian Brown July 17, 2011 - 10:25 pm Can i ask you, for the sake of my family, to remove my submission to your blog. It was sent in good faith, because I really care about the LENR field and don't want it to

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-07-18 02:16, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: That's quite a conclusion to jump to. Julian Brown claimed to be employed by the EPO, but made no claim to be representing them. He's also asked that his blog post be taken down: I didn't investigate myself, and I was only talking about a

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Jed, it's important to read statements from critics like Cude very carefully. No can do. He is in my kill file. I only see snippets when other people quote him. Life is

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: Did you read, Terry, what had been put up on the blog just before his request? I don't wonder that he's worried. No, sorry Abd, are you speaking of the Admin post; or of all the references by Daniel? If the

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/7/18 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com: teapots don't have a fixed water flow input. Rather, water is added when the level declines. This is irrelevant difference. Water flow is there only to ensure that water level does not drop below reactor core, so that core does not expose to

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 08:54 PM 7/17/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax mailto:a...@lomaxdesign.coma...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: However, just right in terms of exact full vaporization is difficult to reach, from an engineering perspective . . . Naa. It is a piece of cake. Just listen to the boiling

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 09:14 PM 7/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: So most of the time he now performs stress tests on his modules in self-sustaining mode, apparently. That's an amazing claim! Just demonstrating one of those running for a reasonable amount of time would have rendered pointless most of the

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.comwrote: Julian Brown wrote: Basically, the whole set up defies even approximate quantitative calorimetric analysis. This is nonsensical speculation. E-Cat is designed to be a standard boiling water reactor and boiling

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: You've apparently missed a lot of the discussion here. There is an issue with wet vs dry steam, and you are probably correct about the steam value, but all bets are off if water actually starts to overflow.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 6:36 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: Cude may be making an obvious error, assuming power figures from one test apply to another. No. I'm objecting to Rothwell making exactly that assumption. I have no problem with Rothwell arguing that the

[Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
Dear people, How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true during a presentation? It is certainly not hard to emulate the e-cat performance at home with 600W, 1KW or maybe a laboratory with a 5KW source to heat water. But for a fake e-cat, it would be required 140KW to 1MW to emulate the big

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 7:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jed, it's important to read statements from critics like Cude very carefully. No can do. He is in my kill file. I only see snippets when other people quote him. Life is too short to read such blather and nonsense.

Re: [Vo]:Uppsala University Denies Rossi Research Agreement

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I do not argue with ghosts. I don't blame you, after the pathetic wet steam is not possible salvo.

Re: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Dear people, How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true during a presentation? That's a good question. Individual ecats have produced nothing but controversy. If the MW reactor is just multiple ecats, and they use

Re: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't know if I wasn't clear or I am just not understanding you. I am not actually questioning if the whether the objections would apply or not but how we could objectively object by looking at videos or reproducing small demos. Even 140KW is a bit too much of steam or even heated water to make

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote: So most of the time he now performs stress tests on his modules in self-sustaining mode, apparently. That's an amazing claim! Just demonstrating one of those running for a reasonable amount of time would have

RE: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Robert Leguillon
I would expect that the 1MW demo will not involve a phase-change in the calorimetry. With Defkalion's statements as to alternate coolants being used into a heat-exchanger, and combination heat-and-power models, the questionable Rossi tests will hopefully be rendered obsolete. This is presuming

Re: [Vo]:European Patent Office observer criticizes Rossi's E-Cat

2011-07-17 Thread Joshua Cude
On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote: At 09:14 PM 7/17/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote: So most of the time he now performs stress tests on his modules in self-sustaining mode, apparently. That's an amazing claim! Just demonstrating one of those running

RE: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Jouni Valkonen
1MW demoplant will produce ca. 414°C steam. It is completely irrelevant if it really works in scientific way or not, because it will be only a demonstration for journalists and politicians. If you want real proof, you can pay and preorder your own E-Cat and if you do not get what was promised, you

RE: [Vo]:How can we make sure that 1MW e-cat is true?

2011-07-17 Thread Mark Iverson
Robert wrote: The statements of Defkalion, including their alleged liquid-phase-only testing, mean that they've either passed Rossi in development, or they are complicit in propogating misinformation. Rossi is not really into the design of final products -- his 'product' is the reactor core