Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 5:50 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Rossi may not be interested in private investors for Leonardo Corp Well, we don't know that. He says it but it doesn't mean he

RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of having been working with the University of Bologna... January 21, 2011, Rossi says, We made an important test with the University of Bologna, with whom we are going to make a 1 year research program also.

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 9:28 PM, John Milstone wrote: For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of having been working with the University of Bologna... June 18, 2011, Rossi says, In these days, together with the University of Bologna and with my Customers, we have made

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Ransom Wuller
Well, maybe the scam doesn't work anything like your speculation. Listen, that interview was a huge waste of my time. This Bryce guy knows far less about any of this then anyone following this on the Vortex. Maryyugo could have done a much better job then Bryce discussing why not to invest or

[Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:34:07, thorium breeder said:  Can rossi achieve do it yourself isotopic separation? That ties in to the missing detailed isotopic analysis that Sven Kullander promised before Christmas. I've been trying to find prices for specific Nickel isotopes, and no one seems to be

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Eff Wivakeef
Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science. Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and not the other way around. Check out the LENR/CANR site, because you lose most of

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 9:57 PM, Ransom Wuller wrote: Well, maybe the scam doesn't work anything like your speculation. Listen, that interview was a huge waste of my time. This Bryce guy knows far less about any of this then anyone following this on the Vortex. Maryyugo could have done a much better job

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 10:11 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: Keef - my advice to you - is to get your act together on your real adversary. It is GOW and not LENR. LENR is essentially correct, as science. Yes, it rests on the vagaries of QM, but it may carry QM to the altar and not the other way around. Check out

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Wolf Fischer
Shaun, Bryce may be well respected but he is doing a very poor job regarding his research on the technology (and LENR in general). Regarding his calculation: This is also no prove of Rossi conducting a scam but just leaves the possibility that there could still be something else going on. And

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Eff Wivakeef
http://rossilivecat.com/all.html  Grab it quick before they take it down. (I've saved it) No PROOF that it is Greg Watson but by the timing and all I am fairly confident. It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a proposal for his investors that they put in the money

Re: [Vo]:Podcast interview about Ian Bryce's e-Cat investigation on behalf of Dick Smith

2012-01-21 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: It should be quite obvious by now, that there are a lot of people being separated from their money without any product testing...purely as investors. Under what pretext? Sales territories?

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on Earth produce 99-95 dry steam, including Krivit's water boiler. You need to go high pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce stable wet steam. So please, at least you should get the basic physics right. —Jouni

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
I suppose my coffee maker could be producing dry steam.  But it's producing very small quantities of it, and that small amount of steam pushes the vast majority of the liquid water up and over the reservoir and into the coffee grounds. Or am I missing something?

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Nigel Dyer
A good example. I think it comes down to whether all of the water that we see at the outlet, in whatever form, would have had to been converted to water vapour at some stage in order to get there, requiring its latent heat of vapourisation. In the case of my, and John's coffee maker, not all

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 11:12 PM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: http://rossilivecat.com/all.html Grab it quick before they take it down. (I've saved it) No PROOF that it is Greg Watson but by the timing and all I am fairly confident. It sure SOUNDS like him, and what he is tryn gto do is put together a proposal for

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
some proposition that you may comment... maybe I'm naive. Whether as some says, heat is stored in thermal mass, the steam generated should be superheated, thus dry ? if steam/water is under high pressure to store or avoid boiling, when it exit it should be superheated, thus dry ? wet steam

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
you take the cost of the plant as your only parameter. but normally the fuel is the key cost in normal cheap factory. here fuel is nearly free 2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com It was meant to show Rossi's 1 MW plant is not a financially viable device to generate electricity,

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 11:25 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Uh Shaun, wet steam is physical impossibility. All water boilers on Earth produce 99-95 dry steam, including Krivit's water boiler. You need to go high pressures and high steam velocities in order to produce stable wet steam. So please, at least you

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 11:01 PM, Wolf Fischer wrote: Shaun, Bryce may be well respected but he is doing a very poor job regarding his research on the technology (and LENR in general). Regarding his calculation: This is also no prove of Rossi conducting a scam but just leaves the possibility that there

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Eff Wivakeef
I'm not full of hate dude. I strongly dislike con-artists and I think they should be locked up (humanely) in a white room with the lights on 24 hours a day and nothing to read no TV etc. Very humane indeed. A much better situation than their victims find themselves in. Many of Madoff's victims

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Eff Wivakeef
What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it  Ahem! Re: The Wacky World of Watson!!! 7-May-09 07:41 pm Keith wrote: As for your overunity bollocks...so what if you have a professor of JUNK SCIENCE that

Re: [Vo]:Podcast interview about Ian Bryce's e-Cat investigation on behalf of Dick Smith

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 21/01/2012 11:19 PM, James Bowery wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: It should be quite obvious by now, that there are a lot of people being separated from their money without any product

RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
I think what Shaun means is the “percolator effect” and not wet steam, per se. It seems these two are being merged together, when there is a distinction. Actually, the percolator effect (mass transfer via gas entrainment) is FAR more misleading than wet steam would be, if you are looking for

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:00 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: you take the cost of the plant as your only parameter. but normally the fuel is the key cost in normal cheap factory. here fuel is nearly free 2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com mailto:shauntaylor...@gmail.com It was meant to show

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:14 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: I'm not full of hate dude. I strongly dislike con-artists and I think they should be locked up (humanely) in a white room with the lights on 24 hours a day and nothing to read no TV etc. Very humane indeed. A much better situation than their victims

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
If you trust Rossi, then you might as well accept the numbers presented by the unknown consultant of the secret company. If you don't trust Rossi, then there is absolutely nothing from the October 28th test to indicate that the MegaWatt E-Cat even got slightly warm (AFAIK), with or without the

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. Man I don't want to be around if you ever lose it Ahem! Keefer, So all this Watson guy did was to argue with you? You never gave him any money or he never refused to

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Bought something for a couple of hundreds of dollars and never got his thing. That's all... 2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: What did this Watson do to you to make you so agro? You seem so full of hate. Man I don't want to be around

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:56 AM, John Milstone wrote: If you trust Rossi, then you might as well accept the numbers presented by the unknown consultant of the secret company. You mean the secret company in the US that Rossi claimed to have visited to install the plant but somehow it slipped his mind

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
He meant that only 62 and 64 transmutes. So, he maximizes their quantity to increase the energy density. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com On Fri, 20 Jan 2012 22:34:07, thorium breeder said: Can rossi achieve do it yourself isotopic separation? That ties in to the missing

RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
That is absurd – John. Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be coming in after all of these details have been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum ? These were not merely “guests” dragged in off the campus - Dozens of PhD level scientists were there. Are they all in

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Jones, I am confused. I thought you considered the 1MW as a fake given your criticisms over the non delivery of the 1MW generator. 2012/1/21 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net That is absurd – John. Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be coming in after all of

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Wolf Fischer
I did a little research on this investor and so on. From what I see: This Bryon New Energy Group has been formed by a man called Sol Millin. This guy once (or still?) advertised a car running on water, using a cosmic water cell... See here: http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/BNE.html

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested it. Prof. Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out, Keefer, You do know this Prof Clauzon guy that you claimed is a JUNK scientist was at Rossi's 6 Oct E-Cat

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Robert Lynn
Rossi is a dodgy character, but that does not mean that it isn't working. There are a lot of others out there with Impeccable professional scientific reputations who are getting high-level outputs from similar Ni-H systems. Eg Brillioun Energy reported 2x gain in February last year at relatively

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is what I think. Just a scamer trying to get to profit from the Rossi story in the same way that AG wanted, but none of them really were really doing business with Rossi. 2012/1/21 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de I did a little research on this investor and so on. From what I see: This

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Keefer was quoting that guy. That is not his message. 2012/1/21 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com On 22/01/2012 12:21 AM, Eff Wivakeef wrote: The only problem here is this guy NEVER actually built one and tested it. Prof. Clauzon and his team did build one, tested it and found out,

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-01-21 11:58, John Milstone wrote: For what it's worth, here are the relevant links I have on Rossi's claims of having been working with the University of Bologna... [...] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c-1EvJK5PQ January 12, 2012 Rossi says, We are organizing a work with two

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 1:13 AM, Jones Beene wrote: That is absurd – John. Do you have any depth of understanding on this test, since you seem to be coming in after all of these details have been hashed and rehashed ad nauseum ? These were not merely “guests” dragged in off the campus - Dozens of PhD

RE: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Daniel, let me be clear on this: We need to make a clear distinction between the scientific anomaly, which is valid, and Rossi's business plan, which seems to have evolved into an economic scam, built on top of a massive thermal anomaly that was never ready for commercialization. From: Daniel

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 1:05 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: Bought something for a couple of hundreds of dollars and never got his thing. That's all... I have never read that Keef has ever claimed to have bought anything from Watson. Something else is at the root of his anger. Something that seems to drive

[Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Dear group: Take a look at the background 0:12, behind the e-cat, you will see the container at the same place. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pcfeature=related -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
At 2:03 min, you will see the camera going up to down, you will see the sun at almost the same position in the window as in the same as in the rest of the video, including the shot at 0:12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odkfAjqA4pcfeature=related 2012/1/21 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com

RE: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Good point Robert, and let me leave this for Milstone. You might fool some of these guys on occasion, but not all of them for many hours as to the main contention - that there is/was a bona fide thermal anomaly (when the P-in became negligible). They were invited for a number of reasons

Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Also, the shape of the windows made by the sun's light behind the walking is coincident with the position of the window. See 0:44. And those are the same thing beside Rossi during the interview. Also notice that the illumination is about the same. 2012/1/21 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com At

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
I understood that.  So then, to make his numbers work, he must bump up those specific isotopes (3.6% and 0.9%) so that they make up around 35% (to explain the 30% Copper and/or Iron he claims to be in the ash, with the natural ratios of Nickel remaining). IIRC, Rossi claims a total of 100g per

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Shaun Taylor
On 22/01/2012 1:17 AM, Wolf Fischer wrote: I did a little research on this investor and so on. From what I see: This Bryon New Energy Group has been formed by a man called Sol Millin. This guy once (or still?) advertised a car running on water, using a cosmic water cell... See here:

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Have any of these people reported any signs of the E-Cat actually working during the October 28th test?  Or did they simply accept the write-up produced by Rossi and the unknown consultant for the secret company. I find it interesting that with all the intense interest in this story, it

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Ransom Wuller
Exactly, you have no proof. What you have is the same thing Rossi has, Rossi says, Smith says, Shaun says I didn't hear half of the nonsense you are posting in that interview with Bryce, who by the way seems as clueless to me as a lot of the Rossi followers just on the other side of the nut

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Just because GM is selling a real electric car doesn't mean that Tilley was legitimate. (http://www.greaterthings.com/News/Tilley/) Just because there are real companies selling real solar power systems doesn't mean that Greg Watson (apparently AKA Aussie Guy E-Cat) and his Sun Cube was legit.

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
In the specific case of Rossi, he wants to exclude nickel below 62, but purity is not a necessity, but an optimazation. So, if he roughly excludes most of what is bellow 62, that is good enough. Given that most of Ni is 58 and 60, he can determine a threshold of, say, Z=62, more or less, and

Re: [Vo]:Keef Versus Greg Watson

2012-01-21 Thread Rich Murray
Very informative warning, Mary Yugo -- thanks, again -- Rich Murray, pragmatic skeptic, always learning...

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Just Levi and the AP reporter, which were the only ones that were present in the day but not together with Danielle Passerini, outside the warehouse. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Have any of these people reported any signs of the E-Cat actually working during the October

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:58 AM, John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com wrote: (P.S. I hope I have the return address issue sorted out!) Yeppers! T

Re: [Vo]:The 1MW container is not from old footage.

2012-01-21 Thread Andre Blum
Good catch! On 01/21/2012 11:06 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote: At 2:03 min, you will see the camera going up to down, you will see the sun at almost the same position in the window as in the same as in the rest of the video, including the shot at 0:12

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
I wasn't aware that either one actually reported any first-hand observations (but maybe I missed it). In particular, I thought that the AP reporter didn't report anything, which caused considerable consternation among those who hoped that this test, and reporting by the AP would finally

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
But he was there inside, you didn't see him or Levi with the people that were outside or briefly visited the facilities. But this is not the only strange thing. The results from the Swedish professors should be out 1 month ago, but nothing happened. 2012/1/21 John Milstone

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
OK, does anyone have a ballpark figure for isotopically enriched Boron?   I agree that it seems reasonable that the difficulty of separating the isotopes of Boron and Nickel would be comparable (but I don't know).  The only problem using Boron as an analogy is that the raw material is almost

RE: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Milstone * Even if legitimate researchers are seeing interesting results, that doesn't necessarily mean that Rossi is legit. No, but the blind skepticism and often silly remarks of Milstone, Yugo and Cude do not mean anything at all. They have demonstrated no

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
The price of the enrichment will be much more expansive than the raw material. But to what extent, I don't know. But, the quantity that has to be separated of Ni is smaller than the one of boron given that they have a natural proportion of 5/1 of B10 to B11 against 20/1 of Ni 62+64, although in

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Rossi may have been premature and sloppy in testing, but Ni-H is “the next big thing” in the World Economy. Rossi has demonstrated that the Thermacore results of the early nineties, validated by NASA in 1996, were the biggest missed opportunity in all

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread thorium breeder
I would like to thank everyone for the response and ask a few more questions if I may. Don`t even tankless water heaters explode everyday in America? Has any one seen a water heater explode? Does the rossi water heater contain toxic nickel nano particles? Can we put his fraud behind us and

[Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64 costs about $3 per gram from a medical supplier. We checked the ones near Rossi's former lab in NH and no one remembers him or the name Leonardo (LTI, or EON). The reason for checking was to see if Rossi started out this way first before finding a less

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
You are giving the number for a high purity isotope, like 99.99%. In other thread, I was talking about an extremely dirty mixture of Ni62+Ni64 and a bunch of other isotopes, no problem if it is 50% of other stuff. 2012/1/21 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net As mentioned in prior posting - Ni-64

RE: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell * Yes but . . . It wasn't exactly missed. As I pointed out, Srinivasan and other devoted a lot of effort to this system. It isn't their fault they failed. They did not overlook it in any sense; they were unable to replicate. Yes but as I pointed out thereafter - they

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
thorium breeder thorium.bree...@gmail.com wrote: Don`t even tankless water heaters explode everyday in America? Tankless heater are rare, but anyway, see: http://www.nationalboard.org/SiteDocuments/E-Publications/nb_235.pdf Since 1990, there have been more than 30,000 boiler and pressure

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
*Does the rossi water heater contain toxic nickel nano particles?* ** I don’t think so. The nickel is granulated in the micro size range. The negative biological activity of nickel particles in this size range may not be harmful. *Can we put his fraud behind us and focus on nuclear contamination

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Yes but as I pointed out thereafter - they did not fail and their report says they did not fail, got significant overunity and wanted to continue - Naturally they wanted to continue, especially in view of their success with Arata and Case, and with

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Thanks for reposting that information. So, if the fuel or ash from an E-Cat contained excess 64-Ni, that would be compelling evidence that he really does have a new and revolutionary means of enriching Nickel isotopes, since it seems unlikely that he would have the resources to spike his

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Do either of these methods of transmutation work with the various isotopes of Nickel? Are either of them able to produce the kilogram quantities, for pennies a gram, that Rossi would require? From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
The trouble is, if only 64Ni is converted into Copper (and/or Iron?), and the ash is 30% Copper, then wouldn't there have to be 30% 64Ni in the fuel?   Otherwise, where is the Copper coming from? And if Rossi can convert less than 1% 64Ni into at least 30%, and 64Ni is going for $30,000/g, I

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
You mean Cu 65 and Cu63. That's the ash. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Thanks for reposting that information. So, if the fuel or ash from an E-Cat contained excess 64-Ni, that would be compelling evidence that he really does have a new and revolutionary means of

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
The Rossi technology contained some very interesting and potentially useful trade secrets that may be well employed in the Lftr. One of them is the very low cost enrichment of nickel favoring Ni62 an Ni64. Previously, I have posted how tubercles can be produced using chemical processes. As a

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
No, that's not how it is. Those isotopes are too pure, that's why they are expensive. In this case, they need much less processing, just enough to reduce the quantity of other isotopes than Ni62 and 64. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com The trouble is, if only 64Ni is converted

[Vo]:National Instruments Internal Community on LENR

2012-01-21 Thread Alain Sepeda
found in http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/01/community-group-created-at-national-instruments-to-study-lenr/ National Instruments Community site: https://decibel.ni.com/content/groups/lenr Community https://decibel.ni.com/content/index.jspa?view=overview

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Right.  The Copper (of any isotope) is supposedly transmuted from one either 62Ni or 64Ni.  Natural Nickel is about 3.6% 62Ni and about 0.9% 64Ni.  So, the active ingredients in the fuel make up less than 5% of the total. However, the ash contains (according to Rossi) up to 30% Copper.  Where

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Yes, we need to know four things from Sweden: the ratio of Ni isotopes in both the fuel and ash, and the ratio of copper isotopes in both the fuel and ash. That will tell volumes, when compared to natural ratios. If the copper in the ash is natural isotopic ratio - as I suspect, then that

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why to 0.04$? To 100$ would be a great thing too. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Right. The Copper (of any isotope) is supposedly transmuted from one either 62Ni or 64Ni. Natural Nickel is about 3.6% 62Ni and about 0.9% 64Ni. So, the active ingredients in the fuel make

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Milstone * Reducing the cost of a gram of 64Ni from $30,000 to $0.04 is quite an achievement! As Daniel implies, that is not the correct comparison. It could easily be the case that Rossi has found that nickel with ~10% 64Ni and ~15% 62Ni works well, and that this

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
*Do either of these methods of transmutation work with the various isotopes of Nickel?* Yes… *Are either of them able to produce the kilogram quantities, for pennies a gram, that Rossi would require?* I think that Rossi coats micro particles of nickel he buys COTS. During the tubule resurfacing

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I think this is the crucial step, really, if Rossi claims are somehow to be believed. Taking your figures to Celani's experiment, he would get peaks of hundreds of watts and piantelli in the same range of Rossi, that is, around thousands of watts. 2012/1/21 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:University testing of the E-cat question asked on Rossi blog

2012-01-21 Thread Yamali Yamali
Jones Beene wrote: A good magic show can fool a few journalists and grad students and yes, Levi does not inspire confidence - but take a closer look at the guests. That misses one (the) major point about magic shows. When you go to Las Vegas or Moscow to see a magician make a white tiger

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Peter Gluck
There is only one cheap method to separate or enrich significantly the Ni isotopes: by persuasion, convincing them to separate. Rossi is sometimes, rarely telling things that are not true. But are interesting, beyond any doubt. On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net

Re: [Vo]:Ian Bryce and Rossi

2012-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com wrote: Been a Vortex web lurker too long. Finally something that blows up Rossi, his lunatic supporters and exposes how this scam works. . . . I suggest you go back to lurking. Your message is nothing but speculation and blather. You know nothing about

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I don't really see the reason why not enriching Ni62 - Ni64 to 20% would be very expensive.That's a purity level 500-5000 lower than those that leave only one isotope pure. 2012/1/21 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com There is only one cheap method to separate or enrich significantly the Ni

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
True, but the $0.04/gram is, roughly, what you get when you work from Rossi's statements (i.e.  100g and $10 per load, 10% cost is enhancement of the catalyst, we need 30% of the rare isotopes in order to have enough material to make an ash with 30% Copper). The point is that it's too low a

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Mary Yugo
Another issue with Rossi's claim of isotope enrichment is how he accomplishes it. He's never commented on that though he was asked. Where is his plant for the enrichment? What technology does he use? Can he afford a farm of gas centrifuges? A high intensity laser setup? Who runs it?

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:32 PM, thorium breeder thorium.bree...@gmail.com wrote: Has any one seen a water heater explode? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rXwcDkobUY T

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Do you know of any way to enrich Nickel, or any other metal, for a few pennies per gram?  Either there is some known way to do this, or Rossi has made a major breakthrough (with really, really dangerous WMD overtones), or Rossi is lying. I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
The most interesting set of facts that can come out of the Swedish analysis (if we the public do get to see the report) is IF the fuel is enriched in 64Ni but the copper in the ash is natural ratio. That will essentially mean that some kind of non-transmutation reaction is occurring but with

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
What Rossi does cannot be done with heavier radioactive elements. Their weight difference is too small. Nickel is one of the elements with the highest range of stable isotopes. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Do you know of any way to enrich Nickel, or any other metal, for a

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
You don't need to do a great effort to enrich to a few percent an element with an isotope variation of 10% of mass from the less stable to the most stable isotope. This is not like uranium enrichment. 2012/1/21 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com Another issue with Rossi's claim of isotope enrichment

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
Please tell me what Rossi does!  Or do we all agree that there is no commonly known method to do what Rossi says he's doing? Nickel has a large number of stable isotopes, but they can't be used interchangeably to transmute into the stable isotopes (and *only* the stable isotopes) of Copper,

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Axil Axil
I think that Rossi coats micro particles of nickel he buys commercial off the shelf. During the secret particle resurfacing process of these micro particles, he uses nickel enriched in heavy isotopes in a very thin nano-sized low quantity surface cover. Even through the ratio of heavy nickel

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
I guess the problem of transmutation is another issue, not restricted to Rossi. 2012/1/21 John Milstone john_sw_orla...@yahoo.com Please tell me what Rossi does! Or do we all agree that there is no commonly known method to do what Rossi says he's doing? Nickel has a large number of stable

RE: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
From: John Milstone * I have yet to hear of any enrichment method that is within several orders of magnitude of what Rossi *must* have, if he's really selling 100g of fuel for $10. Then why even attempt to believe it? Yes that one is absolutely false beyond any reasonable doubt - and

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread Daniel Rocha
It could be. He coats that expensive nickel around a thin shell around. A nanometer coating would be very cheap. This is like using very cheap medication, like some tranquilizers, which just targets a few cells and are rated in micrograms. But in grams, they are rated in thousand$... 2012/1/21

Re: [Vo]:I`ll just leave this here

2012-01-21 Thread thorium breeder
I speculate that the cross section of proton tunneling into nickel is increased with the proportion of heavy neutron rich nickel isotopes. It’s a probability thing. Reaction performance is increased in the neutron rich heavy nickel isotopes, but the reaction still occurs in light nickel

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread John Milstone
So, you're saying that Jed Rothwell is wrong when he has stated repeatedly that he has never caught Rossi lying about his work?  That's really the basis of everything Rothwell is claiming:  Although Rossi lies about all sorts of other things, we can trust what he says about his science. In

Re: [Vo]:Ni-64 enrichment

2012-01-21 Thread Nigel Dyer
I continue to be reminded of a (Isaac Asimov?) science fiction story I read as a child where a group of scientists are shown a film of what they are told is an anti gravity machine, which takes off, flies a bit then blows up. They are told that the inventer, the only person who knew how it

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