This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's many posts.
And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter in his 600C eCat
thread.
Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks (Storms), or
Patches (WL) or any other structures (Hagelstein), you
Hey Gang,
A while back, I was harping on the use of sparks for LENR reactors. I remember
quite a vigorous exchange of ideas as to why sparks may be or may not be a
critical component. There was discussion as to whether RF or sparks was the
important thing. I was speculating that the temp.
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy
release
mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei
(from a
clean fission reaction). These don't usually produce much in the way of
I wrote:
What are ways, known or hypothesized, to preferentially get fast particles?
Sorry about this question -- this is sort of the big one, I suppose.
There's catalysis of helium by way of fractional hydrogen, for example.
You may have even already answered this question.
Eric
At the WM ILENRS-12 symposium, I was told that what is used by DGT and is
shown in their pictures were not spark plugs, but actually were glow plugs.
I was also told that DGT was having reliability problems with these
devices.
If true, how does this change the thinking about what DGT is using to
Doesn't look like glow plugs:
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8rh=n%3A15729261page=1
attachment: DGT_Spark.jpg
Who told you this? Somebody from DGT itself? Or someone else from the outside?
Is this one of those hearsay again? And this person who told you this
actually saw those devices or is he just speculating like the rest of us? Name
Please? or does he prefer to be anonymous? LOL ...
Those
When I was a kid I asked my father about termites. He said they were not much
of a problem around Johnstown as the climate was to cold. A few days of well
below zero weather seemed to freeze them out. He said, Just down the hill and
a little south in Antoona they were a problem.
They have
no spark gap on the photo, seems right.
whether a glow or spark plug is a very important detail
if a spark plug is needed, there is a needed quantity of energy that have
to be electric, and this limit the COP.
if only heat is used, that mean that the reactor itself, or another
reactor, can
There is no significant difference in climate between Johnstown and Altoona.
http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/PA/PA364385.php
http://www.climate-charts.com/USA-Stations/PA/PA360130.php
And Altoona is a little bit cooler, a little bit farther north, and a
little higher in elevation,
This article below is about information storage - not energy, but it is
relevant in mentioning the subfield of “superparamagnetism”… which is part
of an evolving hypothesis for non-nuclear gain. It can be combined with DCE
(the dynamical Casimir effect) to account for net thermal gain in Ni-H
Let's put this misdirection attempt to rest once and for all.
A glow plug requires low voltage to heat. (Usually between a few volts to 6
volts.) A glow plug does not require a tall ceramic insulatior. A glow plug
has a long elongated cylinderical tube that contains the heating element
thank You,
may I call You 'friends'?
There are tough times ahead, and I feel responsible.
Building our future on a possible chimera would be one of the worst things we
could do.
Boneheaded realists, phantasts, artists ... all have their role to play..
Whether we are a self-correcting lot -as
I did not even know what a glow plug is, I must admit. It is used to start
a diesel engine. I think Terry is right and the photo shows a spark plug.
People who were there told me it is a spark plug. They also said Defkalion
is having trouble because the spark plugs often fail.
- Jed
You mention that the plugs often fail. Could this be due to clogging of the
spark gap by particles of nickel metal that get melted by the intense heat of
the spark? I assume that an engineering solution to this problem will come
soon once identified.
If I recall DGT has suggested that
The activation of electrons or protons by a laser or similar method begs a
question. When these particles are working as a group are their motions
synchronized in space? What I refer to in this question is the orientation of
the movements that are organized by the outside source. For
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
At the WM ILENRS-12 symposium, I was told that what is used by DGT and is
shown in their pictures were not spark plugs, but actually were glow plugs.
I was also told that DGT was having reliability problems with these
There was no attempt at misdirection on my part - I was simply recounting
what I was told at WM. However, I don't believe that the person who told
me had direct first-hand knowledge, and while he may have been mistaken, I
don't think he was intentionally trying to mislead me.
At first, I didn't
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
I wonder what motivation people have in spreading this misdirection?
Unbelievable how people can lie to your face nowadays and keep it cool.
Unbelievable.
Jojo, we don't need a conspiracy to explain this line of
Got mass? Princeton scientists observe electrons become both heavy and speedy
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S33/94/41S36/
It is remarkable to watch electrons moving in a crystal evolve into
more massive particles as we cool them down, said Ali Yazdani, a
professor of physics at
If and only if that thing we saw in DGT pictures is a glow plug. It is clearly
a spark plug and people still attempt to lie about it.
Yes, glow discharge is a legitimate line of research; but that is NOT what we
are seeing with DGT reactors. It is clearly a spark plug.
- Original
BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug.
In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am presuming
you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor?
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: Eric Walker
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
BTW, if glow discharge is your goal, you wouldn't use a glow plug.
In glow plugs, the heating element is encapsulated in a sheath. I am
presuming you wouldn't want that in a glow discharge reactor?
You're seeing pure
Understood.
I got intimately familiar with glow plugs when I tried to use those for my
Waste Vegetable Oil conversion for my GM Duramax van. One thing I found out,
they don't last very long when used for continuous application of heat. Hence,
my initial reaction with Bob's comments of a glow
Interesting!
We always thought of cold as the absence of heat, darkness as the absence of
light, evil as the absence of good, weightlessness as the absence of
gravity.
Now, you are saying there is something that actually cancels heat instead of
just removing it - an anti-heat? Can we
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
You mention that the plugs often fail. Could this be due to clogging of
the spark gap by particles of nickel metal that get melted by the intense
heat of the spark?
That is my guess, but I have not heard that from anyone.
- Jed
If misdirection i don't think it is on that side.
clearly it is a glow plug, typical for diesel engine, and it is logical
since they activate the reactor with heat like Celani did in his
experiments with Ni+ZrO .
The photo is clear, and it is not melted powder effect, since the surface
is round
Jojo and Axil,
First, it does appear that superconductivity (not ballistic conduction) is
involved. The new paper involves nickel nanoparticles in MWCNTs. Here is
title and abstract:
Novel Magnetic and Electrical Properties of Carbon Nanotubes: Consistent
with Ultrahigh Temperature
Didn't Celani find out the superconductivity correlated with anomalous heat?
Superconductivity would seem to jive well with Axil's charge accumulation
theory. Metallic SWNTs exhibit long coherence lengths. MWNTs exhibit
ballistic conduction. Graphene exhibiting superconductive tendencies at
And only if you want to waste your money. Like I said, they don't last very
long when used continously as would be the case if DGT were using these to heat
their reactors.
A heating cartridge would make more sense for heating.
I tried using glow plugs in my first generation reactors with
I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons
thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and not
the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going down the
highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event increases,
It could be something as simple as a cultural thing…
Do not the Brits use the term glow-plug instead of spark-plug?
I do remember a conversation, although many many years ago, wherein a spark
plug was referred to as a glow plug…
-Mark
From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com]
This fits in with Frank Grimer's notion of comperature as the important
physical variable - in which pressure and temperature should be linked as a
single continuum, and cannot be considered as useful independent variables.
So-called condensed matter is always under substantial (beta aether)
At 12:59 AM 7/15/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
This was the conclusion I arrived at as well, after reading Lou's
many posts. And this was the thought I tried to convey to Guenter
in his 600C eCat thread.
Basically, if your NAE is a transition metal lattice; i.e. Cracks
(Storms), or Patches (WL) or
After surfing the different glow plugs on the web, I believe that Jojo is
correct, that what is shown in the pictures offered by DGT are probably
spark plugs.
However, might there be misdirection in DGT's pictures? Would a glow plug
screw in place of the spark plug in their reactor? DGT could
I supposed DGT can replace spark plug for glow plugs to misdirect, but that
would still not explain the temp spike.
Sparks are the only mechanism that can bring H2 temps that high and then
quickly back down again. Glow plugs will not result in a temp spike.
When you look at the end plates of
I wrote:
I was wondering about this myself. Is the movement of protons or deuterons
thermal (random) or more organized? (I am imagining a cavity, here, and
not the confines of the lattice.) If it's more like packed traffic going
down the highway way too quickly, the likelihood of an event
This is a
topic I repeatedly had my quibbles with Jed already.
I find the analogy -- May-Rossi -- appropriate
and interesting, he not.
Now this is not something to be decided in a duel, but the community at large
should and has to.
As a boy, aged 11-13, I read read about 50 of May's 60 or so
Abd, I apprciate your comments.
It seems to me that the smaller the better and SWNTs would be better than
MWNTs which would in turn be better than graphene, and Metallic SWNTs would
be better than semiconducting SWNTs as they exhibit long coherence lengths.
I subscirbe to Axil's charge
Anyone who has spent time working on internal combustion engines (ICE) knows
that when an ICE runs rich (too much fuel) it will eventually foul the
sparkplugs with a dry powdery soot, which has a high carbon content. The
sparkplug insulator turns black from these deposits and becomes conductive,
An approach would be to make a pile of carbon material that includes a wide
range of sizes, and add deuterium, say. Does anything unusual happen? Any
heating, any helium? Even if heating is not measurable, if it sits there
long enough, enough helium might accumulate to be measurable, compared to
I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012,
and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of
the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it
has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar
plug from Ford
I had a look at the multi-page Defkalion press release May of 2012,
and on page 18 of the 35 page document there is a picture of one of
the spark plugs laying on a table. It is somewhat unusual in that it
has a very long threaded body. I did some looking and found a similar
plug from Ford
Sorry for the double post and a correction, I said the part was Ford
Motorcraft Number SP-509, but it should be Ford Motorcraft Number SP-507.
Robert Dorr
what photography are you looking ?
[image: Images intégrées 1]
this one clearly is imcompatible with a spark plug. see the round end.
for the glowplug, the standard diesel one are made to heat quickly to high
temperature (few seconds).
DGT tell that their control method was to quickly heat the
Abd wrote:
I don't know if Guenter Wildgruber is *his* real name, but Mark_-ZeroPoint
most certainly is not a real name. But I'll happily apologize if it is. [
you left the 'I' off 'Mark' ]
If you've been on this forum for any significant length of time, its pretty
obvious that I'm the same as
Steven wrote:
Incidentally, I've occasionally misinterpreted the posting actions of
others, so it's not as if I have now decided to torment Abd. If I did, I
suspect Abd would simply turn around and bury me in a protracted essay
detailing my faults at considerable length.
Shame on you,
FYI:
With the placement of a sheet of graphene just one-carbon-atom-thick, the
researchers transformed the originally passive device into an active one
that generated microwave photonic signals and performed parametric
wavelength conversion at telecommunication wavelengths.
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Sat, 14 Jul 2012 23:43:52 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
This is the sort of thing that makes me think that the primary energy
release
mode is via fast particles, e.g. protons, alphas, or even heavier nuclei
My thoughts are that if the affected protons march in unison and in one
direction vector then a changing magnetic field might be able to vary that
direction. I think of these coupled protons as being like bulldozers plowing
through the electron clouds of the nickel atoms in the direction of
Yes, the hydrogen press visualization is what I am considering as well. At the
moment I am hoping that the coupling of the other nearby protons is the main
source of the pressure and also determines the line of motion. Your idea of
energy being delivered to the protons within this
This is a Bosch iridium/platinum spark plug similar to the ones used in my
Scion:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31siZsBbVoL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
They are good for about 100,000 miles. They are required replacements in
order to meet the California emissions standards. The deep threads are
My favorite piccy of Marx and Lennon:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Hcybitpaowynaaa.jpg
T (ha! I changed the reply to address)
Luv it Terry!
-mi
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 3:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Karl May vs Rossi
My favorite piccy of Marx and Lennon:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/ba/Hcybitpaowynaaa.jpg
This is really unhelpful but I offer it anyway: In my youth I came
across spark plugs being used as cheap, rugged, hermetic, high voltage
power leads into a vacuum chamber - or was it a pressure vessel -
whatever... The spark end was bent straight, welded to a wire.
Ol' Bab
On 7/15/2012
Read thru this preprint and although much of it is beyond my understanding,
there are 2 things that came to mind.
1. the constant use of the terms cavity, and downconverting, and
beat-frequency (in the Mhz range mind you!) implies behavior akin to
RF/microwave engineering:
Thus, perhaps
I believe you are mistaken. The round white end is the insulating ceramic. If
you look closely, you can barely see the protruding electrode. The ground
electrode can not be clearly seen. Either it can not be seen in this picture
due to its angle or it has been cut off.
Cutting off the
I am reconsidering old ontologies, discarded in the middle 19th
century, as a jumping off point.
This paper published in 1984 describes a little known experiment in radiant
cooling done in the late 18th century by Pictet and repeated a few years later
by Count Rumford.
On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:
**
I believe you are mistaken. The round white end is the insulating
ceramic. If you look closely, you can barely see the protruding
electrode. The ground electrode can not be clearly seen. Either it can
not be seen in
This line of thought reminds me of the hole-electron way of looking at
semiconductors. My mind is stuck on the electron side of the fence.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:52 pm
Subject: Re:
Dear Guenther,
I have no idea why you have ignored what I wrote pro Karl May.
By the way, forced analogies are a straight way to erronated
thinking and this one is very much so. Karl May has created stories and not
bad ones, Rossi has created an energy source- and is not very skiled in
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