Yes. 4 plugs in row. Sequence. Into magnetic field from coil after. use one to
inject RFG power. 3 spark.
Pat now applied for.
Chung
--- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote:
From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Chung,
Are you referring to:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64616.html
where propane bled through T, then Cu tube wrapped with coil winding
where DC fed in creates magnetic field core?
Warm Regards,
Reliable
Original Message
Subject:Re:
Reliable,
Yes. Fe pipe, 4 T's, then Cu pipe with both magnet DC coil winding for core
field and Ni Cr coil winding for heat - Variac control.
--- On Sun, 8/5/12, integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
integral.property.serv...@gmail.com wrote:
From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com
Chung,
You just won my $500 offer. Where can I mail Money Order?
Congratulations and Warm Regards,
Reliable
Te Chung wrote:
Reliable,
Yes. Fe pipe, 4 T's, then Cu pipe with both magnet DC coil winding for
core field and Ni Cr coil winding for heat - Variac control.
--- On *Sun, 8/5/12,
Oh good grief. This is a forum for the discussion of science, not the
fantastical belief systems of illiterate, misogynistic, homophobic,
xenophobic, genocidal and religiously intolerant subsistence farmers whose
ill-founded opinions on matters scientific, moral and ethical are almost
entirely
Interesting.
Very british.
Nature, red in tooth and claw (Tennyson)
Guenter
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 23:13 Samstag, 4.August 2012
Betreff: [Vo]:Ed Storms comments on Martin Fleischmann
A message from Ed --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EgT3G6lKno
Interesting video. Actually, nothing was demonstrated. We only see the
prototype being assembled as the inventor rambles on about the design
theory behind the device. I did enjoy listening to him. He comes across as a
very personable individual...
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
Krivit makes you more than stop and think. A decent person would not use
the death of another to further themselves. Krivit is not a decent person.
Martin Fleishmann deserves better.
Oh, heck, it's nothing.
Krivit has done some things in the past
Greetings Vortex-L,
I can no longer remember the source of the information, but I really
believe that the approximate
transcript between Fleischmann and Teller really took place in the very
early days of Cold Fusion.
The Phone call was initiated by Dr Teller. Fleischmann was in a hotel
room
The way Martin told me the story, his plane was delayed for no apparent
reason so he had to stay over in S.F. Soon after he got to his hotel room,
the phone rang . . .
Martin suspected that Teller had the plane delayed.
I do not recall that Teller asked him if it could be a bomb. He did ask a
I do not know if Teller asked a lot of questions on that occasion. I meant
that he was well-informed about the subject.
- Jed
I wanted to replay my posting in an effort to get some intelligent responses
from the vortex. Unfortunately, that posting was the last one before we found
out the bad news about Dr. Fleischmann and it rightfully was overlooked. I had
hoped that my arguments would start a discussion about
Fascinating technology! My first thoughts mirror Feynman's -- impossible --
how could this possibly work?
Since it generates no heat, the pressure must come from something else.
Upon reflection, using the ideal gas law pv=nRT,
the way to get pressure without heat would be to increase n, the
Not considering the dangerous lunacy of Teller, it seems that not only he
was not well informed, but he had connection with spy services.
2012/8/5 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I do not know if Teller asked a lot of questions on that occasion. I meant
that he was well-informed about the
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems apparent that the final global consideration is that extra heat is
released into the atmosphere, land, and water of the earth as a result of us
burning fossil fuels.
No one responded because your basic premise
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 3:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
It seems apparent that the final global consideration is that extra heat is
released into the atmosphere, land, and water of the earth as a result
Nature knows nothing of work. Nature has tendencies and proclivities.
Man gets nature to work for him.
The questions are
1) what are the tendencies and proclivities
2) how do you harness them to perform work?
There are no mechanisms in nature, except for the harness (and
possibly the whip).
Thanks for the comment Jed. I was afraid that my attempt at defining the
problem was difficult to follow and you have confirmed that worry.
What should we consider as global warming if it is not the actual heating of
the globe? If excess heat is not ultimately the result of the release of
From Hoyt:
...
Maybe each gas atom splits into multiple particles ( or virtual
particles; non local particles? ).
Each new particle must have the same average kinetic energy as
the original.
What are your thoughts?
Heh! My thoughts revolve around the fact of how little I
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/
Many have argued that the discrediting of Fleischmann and Pons was
driven and used by others in the science world to further their own
careers and to promote “big science” experiments with “hot fusion.”
Who
If they're going to use plastic pistons, I doubt it gets hot at all, in fact
it's hard to imagine a plastic surviving inside a plasma at all unless it's
coated with a ceramic top.
Since the gas law assumes particles are billiard balls, another possibility
is an atom becomes severly non-spherical
On 8/5/2012 11:21 AM, David Roberson wrote:
It seems apparent that the final global consideration is that extra heat
is released into the atmosphere, land, and water of the earth as a
result of us burning fossil fuels.
In other terms, one kilogram of coal results in the net earth heating of
Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time.
[Mark Gibbs]
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/
Many have argued that the discrediting of Fleischmann and Pons was
driven and used by others in
I agree with Mark on this one and credit him with a more balanced summary
of the state of things this go around
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/
Many have argued that the discrediting of
Le Aug 5, 2012 à 12:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com a écrit :
Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time.
[Mark Gibbs]
Hi Mark,
Good to see you on this list. Your articles have been the subject of several
extended threads and of no small amount of controversy. But I think people
I agree, that sooner or later global warming from waste heat will
become an issue...unless we can cancel the waste heat with waste cold
which is considered impossible according to the laws of
thermodynamics. Now, if the laws of thermodynamics are absolutely true
(or if we simply believe they are
a 1°C increase in the earth's temperature increases the energy radiated
away by about 1.5%. Using your 6000:1 figure for current human energy
releases we could increase our energy consumption by about 100 times (ie
1/60th of suns input energy) and only increase the Earths temperature by
1°C on
Le Aug 5, 2012 à 12:49 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com a écrit :
I agree, that sooner or later global warming from waste heat will
become an issue...unless we can cancel the waste heat with waste cold
which is considered impossible according to the laws of
thermodynamics.
My sense is
Thanks for the welcome. Comments inline ...
[mg]
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Eric Walker wrote:
Le Aug 5, 2012 à 12:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com javascript:; a
écrit :
Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time.
[Mark Gibbs]
Hi Mark,
Good to see you on this list. Your
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, that sooner or later global warming from waste heat will
become an issue...unless we can cancel the waste heat with waste cold
which is considered impossible according to the laws of
thermodynamics.
Nope. That would make refrigerators
Good response Terry. I can see that this is going to be a grand learning
opportunity for me and also I think some of my friends on vortex will modify
the way they think of this particular issue. The articles you point out quite
nicely show that the green house warming process is due to the
I agree that it is important that we be careful in our actions toward global
warming and other problems that keep arising as a result of our population
growth and technology.
One way that we can us LENR to our advantage against global warming it to put
it to work removing some of the heat
Plan B looks like a good one Jed. It might be difficult to construct, but if
we could engineer into it the ability to adjust the amount of light we allow to
pass, then it might last for generations.
I recall seeing someone mention a technique to increase cloud seeding in
regions as
You have made an interesting WAG Bab. I intend to give it a lot of
consideration as I try to understand your derivation better. I had hoped that
the Sun was far ahead of mankind in this regard, but maybe that was wishful
thinking. Perhaps I can still find one of those tickets to Mars before
Robert, you are in charge of the computer model that determines how to modify
the ocean currents in our favor. Can you imagine the controversy that will
arise if some group decides that this must be done to save the Earth? But of
course computers are becoming immensely more powerful as time
This is something hard to swallow for most CF researches because it would
generate radioactive leftovers, mostly. All attempts that I takes more
seriously are the ones that deal only with D/H fusion as due some sort of
recoil effect from the lattice, concentrated in a few, like 2 up to 4, of
the
Since the energy radiated from a black body (StefanBoltzmann law) is
proportional to T^4, all one need do is heat pump the energy into an area on
the ground such that it is white hot. The IR will radiate into space.
I don't think that'll ever be necessary, though.
Hoyt Stearns
-Original
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
Re-read that sentence ... carefully, this time.
Ah, the antecedent was others. Man, that was quick. You must come
here a lot.
T
Le Aug 5, 2012 à 2:38 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com a écrit :
I have noticed that nothing is generally discussed about the most important
green house gas, water vapor. It is also known that the tops of clouds can
reflect a lot of light back into space. Perhaps some serious study
DaveR wrote:
“I have noticed that nothing is generally discussed about the most important
green house gas, water vapor. It is also known that the tops of clouds can
reflect a lot of light back into space. Perhaps some serious study needs to be
directed toward using cloud modification to
Two important numbers to keep in mind:
The solar energy falling on earth is about a thousan times the energy
contemplated to fulfill all the electrical generation of the planet if
fully economically developed (to US standards of consumption). If you
electrified all transportation at rail
I was a little too fast on the Send button…
Yes, water vapor is indeed a very important variable since,
CLOUDS reflect… not water vapor.
Water vapor *below* cloud-condensation-level (CCL) is visually *invisible*, so
it is reasonable to assume that it would be absorbing more of the sun’s
At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.comdanieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
I just noticed that Krivit used his death to promote WL theory...
He also put himself front and center in someone
else's obituary, which is bad form.
I'm going to disagree. If
From: Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com
Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 1:25:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Obituary: Fleischmann, 85
Thanks for the Obit ... at present the ONLY main-stream media mention.
Also picked up by the Chicago Tribune.
I wrote:
Marianne and Mike saw him this spring.
Correction: this winter.
- Jed
Mark, I have always considered humid air as being more dense than dry air due
to the weight of the water. I assumed that as a small volume of moist air rose
inside dry air that the heat released by the water within would tend to make
the column rise. Normally air being subject to expansion
The most recent Gibbs article is here:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2012/08/04/the-state-of-the-cold-fusion-market/
I find this annoying. He writes:
So, is cold fusion real? Well, from the thousands of experiments performed
over the last few decades it seems that there are various
Jed,
He did say ...there are various reactions that output more energy than is
put in... which is good enough for me.
What i think is more curious is that everyone, including you want to call
it cold fusion. Even Martin F. regretted calling it that according to
what i read.
On Sunday, August
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
He did say ...there are various reactions that output more energy than
is put in... which is good enough for me.
Not good enough!
1. Many reactions output more energy than is put in, including chemical
reactions. That is too vague. He should have
Jed,
On one hand you want to be technical and on the other hand you do not.
Which is It?
Actually I think you call it cold fusion to promote your book else you will
need to change the name...
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com
Abd, I didn`t complain about the format. That was Jed`s part. I don`t know
why his comment is doing beside mine in your quote.
2012/8/5 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com
At 04:25 PM 8/4/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Daniel Rocha mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com**danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote
On one hand you want to be technical and on the other hand you do not.
Which is It?
There is no confusion. A discussion as to whether cold fusion produces heat
and helium is technical.
A discussion about the name -- cold fusion -- is semantic
Jed,
You were nit picking Mark, we all new what he meant.
I will await the next edition of your book, Anomalous Heat and the Future
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote
On one hand you
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
You were nit picking Mark, we all new what he meant.
No, he himself did not know what he meant. Various reactions that output
more energy than is put in can describe anything from striking a match to
fusion in the sun. It is vague. Just saying there
He did not use the word exothermic you made that up to support your point.
I am going to tune out now and get an update on one of your robots landing
on Mars in T-3:45.
Let's all pray for that dude coming in hot at 13,000 mph
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer
Due to land at 1:31 am EDT. I'll be asleep; but, you can watch it live at:
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
I'll be back at 5:30 am EDT and maybe some left coasters can post on
this thread if Curiosity survives the SEVEN MINUTES OF TERROR!
T
Gibbs should cease writing about cold fusion and stick to writing about USB flash drives or whatever other tech stories are appealing to his readership of establishment goons. His bias and regular omission of the facts clearly comes through in the tone and content of his articles. It's a wonder
see it all the landing live on NASA TV
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.comwrote:
He did not use the word exothermic you made that up to support your
point.
I am going to tune out now and get an update on one
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
He did not use the word exothermic you made that up to support your point.
I was restating his assertion, obviously! That is elegant variation. Not in
the pejorative sense. What is your point?
- Jed
Jed and Craig,
It's interesting that you both want the mainstream media to pay attention
to cold fusion yet you complain when we don't write *exactly* as you think
we should write.
You complain endlessly about sloppy journalism and how the theories of
cold fusion aren't clearly laid out (as you
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
It's interesting that you both want the mainstream media to pay attention
to cold fusion yet you complain when we don't write *exactly* as you think
we should write.
This has nothing to do with what I think. I am not the issue here.
I am suggesting you
I rest my case.
[mg]
On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote:
It's interesting that you both want the mainstream media to pay attention
to cold fusion yet you complain when we don't write *exactly* as you think
we should
That was my point, thanks for confirming
On Sunday, August 5, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
He did not use the word exothermic you made that up to support your
point.
I was restating his assertion,
You're absolutely right Jed.
Gibbs,
Science has little to do with being practical; it's purpose is NOT to answer
the question, is this new discovery of practical use?
Science is about determining what *is*. the truth about the physics of
something.
ENGINEERING is about optimizing, scaling
Hehe...so you DO read Vortex after all - I had suspected you may be paying attention Mark ;)
If mainstream media pundits such as yourself want to
continually present cold fusion in a less than positive light through a
series of badly researched and establishment skewed opinion pieces then
you
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/aug/06/curiosity-rover-mars-landing-live-blog
6.33am:http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/aug/06/curiosity-rover-mars-landing-live-blog#block-19
Touchdown
confirmed. We are safe on Mars!
Damn! It's curiosity! But, Opportunity is a great rover too!
CONGRATULATIONS! The actually did it.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
To: John Milstone vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:38 am
Subject: [Vo]:The Eagle has landed (oportunity)
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