Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I ran across an interesting recent paper on the collapse of coherent dipolar BECs when subject to confinement within an optical lattice. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1205.5176v1.pdf Since Rydberg matter can act as a condensate if you remove the heat, I thought this was applicable. I realize the leap of

Re: [Vo]:Magnetic/Inertial Drive Motors: Important claims are patented or published as quickly as possible

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Like, I said, I wish these guys were healthier... DePalma's partner with the magnetic motor, also an MIT graduate, Ed Delvers dies at age 52 of apparent Acute Asthma Attack http://www.scribd.com/doc/86710207/Bruce-Depalma-History Another Magnetic motor guy Ed Gray also met an untimely death

RE: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jones Beene
This is a good find with possible relevance for Ni-H, Stewart, but many observers will have a different take on how far one can take the BEC due to thermal issues. The classic dipolar boson and probably the only one which has a chance to form a BEC at high temperature, since it has greatly

Re: [Vo]:The Northwest Passage

2012-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
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Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
I understand and agree. I also understand that fusion also has thermal issues since it typically occurs at millions of degrees Kelvin. Maybe DGT's trojan horse theory is correct, who knows at this point. On Monday, September 3, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: This is a good find with possible

[Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread Jones Beene
An arcane concept - the Goldstone boson, could be one key to understanding the emergent nanomagnetism hypothesis for energy gain in Ni-H. The energy transfer originates from strong force and QCD color change dynamics, and therefore from the nuclear pion (via slight depletion of proton mass) then

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states is expected to be different from an ideal gas.

Re: [Vo]:The Northwest Passage

2012-09-03 Thread Alan Fletcher
: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2012 9:29:43 PM Subject: [Vo]:The Northwest Passage To seek a Northwest Passage at the call of many men To find there not a road back home again. To find there BUT THE road back home again. (there's also a never-sung last verse)

[Vo]:Fusion Demon Finds Easy Path

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
I was visualizing electron screened fusion between two protons and came up with an interesting thought experiment. In an earlier post on vortex I captured a demon and put it to work in an effort to understand fusion from a slow point of view. I was searching for an answer to some of my

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:03 PM 9/3/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:03 PM 9/3/2012, Jeff Berkowitz wrote: I don't know how Kim at Purdue is regarded in this group, but aside from his theoretical work, his ICCF-17 paper proposes three experiments along these lines. They are: (a) Determine the velocity distribution of deuterons in metals, which he states

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: My don't try this at home variation would be making some very highly loaded PdD and then whacking it with a sledge hammer. Someone, I think more than one researcher, has admitted to trying this. T

Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread hellokevin
This is by far the simplest looking theory I've seen for LENR.   It would seem Occham's Razor is in play here, especially when the theory is contrasted with Widom-Larson.     How do you test it?  --- On Mon, 9/3/12, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: From: Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread hellokevin
Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh the thing before after the experiment? Does any LENR researcher have equipment sensitive enough to detect the difference in proton mass depletion?

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: My don't try this at home variation would be making some very highly loaded PdD and then whacking it with a sledge hammer. Someone, I think more than one researcher, has

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: My daughter spent time in New Zealand. She says the national slogan there should be: Hey, let's try it! Why not? Kind of like the infamous redneck last words, Hey, Bubba, watch this! T

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Or Hey, what's this button do?... On Monday, September 3, 2012, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: My daughter spent time in New Zealand. She says the national slogan there should be: Hey, let's try it! Why not?

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mike confirmed that story. It wasn't my imagination that he said that. He said they were making micro-electrodes by stretching a (molten) hollow glass fiber as fast as they could before it cooled. - Jed

[Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
hello, here is interesting and easy concept for perpetual motion machine using magnets. Problem: why this is not accepted as perpetual motion machine? I do not see anything wrong with this concept, but it clearly produces more rotational energy that easily overcomes the friction. Evolution

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
Le Sep 3, 2012 à 2:43 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com a écrit : Mike McKubre says that he first met Martin Fleischmann, there were several students in the hallway firing a bow and arrow for some sort of experiment. It looked foolhardy. Mike decided it was just the place for him. I

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Daniel Rocha
2012/9/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com hello, here is interesting and easy concept for perpetual motion machine using magnets. Problem: why this is not accepted as perpetual motion machine? I do not see anything wrong with this concept, but it clearly produces more rotational

Re: [Vo]:Fusion Demon Finds Easy Path

2012-09-03 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Aside from the issue of getting an electron be modified as you describe, the electron would tend to be taken up into the s1 orbital by one of the protons, forming a stable 1H atom, would it not? In other words, you're describing a metastable state, like the proverbial dog who starves to death

Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Yeah, this might be interesting enough to motivate another few weeks of frantic reading. And I just got done with electron capture, sheesh. ;-) On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 2:06 PM, helloke...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Energy comes from proton mass depletion So... the way to test this theory is to weigh

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Make him run that for some years and he might be slightly more convincing. Superfluid He can rotate for weeks without problem. Unfortunately, I have way too much experience with these sorts of things. This is

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Make him run that for some years and he might be slightly more convincing. Superfluid He can rotate for weeks without problem. Unfortunately, I

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: the question is could the device generate enough electricity to keep the magnets magnetised? Two years of research has shown me that the magnetic cycle is conservative. IMO, no. T

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: However I do not think that it is anymore complex idea than refrigerator magnet that is doing endless work against gravity or electron that can orbit nucleus without losing it's energy. In your example no work is

RE: [Vo]:I admire Mr. Andrea Rossi

2012-09-03 Thread Charter - Steven Vincent Johnson
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RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread Jones Beene
Well - yes - the theory is falsifiable in exactly this way, but of course - you only do mass spectrometry on the hydrogen fill not the entire device. And yes - at least I have heard that SRI has an instrument sensitive enough to do this kind of measurement on hydrogen - but for whatever

Re: [Vo]:Fusion Demon Finds Easy Path

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
You certainly are asking the correct questions if you assume that I am proposing a real example. Of course it is not possible to actually perform the experiment as described. The thought process and experiment was mainly intended to demonstrate that shielding of charges might actually result

[Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
Just a couple noteworthy items from my research for those few of you that cannot get enough of my black hole/collapsed matter theory of CF. A 2008 study considered the internal mass of a black hole to be very similar to a dense Bose Einstein Condensate, not necessarily a singularity.

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 9:49 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is apparent that the oblong shape would result in a strong dipole behavior provided that that nucleus is not in the center. The references that have been suggested all show the nucleus of the atom as located at one

RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread Jones Beene
The underlying major hypothesis for ultimate gain is mass-to-energy conversion, but with little or no fission, beta decay, non-reversible fusion, or transmutation. There can be slight transmutation from QM tunneling but far from sufficient to account for gain. The proton mass is not quantized and

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
This is an interesting device. It appears that the energy stored by the magnet at the top in its beginning location is converted into angular energy of motion of the drum .There is some left over to keep the magnet moving up and down as well. There must be a substantial magnetic force

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Technically a massive or a charged object moving in a circular path should emit radiation, gravitational or electromagnetic. The gravitational radiation emitted by a planet is extremely small so the energy loss is not going to affect the orbit dynamic even over enormous period of times. In

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: A classical electron should emit a lot of radiation orbiting a so high velocity around the nucleus of an atom and should collapse into the nucleus in a very short time. This doesn't happen and it puzzled the

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result,

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Harry, I think that conventional or classical physics is just wrong, because it just assumes gravity without explaining it. In real physics we cannot just assume such things, as giovanni mentioned. If you hold two 10 kg hand weights stationary with straight hands in horizontal orientation, then

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: However neodyme magnets are very resilient and I would say that produced energy exceeds by far the energy required to make the magnet in the first place. I would say by factor of 1000 or more. Actually, the

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
No quantum mechanics doesn't explain why the electron doesn't emit, it just states that that is the case for certain fixed orbits. Some explanations invoke the wave nature of the electrons and state that the orbitals are stationary states similar to standing waves in a pipe. It is an heuristic

Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-03 Thread Axil Axil
Do you favor the mystery energy source claims of LeClair and Papp? Cheers: axil On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The underlying major hypothesis for ultimate gain is mass-to-energy conversion, but with little or no fission, beta decay, non-reversible

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Sep 4, 2012, at 6:30 AM, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: What happens is that your muscles are like springs and they are getting stretched by the weight. When they are stretched beyond a point the muscle pulls back and then relaxes, this over and over again and this

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-03 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
How is this an epicycle? A biological system is complicated and even if it has to obey the law of physics, it is not usually a good starting example to introduce basic physics concepts. In some cases (teaching physics to biomed students) could be a good idea to mention examples like this in

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It would be ideal if the pseudo neutron can be formed which would then penetrate the nucleus but I am afraid that the energy equations would not balance. If there are two different paths to the same ultimate result,

Re: [Vo]:Fusion Demon Finds Easy Path

2012-09-03 Thread mixent
In reply to David Roberson's message of Mon, 3 Sep 2012 14:46:26 -0400 (EDT): Hi, All the more or less workable hypotheses rely on this principle in one form or another. Here is a short list:- 1) Horace Heffner's Deflation Fusion. 2) Varieties of Mills' Hydrino Theory. 3) Hydrex 4) Ed Storms.

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
You have generated an excellent list Eric which includes many reactions that I have been analyzing. The latest demon run that I posted reduced my concerns a bit since it suggested that the barrier energy can be reclaimed after the fusion event has been initiated. This might help explain some

Re: [Vo]:Old time doctors

2012-09-03 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Axil, A very interesting metaphor- I think the arrogant doctors are the equivalent of the LENR+ skeptics today. Actually it is a case of people who*know *vs the people who *learn* and, unfortunately this dichotomy is present even inside the CF/LENR community. In the Garfield story was there

Re: [Vo]:RSH in Electric Fields

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
Eric, my last response hints at a way to balance the energy books. My strange thought experiment suggests that the energy required to penetrate the coulomb barrier is the same with borrowed help coming from the shielding electrons. The shielding could effectively lower the barrier

Re: [Vo]:Fusion Demon Finds Easy Path

2012-09-03 Thread David Roberson
Thanks Robin. I guess that we can assume that shielding will be required one way or the other. My main revelation is that much of the barrier energy can be temporarily borrowed but needs to be repaid once fusion occurs. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: