RE: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
NASA failed to mention the surprising activity that seems to show up in this Russian video, in slo-mo. The video could have been altered - with the addition of a fast moving object that seems to impact with the object to make it explode. Since the original story of a missile shoot-down

RE: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded#t=0s feature=player_embedded#t=0s NASA failed to mention the surprising activity that seems to show up in this Russian video, in slo-mo. The video could have been altered - with

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:19 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: What is your cite, Terry? It could have been the same.

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
What is so unusual about this video? The meteor exploded, which sent fragments in all directions, including straight ahead as the video shows. As for shooting down an object slowing from 17000 mph in the atmosphere, where is the common sense? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Jones Beene

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread James Bowery
I believe he's referring to the appearance of a glowing object approaching from _behind_ the main mass that correlates in time and direction to the ejection of fragments with its disappearance into the main mass. Yes, we're talking delta-velocities that are outside of plausible explanation by

Re: [Vo]:Strategy Principles

2013-02-17 Thread Axil Axil
Commenting on the content of the Nasa patent as follows: ‘The material system may comprise a metal hydride. The electrically-conductive material may be in a form selected from the group consisting of particles and whiskers.’ Clearly the theory that this revelation implies is apparent. Nasa even

Re: [Vo]:Strategy Principles

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Commenting on the content of the Nasa patent as follows: ‘The material system may comprise a metal hydride. The electrically-conductive material may be in a form selected from the group consisting of particles and

RE: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Resend with this addition: NASA says meteor was nuclear-like in its intensity. Maybe they know something. http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/15/16969092-nuclear-like-in-its-i ntensity-russian-meteor-blast-is-the-largest-since-1908?lite Ed, Near the end of the video at 26-27 seconds -

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
Note the blury object on the left just below the meteor's tail, which appears to catch up to the meteor. Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What is so unusual about this video? The meteor exploded, which sent fragments in all directions,

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I believe he's referring to the appearance of a glowing object approaching from _behind_ the main mass that correlates in time and direction to the ejection of fragments with its disappearance into the main mass. Yes,

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Resend with this addition: NASA says meteor was nuclear-like in its intensity. Maybe they know something. http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/15/16969092-nuclear-like-in-its-i

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Notice that several independent contrails formed before the explosion as separate pieces moved through the atmosphere at slightly different speeds and locations in space. The object appearing to come from behind could be a piece of the meteor that had come off earlier and appeared to

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
Please apply some common sense. The object was too small to detect and was totally unexpected. Even if it was detected with enough time to launch a missile, why do this? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread James Bowery
Erratum: Ignoring the out-gong fragments should be Taking into account the out-going fragments On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I believe he's referring to the appearance of a glowing object approaching from _behind_ the main mass that correlates in time

[Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Defkalion GT chief technical officer John Hadjichristos occasionally writes comments and answers questions on Peter Gluck's blog EGO OUT [1]. I think this one posted today might be worth of some attention:

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
A comparable nuclear blast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCUhiUxxIw Seems the spectators found it thrilling. harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Resend with this addition: NASA says meteor was nuclear-like in its intensity. Maybe they know

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
I don't think it was intercepted, but I am not convinced by the argument that it was technically impossible. Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Please apply some common sense. The object was too small to detect and was totally unexpected. Even if

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, no theory will cause a Western government to provide funds for LENR research for the reasons John states in the article. However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated at will. This

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Like Tunguska, it was an alien sacrifice: http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6868/56

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Edmund Storms
This speculation would be fun if some people were not serious. On Feb 17, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Like Tunguska, it was an alien sacrifice: http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/6868/56

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread James Bowery
This is a currently operational ground-based Russian ABMhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBto1aVOQwE . On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it was intercepted, but I am not convinced by the argument that it was technically impossible. Harry

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread David Roberson
Would an electromagnetic pulse from any nuclear explosion at this altitude cause widespread damage to electronic equipment? I have not seen any reports of this problem. Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 17,

Re: [Vo]:OT: Lead poisoning could really be A cause of violent crime

2013-02-17 Thread Michele Comitini
A theory credits lead poisoning as one of the causes of Roman Empire decline. Romans knew about lead dangers, but that theory is still fascinating. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_of_the_Roman_Empire#Lead_poisoning mic 2013/2/17 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com: I posted this after

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Axil Axil
*The problem is that we can not agree on what is important or how to solve the basic problem. The basic problem is the impossibility to cause the effect at will by anyone who tries. Yes, individuals have had success, including myself. This success is short lived and rarely replicated by another

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
That explosion is way, way too small. It look like to have at most 1kt-2kt. That meteor exploded with 500x that energy. It should be something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvW0N-cFexM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fSMJkMK5M 2013/2/17 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com A

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Daniel Rocha
A remastered version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNx67QjUHxU 2013/2/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com That explosion is way, way too small. It look like to have at most 1kt-2kt. That meteor exploded with 500x that energy. It should be something like this:

[Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzG881Vii8 I don't think this could be photoshopped frame by frame so well, and so quickly, but who knows... given the economic realities in Russia, a bunch of twenty something geeks with nothing better to do, and the promise of YT monetization ... yeah they could

Re: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread de Bivort Lawrence
At least two problems with this speculation: 1) The meteor wasn't brought down -- it was already on its way to collision with earth. 2) It is highly unlikely that a missile would survive smashing through a meteor and be able to continue on its course apparently intact. Cheers, Lawry On Feb

RE: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Although most of what you say is defensible ... which of these scenarios makes the most sense: 1) a meteor explodes naturally on contact with the atmosphere, and yet sends out a highly elongated missile-like projectile with a pointed end, instead of the expect 'blob' - and which projectile

Re: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
check the comments below the video... clearly the fragments are UFO ejection pods. ;-) Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzG881Vii8 I don't think this could be photoshopped frame by frame so well, and so quickly,

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:36 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Would an electromagnetic pulse from any nuclear explosion at this altitude cause widespread damage to electronic equipment? I have not seen any reports of this problem. The nature of the explosion of a meteoroid is

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2008/07/how-to-watch-nuclear-explosion.html Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: A remastered version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNx67QjUHxU 2013/2/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com That explosion is way,

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread Harry Veeder
On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads. A

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-17 Thread David Roberson
Yeah, that is what I was trying to say Terry. I pointed out that there was no electromagnetic pulse damage, so likely no nuclear explosion. :-) Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 17, 2013 8:57 pm Subject:

RE: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread Jones Beene
Here is an explanation for the amazing projectile form which is seen in the video exiting the meteor at high speed in the forward vector - at least this is the best explanation that I can come up with (besides a faked video). The initial meteor consists of an agglomeration of two of the better

Re: [Vo]:Science Set Free

2013-02-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Here's an interesting article along these lines of discussion. Trolls win: Rude blog comments dim the allure of science online February 14, 2013 http://phys.org/news/2013-02-trolls-rude-blog-comments-dim.html The trolls are winning. Pick a story about some aspect of science, any story, scroll

Re: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down

2013-02-17 Thread Alexander Hollins
In addition, you can see the vapor trails and it's clear that at some point there was two objects. It looks to me more like a piece of the meteor fell behind after breaking up, but caught up because the main mass slowed significantly rigght before exploding, which matches standard behavior, it hit

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community

2013-02-17 Thread Kevin O'Malley
So ... we all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be replicated at will. When will that be? It seems that the closest person to reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to be replicated, or maybe Celani. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund