Re: [Vo]:OT: scrabble challenge

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, An appropriate anagram of cold fusion would be ;-) : Coils Found There's also: Foci Old Sun Cloud Of Sin Cud Of Lions Flu Is On Doc And a few hundred more in english.

RE: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Dave: Your interaction with Cude on the DC power issue has been most illuminating in two ways: 1- since Cude has admitted that the estimate of output power was probably reasonable, that only leaves in question the input power. If this forum can help to eliminate possible, and

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Onze helden zijn terug! (Our heroes are back!)

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
For those who don't get it, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Nightwatch_by_Rembrandt.jpg

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-04 Thread David Roberson
OK, I guess it was not clear to me what you were pointing out. It had the sound of sarcasm...my bad. Dave -Original Message- From: DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2013 12:33 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Murray
Hello folks, I'm scanning just a little of the cold fusion discussion the last two weeks -- I'm glad Joshua Cude is married and has to balance a life against his brisk practice to pinpointing and summarizing evidence that cold fusion claims are erroneous -- I believe him when he says, like me, he

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Onze helden zijn terug! (Our heroes are back!)

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
One of the 10 most famous paintings in the world. Peter Greenaway actually made two versions of the movie about this painting http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0446750/ and http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1303889 and the life of Rembrandt. The latter explaining in detail how full of meaning the

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: Peltiers give you direct heat electrical but you are lucky to get 5% in the real world on those and that would mean a COP of 20 for a self sustaining thing. I believe that is 5% with high heat, such as the exhaust pipe of a truck. Jed- do you

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: you admit that you haven’t read most of his postings so you haven’t a clue. He is a liar. His goal is to debunk. That should be obvious. On 5/31: “Man, this place is crawling with ignoramuses.” ** ** on 6/1: “It's funny

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 09:28:12 -0700 MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Vorl: You haven't a clue either... When it comes to LENR, there is overwhelming evidence Then why haven't MIT and GE noticed the overwhelming evidence and taken out patents so they can add a trillion or so

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree, the contribution by Cude has long since lost its value. His issues have been discussed and answered several times. He is never going to accept the basic claims, so why bother. Nevertheless, his response is answered and the the answer creates a response, with no end in sight.

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: If you do not like to read this sort of thing just block his messages. What is the big deal? ***When lurkers come on over to Vortex, they might read one thread but the vast majority don't read all the threads. On one

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: When it comes to LENR, there is overwhelming evidence Then why haven't MIT and GE noticed the overwhelming evidence and taken out patents so they can add a trillion or so to their bottom lines? Because they are unaware of the results. They have

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: ***When lurkers come on over to Vortex, they might read one thread but the vast majority don't read all the threads. On one thread I proved that Joshua Cude was off by more than 4500 orders of magnitude. He goes silent. Then on another thread he

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4 - here here

2013-06-04 Thread David L Babcock
What he said. I whacked, unread, those forty odd, and here I am reading and deleting, one-by-one, forty or so responses. Enough of this. Ol' Bab On 6/4/2013 12:15 PM, Robert Ellefson wrote: ... at what point does this incessant (IMO) kind posting behavior considered a nuisance and

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: As I said the other day, if this test was of competing coffee makers, and they chose brand A as the best one, I would probably accept their recommendation rather than demanding more tests . . . Measuring the difference between 300 Watts and 900 Watts is

RE: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-04 Thread DJ Cravens
Sarcasm has no place in science. To me it is just telling a lie and laughing about it. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe... From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 13:02:11 -0400 OK, I guess it was not clear to me what you were pointing out. It

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:29:27 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that these measurements have enormous implications has no bearing on...how believable they are. Of course it does. Do you think GE will be beating down Rossi's doors because of this one test? ; but

[Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-04 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, Daniele Passerini of 22passi blog is posting photos and slides from yesterday's meeting at the EU parliament on LENR, from an anonymous source, along with other misc. information. As of writing only photos from McKubre's and Violante's presentation are available, but apparently

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Of course it does. Do you think GE will be beating down Rossi's doors because of this one test? No, as I said, they know nothing about this. Again let me urge you to look at history. Look after Marshall proved that Helicobacter pylor people ignored him,

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 15:46:16 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: Of course it does. Do you think GE will be beating down Rossi's doors because of this one test? No, as I said, they know nothing about this. I doubt GE got to where it

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
I stopped reading his 40 posts at about the #10 mark, and skipped responses to them too. I don't think I missed anything significant. I DID think that his poolboy/taxi-driver comment was very funny. There MAY be a human being under all the robo posts after all.

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikipedia article was nonsense from start to finish, when I last checked it a few years ago. ***And by doing nothing about dishonest debunkers, Vortex will become the same. So... some Vorts want to see him

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: No, as I said, they know nothing about this. I doubt GE got to where it is without an efficient intelligence service that keeps them up-to-date on anything that could increase, or threaten, their bottom line. I have been in contact with people at GE.

Re: [Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 12:12:14 PM Daniele Passerini of 22passi blog is posting photos and slides from yesterday's meeting at the EU parliament on LENR, from an anonymous source, along with other misc. information. As of writing only

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
I meant to say: EPRI is the only major organization that knows anything about McKubre's work and they also said it is real. They do not fund the research because of academic and corporate politics. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: I would have expected a summary of Rossi's CLAIMED results, pointing out that they have not been fully verified. That would only happen if one of Levi's group showed up. Researchers never talk about results from other groups. It would be irresponsible for

Re: [Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: Researchers never talk about results from other groups. It would be irresponsible for them to do so. I mean at a formal, official presentation of this nature. It would fine for McKubre to talk about Rossi at an ICCF conference or some other less formal venue. At the 2004 DOE

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:15:23 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Please stop the nonsense. You said that right here: That is true. The risk for Levi is negligible and he can always claim ignorance. Levi has very steady job at university and his pay roll is determined solely by

[Vo]:A New Direction for Thermoelectric Cooling

2013-06-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Materials in which heat flows perpendicular to an electric current could lead to better devices for cooling electronics. http://physics.aps.org/articles/v6/63 Harry

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: So If Levi is making few dozens of kiloeuros extra money with Rossi with very little efforts, his involvement is more than justified. . . . Did you mean that, or not? Do you think Levi is conspiring to defraud people, or not? Again, I did not say

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikipedia article was nonsense from start to finish, when I last checked it a few years ago. ***And by doing nothing about dishonest debunkers, Vortex will become the same. I do not see the similarity. At Wikipedia, when they disagree with

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Vorl Bek
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013 16:48:10 -0400 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: You are right! You did not say that. Jouni Valkonen did. I somehow got the messages mixed up. My apologies. No problem.

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-06-04 Thread David Roberson
Josh, I promised not to keep responding to you in an effort to keep your posts from flooding the bandwidth with non sense. You just need to make one consideration about input power. If you are sharp enough and can follow what I have written then you will put 2 and 2 together to understand

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-06-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:58 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: But I think you misunderstood. I was not referring to new science

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-06-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The tactic of the obstructionist is to avoid dealing with the case The avoidance here is from the true believers who insist that any alternative

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4 - here here

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:24 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: What he said. I whacked, unread, those forty odd, and here I am reading and deleting, one-by-one, forty or so responses. Enough of this. JC is considerate to post all his responses at one time making them easier to

[Vo]:michael, please add me to your LinkedIn network

2013-06-04 Thread Daniel Rocha
LinkedIn Daniel Rocha requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn: -- michael, I'd like to include you in my network to share updates and stay in touch. - Daniel Accept invitation from Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-06-04 Thread Axil Axil
*…whereas they refuse to explain the thermodynamics of a power density 100 times that of uranium in a fission reactor without melting,…* The fission reactor is extremely inefficient in its use of nuclear fuel. The limiting factor in the nuclear fuel utilization is the zirconium cladding that

[Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
Take a look at the posting times of JC's latest posts in the Ethics string and compare with the length of the posts: 7:44 7:45 7:46 7:48 7:50 7:52 7:54 7:55 7:57 7:58 7:59 8:08 Hmmm. Interesting, eh? Now, I'm not saying he is a bot; but, can even Jed do this in real time with his Dragon? How

[Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
I have been a lurker for a short while, but I figured if skeptopaths are allowed here, I should also be accepted. I think a simple way to deal with skeptopaths is to make a rule that no one may be here who does not accept the reality of LENR. There are plenty of forums where disbelievers in

Re: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Axil Axil
It takes time to formulate a well-structured and informative post. However, If a mindless randomize word generator technique is used to produce a series of post , a high rate of verbiage can be spewed out in a relatively short timeframe. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Terry Blanton

Re: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:40 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It takes time to formulate a well-structured and informative post. However, If a mindless randomize word generator technique is used to produce a series of post , a high rate of verbiage can be spewed out in a relatively short

Re: [Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been a lurker for a short while, but I figured if skeptopaths are allowed here, I should also be accepted. I think a simple way to deal with skeptopaths is to make a rule that no one may be here who does not accept

RE: [Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
That is a description, not a rule. If it were a rule, we could enforce it. I know all about freedom of speech and openness and all that. But I really don't think that it applies here in a world were everyone can say anything anywhere. LENR is a FACT. We should be trying to deal with LENR+,

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: It is not clear to me that CF works best in a completely solid environment. Melting may accelerate the effect, but if the melting occurs just beneath the surface like magma, pressure will build and volcanic like

[Vo]:MODERATOR: cude removed for constant rule2 violation

2013-06-04 Thread William Beaty
Agreed, Mr. cude doesn't seem to be able to control himself. Yes, every once in a while we pick up a staunch Skeptic who can't seem to read Rule 2. I have no rule against trolls here. And I have little problem with small-s skepticism. But in part, rule 2 is there to stop the irrational

RE: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
From one ignoramus to another, that's a very interesting observation! ;-) -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 3:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String Take a look at the posting times of JC's

Re: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I'm not arguing for banning Joshua Cude. I'm saying he should be given a timeout, to return in one day (if he wishes) but then he has an assigned thread that he will be expected to babysit. The thread would be something like Joshua Cude Returns. Anyone can log onto that thread and point out

Re: [Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Roger B wrote: I have been a lurker for a short while, but I figured if skeptopaths are allowed here, I should also be accepted. Hm, better read MODERATOR message.Deal harshwy with those that transgwess the unwritten lawr. But it's not unwritten:

Re: [Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:58 PM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: The x-ray laser backscatter CIA satellites are imaging your brain right now, you know? Their beams are pulsed to cleverly mimic cosmic ray background on a gm counter, but I know better, I KNOW! I told you to keep your tin

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-06-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It is like explaining how a rocket works to a muleskinner. Note, however that the astronomer Milton Humason began his career as a muleskinner during the construction of the Mt. Wilson observatory. Then he became the janitor in 1917. Then in 1919 he was

[Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
I confess to being an ignoramus. I confess to having only a B.A. in psychology, a B.A. in philosophy, and an A.S. in electronics technology. I am, however, a philosophical savant. I have a question that I have asked several times but have never gotten an answer. By what means do

RE: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Jones Beene
MIT? Is that a guess. I thought he had already been identified as a grad student named Josh Schroeder, pictured here with fellow students (and fellow posters?) at Columbia http://outreach.astro.columbia.edu/aboutus/index.html -Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint From one

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread James Bowery
If you are, as you say, a philosophical savant interested in the speed of light, then I suggest you read ON THE OCCURRENCE OF SOME FAMILIAR PROCESSES REVERSED IN TIMEhttp://www.boundaryinstitute.org/bi/articles/ProcRevTime_1960.pdf . On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:26 PM, Roger B

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
I didn't say that I was a speed reader. Roger Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:41:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess From: jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com If you are, as you say, a philosophical savant interested in the speed of light, then I suggest you read ON THE OCCURRENCE OF SOME

Re: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:39 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: MIT? Is that a guess. Columbia will suffice. I dunno; but, I don't think he was doin' this alone.

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread leaking pen
I do know that beta particles, used in the famous gold foil experiments, are .75 c in vacuum, but often faster than c in other materials. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote: I confess to being an ignoramus. I confess to having only a B.A. in psychology, a

RE: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Vorl sez: ... Others on this list post far more often than Cude, but you have nothing to say about them; it seems to me you just want to shut Cude up because you do not like what he says. You're absolutely correct that I don't like what Mr. Cude, or whomever he/she really is,

RE: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Jed sez: But at what point does this incessant (IMO) kind posting behavior considered a nuisance and hindrance to on-going Vortex discussions? It is not a problem. Just filter the messages out. Frankly, I do not see why you raise the issue. As previously stated I already started filtering

RE: [Vo]:Over 40 messages posted by Joshua Cude posted on June 4

2013-06-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
From Mr. Murray: ... I'm glad Joshua Cude is married and has to balance a life against his brisk practice to pinpointing and summarizing evidence that cold fusion claims are erroneous Whoa! You state Joshua is married? Have you been carrying on a private conversation with him? Did

RE: [Vo]:Newbie

2013-06-04 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, Roger B wrote: That is a description, not a rule. Debunking and pathological skepticism is banned. Perhaps I should add if you don't identify as True Believer, the owner might remove you at any time. But vortex is not a CF list. If someone is a electric-water-vortex

Re: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Terry Blanton
Honestly, a guitar? http://outreach.astro.columbia.edu/aboutus/photos/joshs.jpg

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
James, Somehow the article doesn't grab me. How's that for philosophy. (:-) Roger Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:41:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess From: jabow...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com If you are, as you say, a philosophical savant interested in the speed of light, then I

[Vo]:Ending Patent Trolls

2013-06-04 Thread Ron Kita
A link that hopefully will the Patent Trolls: http://phys.org/news/2013-06-white-house-high-tech-patents.html Respectfully, Ron Kita, Chiralex

[Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF LENR, relentlessly so. I suspect they do so because they have ironically misplaced the specific audience they are actually trying to convince. Pseudoskeptics think they are

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
Actually, Rutherford's gold foil experiment used alpha particles, generated by Radon radioactive decay. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger%E2%80%93Marsden_experiment According to http://www.epa.gov/radiation/understand/alpha.html and http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Alpha_decay

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread leaking pen
I coulda sworn thoron was a beta emitter. my bad. On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:24 PM, Joseph S. Barrera III jbarr...@slac.stanford.edu wrote: Actually, Rutherford's gold foil experiment used alpha particles, generated by Radon radioactive decay.

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
Disappointing, Joe. 5% is just a little on the slow side, relativity speaking. (:-) I would not call 5% a data point. Roger Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:24:42 -0700 From: jbarr...@slac.stanford.edu To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:I confess Actually, Rutherford's gold foil

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
Did you just say this: skeptopaths need to tear everyone else down so that they can feel superior. Or: skeptopaths are afraid of anything outside of the box, so they try to get you to come back in. Or: skeptopaths hate anything that might offer hope. Or: one skeptopath I know has severe

RE: [Vo]:Ending Patent Trolls

2013-06-04 Thread Roarty, Francis X
YEAHHH! Finally! From: Ron Kita [mailto:chiralex.k...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 10:16 PM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Ending Patent Trolls A link that hopefully will the Patent Trolls: http://phys.org/news/2013-06-white-house-high-tech-patents.html Respectfully, Ron Kita,

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread John Berry
It is interesting that it is seldom the other way round. Someone who believes in something might want to share with others who are open minded, but they have little interest in converting so-called skeptics, they don't seek them out. Pseudo-skeptics are not just content in stopping people from

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Craig Brown
Often pseudosceptics have a high opinion of themselves, see themselves as elite. It is interesting that a disproportionately high number of pseudosceptics have an interest in magic.Most however, appear to suffer from Imagination Deficiency Personality IDPFictional miss-identification: Often an IDP

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
That description gave me quite a start there for a second. I was afraid that you were talking about me. (:-) Roger From: cr...@overunity.co To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:59:40 -0700 Often

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
But, seriously, that was an excellent description. Can you supply a link to it? Roger From: cr...@overunity.co To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk? Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 19:59:40 -0700 Often pseudosceptics have a high

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Giovanni Santostasi
Are UFO and LENR in the same category? Giovanni On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:24 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF LENR, relentlessly

[Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-04 Thread pagnucco
A new arxiv paper, perhaps of interest - Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium under exposure of solid targets in heavy water http://arxiv.org/abs/1306.0830 ABSTRACT: The processes of laser-assisted synthesis of Tritium nuclei and their laser-induced decay in cold plasma in the vicinity

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Roger B
No, LENR and UFOs are not in the same category. LENR has lots of physical evidence. The so-called physical evidence for UFOs is very weak if not non-existent. [LENRs will help people. UFOs are just a distraction from worry about paying one's bills.] The so-called physical evidence for

RE: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Craig Brown
This link below is to my own site where I have assembled some of the major character traits of pseudos. I had plenty of real life experience of these clowns owing to the fact that they were at infestation levels on the Steorn forum before they all got banned for trolling. Mary Yugo,

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-04 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Lou, NICE CITATION! Funny how radioactive decay keeps coming up with respect to nano particles and excited gas atoms. Yes I would posit decay acceleration in arcs with tungsten electrodes used for atomic welding but granted the electrodes are probably also acting as a catalyst and the decay may

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Mark Gibbs
Might I suggest using a smaller point size and any typeface other than Comic Sans (it's a typeface that give us type nerds bad dreams). [mg] On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com wrote: But, seriously, that was an excellent description. Can you supply a link to it?

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Murray
Anyone sincerely think I'm a pseudoskeptic since December 1996 ? I'm keenly alert to hear exactly what folks really think... -- uh, I'm sure I'm not... both terms are prejudiced: PseudoSkeptic, TrueBeliever... just justifies closing down collaborative discussions by classifyinging the other

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Might I suggest using a smaller point size and any typeface other than Comic Sans (it's a typeface that give us type nerds bad dreams). I think Comic Sans is a perfect typeface for this list, since it scares away anyone who has

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Roger B rogerbi...@hotmail.com Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:55:38 PM James, Somehow the article doesn't grab me. How's that for philosophy. (:-) Roger Is there any chance you could drop the 24-point Comic Sans ? It's like a car-full of clowns screaming.

RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Laser-induced synthesis and decay of Tritium

2013-06-04 Thread pagnucco
Fran, I think it's hard to determine exactly where nuclear effects occur in arcs - assuming the experiments are conducted and reported correctly. As time permits, I am trying to calculate how much energy an electron in a plasma can borrow from its surrounding current using some neglected physics

Re: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Murray
Hi Roger B., Everything at the scale of atoms, fermions, bosons, quarks, and vibrating strings (membranes) of energy are pure vacuums, 4-D space-time coordinate systems that forever boil, as pairs of oppositely charged, otherwise exactly equal events appear very briefly at all energies, and

RE: [Vo]:I confess

2013-06-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Alan wrote... Is there any chance you could drop the 24-point Comic Sans? It's like a car-full of clowns screaming. LoL... now that's funny! Now that Bill has tossed the drunkard out the door, perhaps things might be returning to 'normal' in the Dime Box Saloon??? -m -Original

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: cude removed for constant rule2 violation

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
I guess I'm a little behind the curve. Joshua got banned anyways. From the other thread... On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not arguing for banning Joshua Cude. I'm saying he should be given a timeout, to return in one day (if he wishes) but

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Rich Murray
uh, what is Comic Sans ? clueless in Imperial Beach, CA, Rich On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: Might I suggest using a smaller point size and any typeface other than Comic Sans (it's

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-06-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Ed, On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On Jun 2, 2013, at 12:15 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: On May 30, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:00

Re: [Vo]:Cude and the Ethics String

2013-06-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Hmmm. Interesting, eh? Now, I'm not saying he is a bot; but, can even Jed do this in real time with his Dragon? He was like a mighty paladin with a broadsword in the middle of the battlefield, with the enemy soldiers

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread William Beaty
On Tue, 4 Jun 2013, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF LENR, relentlessly so. Another method is to query your own Skeptic side. What I find in there is

Re: [Vo]:Why are pseudoskeptics so relentless in their mission to debunk?

2013-06-04 Thread Kevin O'Malley
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:24 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net wrote: A question that hasn't been asked is WHY many pseudoskeptics seem to pursue rabid vendettas against issues like UFOs, or CF LENR, relentlessly so. . ***It's because they're genuinely

Re: [Vo]:A Couple Hundred Bucks Maybe...

2013-06-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I have never heard of mechanical work from temperatures below 100 deg C. I recall reading on this list at one point that a Stirling engine could do something along these lines. There is this post, which says something

RE: [Vo]:Photos and slides from June 3rd meeting on LENR @ Brussels

2013-06-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Akira, Thanks for the heads-up; at least someone is keeping an eye on goings-on in the LENR world when we're busy chasing trolls out of the saloon... Did anyone happen to look carefully at the slides from SKINR (U of Missouri)??? Hubler/Rob Duncan Look at the COPs and Duration of Excess

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