Recent positive responses to Mizuno's work present recently at MIT
by Yoshino made me look at his work presented at ICCF
18http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTmethodofco.pdflast year.
In section 1.1 of this presentation Mizuno hints in my view at Rydberg
matter but does not actually mention
Having just read Mats Lewan's An Impossible Invention I would bet on
Rossi knowing what he is doing. He's been through all this a coupe of
times before. In particular, consider what would have happened if he
had described the E-Cat in sufficient detail that others could make a
working
Keep in mind that Rydberg matter does not normally describe shrunken
hydrogen. Shrunken hydrogen has its electron in a reduced orbital at an
energy state below the normally accepted ground state. This has been
variously described as inverse Rydberg and fractional Rydberg or
hydrino (Mills)
Axil Axil,
As Lennart Thornros pointed out, the problem was that DGT never paid
into the escrow account by the promised date. So there was doubt that
they could pay Rossi no matter how well the E-Cat worked.
As Mats pointed out, Rossi was prone to jump to conclusions about what
was still just
From: Jed Rothwell
Defkalion is a two-bit company with an ever changing mailing address and a
web page that is down for weeks. They have never published a single credible
report, or any real data. Their presentations are amateur... If they have
something they are doing a lousy job
This is really funny seeing people calling DGT presentation amateur while
being completely oblivious to the complete incompetence of Rossi's
presentation! It's so full of holes that we can hardly exclude cheating
from any of them.
Concerning DGT amateur presentation, Mats calculated an output of
Bob--
What is your understanding of the energy transfer mechanism involved in the
evanescent coupling (non-radiative) phenomena?
The ones we know about are vibrational lattice damping, spin coupling, spin
orbit force coupling, electro-weak force coupling, gravitational coupling and
maybe
Since they are now broke - DGT is no longer worth our time to consider as
being a relevant player in LENR. Good riddance. Brillouin appears to have
bombed out as well but do not despair.
More players in the LENR market place can only help LENR get off the ground
in these most delicate and
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
This is really funny seeing people calling DGT presentation amateur while
being completely oblivious to the complete incompetence of Rossi's
presentation!
No one I know has said Rossi does good presentations.
The two are unrelated. The fact that
You are the one claiming steal, when it perhaps was it is you to blame
incompetence by dealing with them. You want people to believe you, while in
my opinion, you want to be pampered and spoiled, or not accused of
incompetence, by anyone in the field.
It's obvious that you are the incompetent,
Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com wrote:
I feel sorryfor Jed being screwed of money. Not fair and I agree with Jed
there is not worth the effort to get them back.
Don't worry about it. It was nothing.
Actually, it was worth the money. The fact that they did not pay, and then
they went on
A contractor tells a subcontractor what the terms of getting paid are in a
specification that is agreed upon by both parties. If the subcontractor
fails to meet that specification in the opinion of the contractor, then the
subcontractor is not paid for the subpar work.
Was your work for DGT up
Don't come with bullshit. Ideas cannot be stolen. Only properties can be.
If anything was stolen it was Rossi's fault.
2014-04-08 12:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
When you steal an idea (or try to steal one) you don't go around publicly
bragging about what you did later
Sharing and debating ideas is the lifeblood of science. This is doubly true
for LENR. Is that not what CMNS and vortex is all about?
I knew that a potassium salt was Rossi's secret sauce years ago from the
context of what Rossi was saying. You cannot steal something that has been
publically
Do not mistake an idea for a property. If an invention is described in a
patent filling, it cannot be stolen even if public revealed. Now, it does
not look like K is a secret sauce as per the patent, though, it does not
describe how it is used. So, in any way, if DGT took any information from
No Jed, I am not worried. :)
I just sympathise with you. I do believe your feelings as they are the only
ones worth having.
However, someone said it is a naive thing to be taken advantage of this
way. I think that has some merit. (No, I do not label you naive). I do
think that there are two ways
Axil wrote:
..A contractor tells a subcontractor what the terms of getting paid are in a
specification that is agreed upon by both parties. If the subcontractor fails
to meet that specification in the opinion of the contractor, then the
subcontractor is not paid for the subpar work.
Actually
Again, I am strictly an amateur at theoretical solid state physics; I
cannot attest to having an understanding.
Since the energy reduction for the Millsian inverse Rydberg states is
quantized, even though it cannot radiate, the extraction mechanism must be
capable of withdrawing some large quanta
The contract was under that of US, heh.
2014-04-08 13:35 GMT-03:00 Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com:
Actually you have it backwards,Axil, at least under contract law in the
United States.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel--
Ideas that have been documented on paper or other forms of communication,
including audible communications between two people that are not otherwise
documented, are often stolen by the invasion of privacy by the thief. Steeling
ideas is a common problem for inventors. Insiders or
Axil--
You assume Axil was saying what he thought was true, I worried about that
comment. A salt might not be too good for the metal's integrity. Straight K
might be better.
He may also have intentionally miss informed the public and particularly his
competitors.
Bob
- Original
There was not espionage. There were 2 gropus that broke up. Everything was
open. And, yes, that is in your mind.
And, again, there is no theft ideas. You cannot make an idea a property.
This is one of the reason for patents, that is, that people can protect
their invention, but the idea can be
Bob--
If the fusion occurs, I would think you would have a large release of energy
that would also have to be fractioned somehow since there there is not large
kinetic energy involved in the fusion. This is why I think Mills does not
profess fusion as being involved.
However, I have always
I meant Rossi instead of Axil in the first sentence of my last comment.
- Original Message -
From: Bob Cook
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mats Lewan book : An Impossible Invention
Axil--
You assume Axil was saying what
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Was your work for DGT up to its specification? Obviously, it was not in
the opinion of DGT.
Hadjichristos publicly promised to pay, both here and at CMNS.
It was for an airline ticket, never used.
- Jed
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
And, again, there is no theft ideas. You cannot make an idea a property.
Oh yes you can! Please learn about intellectual property, trade secrets and
patents. There are lawsuits for hundreds of millions of dollars over these
things, all the time.
You
Sure! When I am fired from my job, since I work with intellectual property,
I will surely take your advice!
2014-04-08 14:15 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
And, again, there is no theft ideas. You cannot make an idea a property.
Oh
This interpretation does not make sense to me yet. First, the details of
the agreement must be written down as a joint effort of both parties. To
begin with, the contractor knows exactly what work he wants to preform. How
can the subcontractor know the details of those requirements? Is that not
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
How can the subcontractor know if the needs of the contractor are met? In
detail, how did Jed know that the needs of DGT were met? Did Jed care if
the needs of DGT were met? Was Jed concerned if DGT was happy with his work?
There was no work. I bought a
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
You shouldn't have bought your own ticket at the beginning of the
relationship. That is a bad move on your part.
I was planning to pay for the whole trip. I normally never accept money
from organizations I am visiting.
They only agreed to pay because they
Bob, you are probably right, this likely is pointing at inverse Rydberg
matter.
Rob.
Op dinsdag 8 april 2014 heeft Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com het
volgende geschreven:
Keep in mind that Rydberg matter does not normally describe shrunken
hydrogen. Shrunken hydrogen has its electron
Good, More details. They say that the devil is in the details.
It could be that DGT failed to honor their offer to refund your costs as
being due to your negative proclamations about their technical and
financial stability of their company. They say that you catch more flies
with honey than with
In my opinion, an inverse Rydberg atom can not exist in isolation. Such
inversion may only happen in an excited and/or ionized crystal formation of
hydrogen. How the group motion of the elections and protons in such an
arrogation in and among each other is not clear; that is, how the details
of
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Good, More details. They say that the devil is in the details.
It could be that DGT failed to honor their offer to refund your costs as
being due to your negative proclamations about their technical and
financial stability of their company.
No, it
Hi all, and especially jed,
Is there any documents or story detailing the Oriani paper peer-review, the
blocking by Science
I just found an older paper
http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/368TGP_oriani.pdf
but it seems linked to Spawar work...
Oftentimes, even in the richest companies, when their travel budget is
exceeded, nobody travels anywhere because there is no more money allocated
for that purpose.
DGT sounds like they were going through a rough patch in their development;
this is to be expected to happen.
Yes, it is best to
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Oftentimes, even in the richest companies, when their travel budget is
exceeded, nobody travels anywhere because there is no more money allocated
for that purpose.
For two years? No way.
They have traveled extensively during these two years. Also, if that
Axil,
Sometimes you must trust the companies with which you do business. Why work
with some group that you think might cheat you?
I suspect that most of the folks on this list have been on the losing end of a
contract before. Jed acted in good faith and they failed to reciprocate. That
is
Dave and Axil-
I tend to agree with you Dave. I doubt I would do business with DGT in the
future based on Jed history with them, as well as for other reasons soon to be
made concrete.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April
The blocking was not by Science but by Nature and more specifically by
the US editor of Nature to whom the hot potato was passed by the British
editor. It is discussed in Beaudette's Excess Heat but as far as I know,
the only documentation is private.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Alain
The 2002 edition of Beaudette's Excess Heat is now available on line in
its entirety with the apparent permission of the author:
http://iccf9.global.tsinghua.edu.cn/lenr%20home%20page/acrobat/BeaudetteCexcessheat.pdf
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:33 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The
Revert the question?
Why should DGT work with someone that might cheat them? They did not ask
for help. Jed was too intrusive for their taste.
2014-04-08 18:49 GMT-03:00 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com:
Axil,
Sometimes you must trust the companies with which you do business. Why
work
I agree with Bob and I think Daniel are talking about something else.
Maybe DGT were hesitant how to respond to Jed, nobody but DGT knows. They
are still the only failing party with the information we have.
If it is as you say Daniel then they should have said no from the
beginning. Giving answers
Unlike Rossi, the lunatic, right, huh!
2014-04-08 21:05 GMT-03:00 Lennart Thornros lenn...@thornros.com:
. I think they deserve to not be trusted from a business point of view.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Why should DGT work with someone that might cheat them? They did not ask
for help.
They sure as heck did ask for help, from me and from many others. Then they
kept putting us off, alienating people, and running up large debts which
they have not
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The 2002 edition of Beaudette's Excess Heat is now available on line in
its entirety with the apparent permission of the author:
I doubt that is with his permission. It was originally uploaded by me, with
his permission, but he rescinded permission. He
This looks like a very old copy of LENR-CANR.org. They probably do not know
that Charles asked me to withdraw that book.
- Jed
OK, I'll remove the link from my Facebook page. That is the only other
place I posted it.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:40 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
This looks like a very old copy of LENR-CANR.org. They probably do not
know that Charles asked me to withdraw that book.
- Jed
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
OK, I'll remove the link from my Facebook page. That is the only other
place I posted it.
I told Charles, and I will tell the university. Maybe he will relent. I
will let you know.
Things on the Internet tend to live forever.
- Jed
You cannot prove me you are not lying. You showed a ticket. So what? Other
then that it's just words, it's your version. So, It's them against you,
from my point of view, to convince me. Of course, It's very likely you
won't tell who they alienated, to keep their safety. I wouldn't.
So,
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
What is your understanding of the energy transfer mechanism involved in
the evanescent coupling (non-radiative) phenomena?
I have heard that Mills's claim is that it is Forster resonance energy
transfer (FRET) [1].
Eric
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:56 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
One way to successively remove the energy in such a hydroton configuration
may be the progressive conversion to an ever more fractional state, and
when Mills' minimum size of 1/137 is reached, fusion occurs.
I think
Mills may not ever see fusion in his devices - even if his theory is
correct, and even if he is creating hydrinos. His means of extracting the
energy to get hydrinos probably never takes them to the lowest level
(1/137). Even though he calculates such a level is possible, he never gets
that
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
You cannot prove me you are not lying. You showed a ticket. So what?
Hadjichristos himself said that they owe me the money! He said it right
here, and at CMNS. He said it repeatedly. If you don't believe me, and you
don't believe him, who do you
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
DGT, is an enigma, as far as it is publicly known, except that their only
test surpasses in quality by far anything Rossi did on live, with COP20.
Rossi's live tests have not been very good, but DGT's tests were worse.
Even Hadjichristos eventually
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I said you were lying, specially concerning
people being alienated.
If you find the quote, I won't bother looking for it, you will see he is
not owing you any money. Your will to not understand him another other
reason for not believing you.
2014-04-08 23:59
See, you cannot prove this. Either way, you are empty handed.
2014-04-09 0:13 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
but some of them have told me a little.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
See, you cannot prove this. Either way, you are empty handed.
2014-04-09 0:13 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
but some of them have told me a little.
They told me it was a bunch of crap. It was meaningless, and the trip was a
waste
This is pure lie. As for evidence, I take judgment from Mats Lewan, which I
saw That's a COP20. Rossi could never show anything that's more than
COP4 and that's feels like making a stone.
ELFORSK? Was it peer reviewed? Was it reproduced? Pretty much as much as
Defkalion's, at least, what was
They, who? Thor? Zeus? The Holy Smokes?
Useless, no! He was being humble. It was useless since he underestimated
the COP. The actual was over 20. Unlike Rossi, who has to make a ruckus to
have anything above COP 2!
2014-04-09 0:20 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
They told me it
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
This is pure lie. As for evidence, I take judgment from Mats Lewan, which I
saw That's a COP20.
Hadjichristos said the flow rate was not measured properly. There is no
telling what it was, or whether there was excess heat. Experts who went
there for
Yes. He downlplayed the COP, it was actually higher.
The experts doesn't exist. It's your imagination.
2014-04-09 0:26 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Hadjichristos said the flow rate was not measured properly. There is no
telling what it was, or whether there was excess
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
They, who? Thor? Zeus? The Holy Smokes?
Look, if you think they have actual positive results, you should ask
Hadjichristos to send you reports showing these results. Ask him the names
of the experts who went there. I know who they are. If you want to
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes. He downlplayed the COP, it was actually higher.
It was meaningless. The calorimetry did not work.
The experts doesn't exist. It's your imagination.
So, no one actually visited? There were no photos uploaded, some with
Melich's name on them?
Because you are putting a tantrum over your poor managed $1400.
As for the others, you are dodging my actual question. Who was alienated?
Who told you it was trash in the live review? You won't say. Neither will
Yiannis, since they are on NDA. But as I told you the calorimetry
downplayed the
I think that the limitation on COP that leads to your skepticism is simply
a materials issue. For the Ni/H reactor; both Rossi and DGT, if the reactor
temperature gets beyond a certain safe limit, it will take off and melt
down.
Ridding the razor back of criticality is not conducive to high
Because you are putting a tantrum over your poor managed $1400.
Daniel, it seems to me that if you feel justified in personally interpreting
not only Mr. Rothwell's emotional psyche but his personal motivations for
all to ponder I think it would be wise to prepare yourself for the
contingency of
Falling squarely into my military industrial paranoid wheelhouse, Mats
Lewan said: Then I have this curious story about the CIA supposedly
watching Defkalion. That came from a source which I considered very
trustworthy, but of course I couldn't confirm that. Of course, if this
technology is real,
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