Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread H Veeder
​​ America is running out of jobs. It's time for a universal basic income. http://theweek.com/article/index/267720/america-is-running-out-of-jobs-its-time-for-a-universal-basic-income ​ quote​s The idea that work is a bedrock of society, that absolutely everyone who is not too old, too young,

[Vo]:some fundamental aspects of LENR

2014-09-09 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends I have just published the second LENR miniature promised for today: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/09/thinking-about-lenr-and-dikw-scale.html It is sad but eventually optimistic- like me. Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
The ideas by Marx and Engel were built on the problems in an changing world. The beginning of the industrialism. Yes, the ideas had perhaps some political overtones we have a hard time to accept and we know that particularly in Sovjet it showed its limitations. Reality is of course that old

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Nigel Dyer
I feel that a universal basic income would only work in a society where there was sufficient mutual trust and undestanding to make it work. The problem with those who propose such ideas can be that they think that everyone else is like them. I suspect that if that was the case then the

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I wonder whether a more workable/realistic alternative is to introduce artificial inefficiencies into society such that more people need to work. See Frederic Bastiat, The Candlemaker's Petition: http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basSoph3.html#S.1,

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
I am sure you are right Jed artificial inefficiency (or make-work) is ridiculous. However, we do not need that. There are many things not invented yet. (Even LENR might be funded by a few enthusiast having nothing else to do but what interested them. Even today some people write blog posts without

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Axil Axil
I had the pleasure this last spring on one of its most beautiful days to follow a winding path from one hardware store to the next looking for a specialized and hard to get part for a piece of antique gardening equipment. This quest took me deeper and deeper into the countryside until I found a

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread ChemE Stewart
About 100 years ago... On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I had the pleasure this last spring on one of its most beautiful days to follow a winding path from one hardware store to the next looking for a specialized and hard to get part for a piece of antique

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Alain Sepeda
you make good points but further than that I think that the error is to imagine that Job as salaryman is required. in emerging economies you see there is many kind of jobs, and salaryman is just one fragile but comfortable kind of work. exploiting your assets (car, room,land, pavement

Re: [Vo]:Humans Need Not Apply

2014-09-09 Thread Lennart Thornros
Stewart isn't that true something well done is pleasure. I do not think it is because they avoid cars. They just use another set of values. They do use wheels so some technology is OK. So even if I think that it is beautiful it is not OK. If we all became that local in a world that is getting

Re: [Vo]:some fundamental aspects of LENR

2014-09-09 Thread Axil Axil
“Though they be little on earth, they are exceedingly wise.” To what does this refer? Ants (Proverbs 30:24). Ants appear only twice in the Bible, both times in the Book of Proverbs being lauded for their wisdom (Proverbs 6:6-8, 30:24-25). Ants are one of the world’s oldest and most successful

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Bob Cook
I wonder if the new Cu is Cu-63? Rossi may be implying that Ni-62 goes to Cu-63, both of which are stable isotopes. Spin coupling to get rid of the 6.22Mev of excess mass may be the answer--there are no gammas apparently. Bob - Original Message - From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Axil Axil
Piantelli showed that a diproton fuses with Ni62 and produces Cu with a emission of a protons carrying 6 Mev of energy. IMHO, all fusion occurs with a diproton with zero spin. Helium-2 or 2He, also known as a *diproton*, is an extremely unstable isotope of helium that consists of two protons

[Vo]:How LENR could destroy the universe.

2014-09-09 Thread Axil Axil
http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevD.90.052004 If LENR is a mechanism that can amplify quantum tunneling, it might be conceivable that a LENR reaction will someday reduce the mass of the HIGGS boson to about 100 GeV. This value will produce a bubble in the higgs field that will

Re: [Vo]:How LENR could destroy the universe.

2014-09-09 Thread Foks0904 .
It appears to me cosmological speculations are getting more more pseudoscientific. I can't imagine I'm the only one here who believes so. Also, why would we trust the speculations/projections of Stephen Hawking necessarily? He has proven himself to be a horrible futurist/oracle in the past. He

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote: I wonder if the new Cu is Cu-63? Rossi may be implying that Ni-62 goes to Cu-63, both of which are stable isotopes. Spin coupling to get rid of the 6.22Mev of excess mass may be the answer--there are no gammas apparently.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: In a 62Ni(d,p)63Ni reaction, the 63Ni will beta- decay to 63Cu. The proton will have ~ 5 MeV and will excite 11 keV electrons, which can easily be shielded. There will be a delayed gamma emission after the beta- decay of Q=87 keV, however, which will not be fully shielded even by

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Bob Cook
Eric-- I do not think the reaction of the d,p variety occurs. There are not 87,000 Ev gammas reported, which would be evident as you suggest. I do not think Ni-63 is involved in the production of Cu-63. Ni-62 removal would be expensive for Rossi. Bob - Original Message -

Re: [Vo]:Rossi on Ni62

2014-09-09 Thread Eric Walker
Hi Bob, Regarding the existence of the reaction, please see: https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-62(D%2CP)28-NI-63%2C%2CDA https://www-nds.iaea.org/exfor/servlet/X4sSearch5?reacc=28-NI-62(D%2CP)28-NI-63%2CPAR%2CDA%2C%2CREL