[Vo]:Possible cause for coral reefs dying...

2015-07-06 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
This is primarily meant for fellow Vort, ChemEng (Stewart), but some others may have an interest. Stewart, I think I may have a cause for your hypothesis re: a link between our modern radar systems and the dying of coral reefs. Seems that proteins in living systems have evolved such that th

Fw: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Cook
Rev 1 of previous comment—the first one was sent by mistake: The various theories associated with the composition of a proton suggests there is none that has a +1 charge operating from the exact center of the proton. The quark model for a proton includes quarks with fractional charges. AFAIK

RE: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com > http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?esme > It is linear - lower mass means proportionately lower charge > I think you are drawing a line through a single point here. Each particle type has it's own mass to charge ratio. Otherwise, proton

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:55:17 -0700: Hi, [snip] >Here is the electron mass-to-charge ratio > > > >http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?esme > > > >It is linear – lower mass means proportionately lower charge I think you are drawing a line through a single po

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Roarty, Francis X's message of Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:19:39 +: Hi, [snip] > >I agree.. closed form being a canoe stuck in the waterfall of our 3D plane all >the rest is the medium of time passing thru it. Not exactly what I had in mind. :) What I meant by "closed form" was a geometri

[Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Cook
The various theories associated with the composition of a proton suggests there is non that has a point charge of 1 electron charge operating from the exact center of the proton. In fact quark model for a proton includ From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 11:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
I agree.. closed form being a canoe stuck in the waterfall of our 3D plane all the rest is the medium of time passing thru it. Fran IMO, all energy is motion in the substance of the vacuum. When that motion occurs in a closed form, the result is a particle. This was also Fred Sparber's point of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Bob, I don’t agree with [snip] Second, in the DDL state the electron is moving at relativistic speeds and has a mass increase due to this, so perhaps it could afford to shed mass energy. [/snip] IMHO relativistic hydrogen in a lattice is a function of Casimir suppression and the e

RE: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Here is the electron mass-to-charge ratio http://physics.nist.gov/cgi-bin/cuu/Value?esme It is linear – lower mass means proportionately lower charge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-to-charge_ratio

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Higgins
I am just going from memory, but I believe the difference is that positronium is the state of an electron and positron orbiting each other BEFORE the 1.2 MeV is emitted. Once the 1.2 MeV is emitted, the orbiting pair shrink (like a hydrino) and drop out of detectability. On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 4:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:31:49 -0600: Hi, [snip] >According to Hotson, the positrons and electrons are never created nor >destroyed. Because they are both fermions, they can never occupy the same >space at the same time and so can never annihilate each other. Ins

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Higgins
According to Hotson, the positrons and electrons are never created nor destroyed. Because they are both fermions, they can never occupy the same space at the same time and so can never annihilate each other. Instead, upon combination, the electron and positron become an "epo" atom with each orbit

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Higgins's message of Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:49:42 -0600: Hi, [snip] >Third, I thought I remember that Hotson said that the true energy of the >electron was more like 16 MeV when its spin energy was considered. If true, >loss of the 0.51 MeV would still be a small fraction of its tot

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:06:23 -0700: Hi, >What’s left to call an electron? IMO, all energy is motion in the substance of the vacuum. When that motion occurs in a closed form, the result is a particle. This was also Fred Sparber's point of view if a IIRC. I think h

Re: [Vo]:Can anyone help?

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Higgins
First off, it is Parkhomov who ground his Ni powder and LiAlH4 in a mortar and pestle in preparation (observed by Bob Greenyer). We have no evidence that Rossi uses such a method. When MFMP ran its first Parkhomov-like experiment the temperature was increased to over 1000C, and was cooled quickly

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Higgins
Well, one thought is that in an H atom in ground state, the electron is moving slowly (relatively) and is fairly loosely coupled to the proton as a system. Once in a DDL state, the electron is immensely coupled to the proton - this coupling will cause a big effect on the system eigenvalues. Secon

Re: [Vo]:Can anyone help?

2015-07-06 Thread Axil Axil
The micrograph on page 44 lends substance to the speculation that neither the nickel powder nor the old fuel spike was subject to grinding. The process of grinding would have disassembled and fragmented the larger nickel particles, shown fracture cracks on the aluminum oxide particles, and showed s

[Vo]:LENR is even more interesting than we thought

2015-07-06 Thread Peter Gluck
but different! Yo will sees soon For now please read: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/07/info-for-july-6-2015-and-what-is-lenr.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

RE: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Bob, If the mass deficit comes from the proton – no problem. But how can the two be considered to be a single system with shared mass-energy? The electron is known to have fractional charge as a group effect, but not as a charge-less particle. There is always a fractional charge, even in FQH

Re: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, you are the first to discuss the variable mass of the proton. The Vavra and Maly solution (which agrees with Naudts) is for the proton/electron system. There is nothing that says that all of that energy must come from the electron. Why couldn't it come from the energy of the system as a wh

RE: [Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
What’s left to call an electron? Certainly there is no charge, since charge and mass are linear. Photons can’t be captured, so what is left over? I stand by the “almost certainly incorrect,...” From: Bob Cook Jones and Eric-- Jones wrote: “The 510 keV of Maly & Vavr

[Vo]:Re: Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Cook
Jones and Eric-- Jones wrote: “The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly incorrect,...” I would say Vavra makes a good case for .511 Mev in his paper on dark matter at the following link: http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCQQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2F

RE: [Vo]:Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Jones Beene
Eric, An electron giving up its rest mass and becoming a photon is NOT part of Mills theory. Half the rest mass - 255 keV is in play for Mills, spread out in steps. Robin has a theory with a similar value. The DDL is different, depending on a number of assumptions, and it need not proc

Re: [Vo]:Fractional Hydrogen without Mills

2015-07-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Jones Beene wrote: The 510 keV of Maly & Vavra is almost certainly incorrect, but there are a > number of values in the range of several hundred keV which represent the > total energy which can be released in 136 steps. With regard to Mills's theory specifically