Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-18 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of the bad apples at ITER and their apologists   Shame on Mitsubishi... http://news.newenergytimes.net/2020/06/17/paid-article-by-mitsubishi-in-forbes-falsifies-iter-design-objectives/

[Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Jurg— FYI. Robin made noter of the following: https://www.nndc.bnl.gov/nudat2/RE: \ Bob From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:26 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argo

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Jones Beene
ITER is indeed a sad joke and a dirty stain on the physics establishment. Wouldn't it be ironic if that project was magically savaged and made commercially useful - by the simple expedient of adding on a cheap muon source ... which of course is where the Holmlid licensees are envissioning an

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
Am 17.06.20 um 20:50 schrieb Nicholas Palmer: I subsequently found out that the important or only ingredient was zirconium. I had asked Chris at the time if aluminium powder might be part of the 'sauce' and he looked angry. I note that powdered zirconium can be used in old style flash bulbs

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Michael Foster
I believe we are engaged in a nostalgic postmortem. No? CF/LENR has been systematically beaten to death by members of the scientific establishment afraid of losing their grants, especially the ITER nuts with the huge budgets.

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Yes, the Cincinnati group. Thanks. I couldn't recall their name. Your memory is better than mine, old Beene. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:16 PM Jones Beene wrote: > I have a vague memory of it but not the details. There was a lot of > disinformation about the exploits of the Cincinnati Group. >

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Jones Beene
I have a vague memory of it but not the details. There was a lot of disinformation about the exploits of the Cincinnati Group. Last I heard Keith is still at it and has a new project but that list folded. Terry Blanton wrote: Wow.  Okay, firing up the wayback machine... I vaguely

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Terry Blanton
Wow. Okay, firing up the wayback machine... I vaguely recall that Keith Nagel was doing some research along those lines. Maybe Jones remembers. I think Beene participated in Nagel's NewCandle list where they did some research along those lines. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:50 PM Nicholas Palmer

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Nicholas Palmer
Hi Terry, I think it was Chris T or Jed R who pointed me towards Vortex way back when. While we're reminiscing, I wonder if you might be able to clear up something? I met Chris at his house not that long before he died and he showed me something he was working on, which was the ' tile burn'

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
ion and try to get a good link to the data base. Bob Cook *From: *Jürg Wyttenbach <mailto:ju...@datamart.ch> *Sent: *Monday, June 15, 2020 4:21 PM *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> *Subject: *Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with a

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-17 Thread Robin
In reply to bobcook39...@hotmail.com's message of Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:51:53 +: Hi Bob, Try this http://www.nndc.bnl.gov/chart/ [snip] >I think Jurg is working on such knowing for simple systems. The Brookhaven >Laboratory in New York keeps a data base for many nuclear species of the

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
and try to get a good link to the data base. Bob Cook From: Jürg Wyttenbach<mailto:ju...@datamart.ch> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 4:21 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ? On 1

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:51 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin > wrote: > >> So if an insult was intended, none taken. :) >> > > No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee". Reminded me of > my uncle. > I joined this list over 2 decades ago at

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:46 PM Robin wrote: > So if an insult was intended, none taken. :) > No, Donk was my favorite character in "Crocodile Dundee". Reminded me of my uncle.

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 23:04:48 -0400: Hi, [snip] >Sorry, Donk. "donk" is Dutch for a low hill or rise in the ground. The Spaan means Spanish. "van" is "from". So if an insult was intended, none taken. :) >Just my sick, cynical humor that no one gets. I've

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 10:56 PM Robin wrote: > > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:32:13 -0400: > Hi Terry, > [snip] > >Quick, name 5 compounds that are *not* hydrino catalysts. Are you sure? > > ? > I can't be sure of any of them, but what does that prove? Sorry,

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Robin
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:32:13 -0400: Hi Terry, [snip] >Quick, name 5 compounds that are *not* hydrino catalysts. Are you sure? > ? I can't be sure of any of them, but what does that prove?

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 5:59 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Michael Foster's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:11:40 + > (UTC): > Hi, > > When Hydrogen and Chlorine burn, they react in a series of reactions like > this:- > > Cl + H2 -> HCl + H > H + CL2 -> HCl + Cl > > Both H & Cl are free

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Robin
In reply to Michael Foster's message of Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:11:40 + (UTC): Hi, When Hydrogen and Chlorine burn, they react in a series of reactions like this:- Cl + H2 -> HCl + H H + CL2 -> HCl + Cl Both H & Cl are free radicals. Both steps produce HCl molecules, and the first step

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Jones Beene
Interesting info, Michael Another wrinkle to add in the mix (for a working method of collecting energy from dense hydrogen in a mechanical device) is the apparent superconductivity of protons when absorbed into a metal matrix even at elevated temperatures. Since superconductors are strongly

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-16 Thread Michael Foster
A couple of observations. If you are worried about the mechanical resonance of this reaction, don't use an engine with a crankshaft. Instead, just have a spring loaded piston with an adjustable tension to match the resonance of the reaction. Energy could then be extracted by electromagnetic

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread Jones Beene
Can a genius inventor also be a shameless scam artist? Rossi comes to mind, as does Papp. Maybe even Edison ... and Tesla too. There is a thin line, as they say... Here is a decent analysis of Papp. Recently posted video - well done The Mystery of Joe Papp’s Noble Gas Engine | Ryan S. Wood |

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
On 15.06.2020 16:03, Chris Zell wrote: I suspect that the Papp engine involves a secret hiding in plain sight. Papp in fact used a mixture of noble gases like Ag + Kr,Xe- Both are very efficient in support of LENR reactions. You just need to add little Deuterium, a rusty Fe2O3 side for the

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread JonesBeene
The working gas would be argon, which is also a reactant. Argon will from a short lived molecule with hydrogen. Helium will not. Too bad since He has better heat transfer properties. For a closed-cycle piston engine of this sort to work, the piston crown and the facing cylinder head would

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
, a discharge to ground becomes more frequent. Bob Cook _ From: Chris Zell<mailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 7:03 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ? I suspec

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread bobcook39...@hotmail.com
indows 10 From: Jones Beene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 3:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ? In a closed-cycle piston engine, particularly a Stirling-type, the sug

RE: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-15 Thread Chris Zell
]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ? An interesting proposition for an advanced transportation fuel would be presented to us - IF (big if) hydrogen can be routinely converted into a denser form on a catalyst, and then expanded in a piston engine configuration. This concept would relat

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
In a closed-cycle piston engine, particularly a Stirling-type, the suggestion is that there could be an inherent thermodynamic advantage in having sequential reactions which are exothermic on formation and then endothermic milliseconds later, on the expansion stroke. A resonance could then

Re: [Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-13 Thread Jürg Wyttenbach
ArH_3 ^+ is long time stable and Ar H_3 ^+ is the driving factor in Mills original SUNCELL reaction. In fact H_3 ^+ is the most abundant form of Hydrogen in deep space. About H* we do not yet know. In Mills theory this emission would be related minimally to multiples of 27.2 eV so even if the

[Vo]:"Burning"hydrogen with argon ?

2020-06-13 Thread Jones Beene
An interesting proposition for an advanced transportation fuel would be presented to us - IF (big if) hydrogen can be routinely converted into a denser form on a catalyst, and then expanded in a piston engine configuration. This concept would relate to using argon as a "pseudo oxidizer." Argon