Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Robert Lynn
11:54:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun From: maryyu...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Steven Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From MY If Rossi is producing nuclear fusion reactors in the US, how

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Without appropriate certification you cannot get equipment insured. Rossi claims he has CE certification. T

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi claims he has CE certification. From JNoP: Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM Dear Dario: The CE for the business to business has been done. For household applications not yet. Warm Regards, A.R . Of

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Robert Lynn
Exactly. Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no records of his having CE compliance. On top of which it is obvious to any engineer that looks that his design and construction would not comply with even the European Pressure Equipment Directive, (Oct 6th test was a

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly.  Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no records of his having CE compliance. Yeah, that was me. But, you need to know under which company it is registered. I tried all the

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. Besides which others have claimed to have checked and found no records of his having CE compliance. Yeah, that was me.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: Without appropriate certification you cannot get equipment insured. Installing uncertified equipment anywhere exposes the company manufacturing, marketing, installing or owning the equipment up to all sorts of potentially devastating legal

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-11 Thread Alain Sepeda
The problem of insurance et certification is a key fact. for me it is a way for the incumbent business to block the spread of that technology to the public, and privatize the benefits to the usual big players. as you see many comments, this is in process. the LENR is not event proved, and

[Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Aussie Guy E-Cat
1. Fyodor December 9th, 2011 at 11:08 AM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516cpage=15#comment-142909 Mr. Rossi Has production begun yet in your US facilities? Or are they still starting up? Thank you for taking time to answer my question 2. Andrea Rossi

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
On a cautionary note: Rossi's terse response strikes me as a matter of personal interpretation. With Rossi, personal interpretation can mean a lot of different scenarios. I find myself asking, how is Rossi choosing to exploit the word begun in this particular case. Maybe it actually does means

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread James Bowery
Your interpretation of begun should be constrained by the context of the original question in which begun is contrasted with starting up. However, your interpretation of begun was not so constrained. I suggest you restate your argument with that in mind. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:03 AM,

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.comwrote: Mr. Rossi Has production begun yet in your US facilities? Or are they still starting up? Does Rossi have production facilities in the US? If so where? And how do we know? Has anyone ever been invited

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Daniel Rocha
If his customer is the military, perhaps he doesn't need authorization... 2011/12/10 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 4:43 AM, Aussie Guy E-Cat aussieguy.e...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Rossi Has production begun yet in your US facilities? Or are they still

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: If his customer is the military, perhaps he doesn't need authorization... The military may not need authorization to use a device but he needs authorizations galore for a manufacturing plant/factory. For example,

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Steven Johnson
James Bowery wrote: Your interpretation of begun should be constrained by the context of the original question in which begun is contrasted with starting up. However, your interpretation of begun was not so constrained. I suggest you restate your argument with that in mind. I

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why should it be in a populated area? 2011/12/10 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: If his customer is the military, perhaps he doesn't need authorization... The military may not need authorization to use a device but

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Steven Johnson
From MY If Rossi is producing nuclear fusion reactors in the US, how was this authorized without an opportunity for public comment? Strikes me as an odd comment from MY, the staunch skeptic. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. Svj - orionworks.com

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Why should it be in a populated area? Far as I know, all of Massachusetts is a populated area. And you can't make nuclear devices in the US without all sorts of permits.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:42 AM, Steven Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.comwrote: From MY If Rossi is producing nuclear fusion reactors in the US, how was this authorized without an opportunity for public comment? Strikes me as an odd comment from MY, the staunch skeptic. Damned if you do.

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Daniel Rocha
Why do you assume that is in Massachusetts? 2011/12/10 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Why should it be in a populated area? Far as I know, all of Massachusetts is a populated area. And you can't make nuclear

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Robert Leguillon
of controlled substances, how could it be illegal (currently)? I contend that the action cannot be prohibited without being acknowledged. I'd love to get comments from anyone with a legal background. Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 11:54:43 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun From: maryyu

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Why do you assume that is in Massachusetts? Because Rossi said that was where he was planning to produce E-cats in the US. I don't think it matters. I don't think he can make nuclear fusion reactors in the US without

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: If there is no measurable radiation, no possession or disposal of controlled substances, how could it be illegal (currently)? You forget: Rossi claims gamma radiation during operation which, he says, is

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Steven Johnson
From Robert Leguillon wrote: I contend that the action cannot be prohibited without being acknowledged. Spot on. Thats what is so amusing about it. Svj -orionworks.com

RE: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
... or, they'll just make up some double-talk and do what they want anyway. -mark -Original Message- From: Steven Johnson [mailto:svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 12:55 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun From Robert Leguillon

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sat, 2011-12-10 at 11:53 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Why should it be in a populated area? Far as I know, all of Massachusetts is a populated area. And you can't make nuclear devices in the US without

Re: [Vo]:E-Cat production in the US has begun

2011-12-10 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think it would be considered a nuclear device. Calling it a nuclear device would be the utmost irony! Sorry, you cannot being that nuclear device into the US. Uh, no, there is no such thing as a cold fusion