Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19:12 PM
m = Q / ( c * dT) = 79.2 * 10^3 / ( 4.186 * 25 ) = 79200 / 104.65 =
756.8 kg
?
At this point I am assuming that I made some calculation error, but
have not had an opportunity to track it down.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 8:05:26 AM
I am having a difficult time reconciling your calculation with what
DGT shows in the video. I recall them stating that .5 liters per
minute was the incoming cold water flow rate. Do you remember seeing
a
OK Alan, you clarified my understanding.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Aug 6, 2013 1:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday
-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:58:16 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
This is interesting information. If the cold water input flow rate drops due
to back
: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 1:58:16 PM
This is interesting information. If the cold water input flow rate
drops due to back pressure from the vaporized steam
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:42:35 PM
Alan, I made a calculation of the output flow rate that came out much
higher than the value you have shown here. Is it possible for you to
recheck your calculation? I will do the same.
Q = Total power = 22 kWh
In reply to Alan Fletcher's message of Mon, 5 Aug 2013 13:32:46 -0700 (PDT):
Hi,
[snip]
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 11:42:35 PM
Alan, I made a calculation of the output flow rate that came out much
higher than the value you have shown here. Is it
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 3:19:12 PM
m = Q / ( c * dT) = 79.2 * 10^3 / ( 4.186 * 25 ) = 79200 / 104.65 =
756.8 kg/h = 12.6 kg/MINUTE === not seconds
which is close to what I used.
756.8 kg/hr = 0.21 kg/sec (you forgot to divide by 60 to convert minutes to
Well, looks like I got to hear from him after all:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/defkalion-europe-freezes-relationship-with-defkalion-green-technologies-over-measurement-issues/
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
In my opinion, Luca Gamberale
Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
Well, looks like I got to hear from him after all:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/defkalion-europe-freezes-relationship-with-defkalion-green-technologies-over-measurement-issues/
On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 8:39 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
You mean, misinformation:
http://22passi.blogspot.com.br/2013/08/defkalion-europa-uno-tsunami-in-arrivo.html?showComment=1375621943652#c5835292422433328267
2013/8/4 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
This is interesting information.
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
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Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
Well, looks like I got to hear from him after all:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/defkalion-europe-freezes-relationship-with-defkalion-green-technologies-over
...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Aug 4, 2013 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Info for Luca Gamberale (CTO Defkalion Europe)
Well, looks like I got to hear from him after all:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/08/defkalion-europe-freezes-relationship-with-defkalion-green-technologies
In reply to David Roberson's message of Sun, 4 Aug 2013 16:58:16 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,
[snip]
This is interesting information. If the cold water input flow rate drops due
to back pressure from the vaporized steam, then there is a serious problem.
I fail to see why. Surely a reduced flow rate would
From: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 1:58:16 PM
This is interesting information. If the cold water input flow rate
drops due to back pressure from the vaporized steam, then there is a
serious problem. Most of my considerations have been based upon the
Remember, Defkalion wanted to make a inaccurate measurement or purpose that
would drastically reduce the energy output.
2013/8/4 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com
In any event -- lock the physicists out of the building, and hire/recruit
a competent electrical and thermal engineer!
--
Daniel
thanks, I've completed with details I have found before
http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2229-Info-on-Luca-gamberale-(Defkalion-Europe-ex-Mose-SRL)p=5601#post5601
an interview in italian of Luca
Nice, you have some very good stuff on lenr-forum.
Some other observations:
- The web there in milan looks pretty deep with connections between
defkalion / mose / celani / pirreli
- It looks like Luca was working for Mose SRL during the intervening
years. Wonder why he hides that.
Thanks for the updates
Interesting, but we should be careful about credentials in industry. I
don't know if the Wright brothers have great credential, neither Lumière
brothers, Edison, ...
Luca gamberale have a great CV, but could be interpreted as very fringe...
I know there was link between
Interesting, but we should be careful about credentials in industry. I
don't know if the Wright brothers have great credential, neither Lumière
brothers, Edison, ...
Luca has been working labs all his life. I'm sure he understands
measurement error. He also has a track record of publishing
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
In my opinion, Luca Gamberale is the most credible member of the DGT
team (so far). The more I hear from him the better:
Anyone with english transcripts to the live stream from their DGT lab
in Milan the day before the English one?
It was
As long as he is there working on the team I don't see why you care whether
he was part of this demo.
Come on... of everyone, Luca is the one who understands this the best.
I want to read something (that I can at least auto translate) where he
says DGT is above board, I know exactly what's
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
Come on... of everyone, Luca is the one who understands this the best.
I want to read something (that I can at least auto translate) where he
says DGT is above board . . .
The fact that he is there, and he stays there, seems like pretty good
The fact that he is there, and he stays there, seems like pretty good
evidence to me. I trust that as much as I would trust a statement from him
saying this is legitimate research. If he did not think it was legit,
surely he would not stay, would he?
If the money is OK and he needs it, he
blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
If he did not think it was legit,
surely he would not stay, would he?
If the money is OK and he needs it, he might. He's not liable for
fraud until he starts lying to people.
I think it is unlikely that someone with his professional resume
I wrote:
I think it is unlikely that someone with his professional resume would
stay there if he thought there was fraud or funny business. I do no think
he would do that for an OK level of money. Because if there is fraud, his
reputation will be ruined and he will never again be allowed to
Needless to say, this is mere speculation on my part. It is not proof of
anything. People sometimes do inexplicable things.
I more or less agree with your assessment, however, I think it's even
much more unlikely that he'd go on publicly available video and start
committing fraud.
My point
From: blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 7:55:38 PM
My point is, they finally have someone who has a track record. I
want to hear everything from him.
I'm sure that if you put up the $40M/whatever for a license -- you'd get all
the face-time you wanted.
They won't do an independent *public* test. It is much less likely that
they'd do for a big research facility if not for a commercial interest.
That is silly right now and they don't remotely need it.
2013/7/29 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
I am still not 100% convinced by Defkalion.
DGT might want to impress patent evaluators, peers, and customers.
They may want to stay under the radar as long as possible. I don't blame
them for this.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:
They won't do an independent *public* test. It is much less
They don't need any of that. The public appearance is just a call for
scientific collaboration.
2013/7/30 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
DGT might want to impress patent evaluators, peers, and customers.
They may want to stay under the radar as long as possible. I don't blame
them for this.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:
They won't do an independent *public* test. It is much less likely that
they'd do for a big research facility if not for a commercial interest. That
is silly right now and they don't remotely need it.
Really? They
No, it is just an invitation to see they are not cheating.
2013/7/30 blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
wrote:
They won't do an independent *public* test. It is much less likely that
they'd do for a big research
I don't want to hear about MY since she/he is a disruptive force in LENR
politics.
Is blaze spinnaker a reincarnation of MY? I am beginning to wonder.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:35 PM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Daniel Rocha
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't want to hear about MY since she/he is a disruptive force in LENR
politics.
I'm hardly the only one that brings up that name here. I think Terry
has, and Jed just did.
I agree, Yugo is annoying though. If you'd
I would like to hear more theory discussed. LENR needs good scientifically
credible theory presented to lend it credibility. How are you in that
area? When MY was here, mailboxes became full with tons of nonsense and
important subjects were bypassed as a result.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:48
Lousy :)
Well, the subject is very important and certainly not nonsense, but if
Vortex is meant to be technical discussion only, I can certainly take
this elsewhere.
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to hear more theory discussed. LENR needs good
Well, the subject is very important and certainly not nonsense,
Which subject: Luca Gamberale or Mary Yugo?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:07 AM, blaze spinnaker
blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote:
Lousy :)
Well, the subject is very important and certainly not nonsense, but if
Vortex is meant to be
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I would like to hear more theory discussed. LENR needs good scientifically
credible theory presented to lend it credibility. How are you in that
area? When MY was here, mailboxes became full with tons of nonsense and
In my opinion, Luca Gamberale is the most credible member of the DGT
team (so far). The more I hear from him the better:
Anyone with english transcripts to the live stream from their DGT lab
in Milan the day before the English one?
It was pretty disappointing that he didn't show up for the
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