FWIW, right now one can charge up at a lot of the small shopping centers
and stores around Ottawa, if one asks. Typically the outlet is off
someplace, like in the back, not in the main block of spaces.
The science museum here has outlets at all the spaces, IIRC.
These are just ordinary 110v
This will work for one person; but, typically, there are multiple
outlets per circuit breaker. Two cars trying to pull 10 A each will
trip the breaker.
Terry
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote:
FWIW, right now one can charge up at a lot of the small
Terry Blanton wrote:
This will work for one person; but, typically, there are multiple
outlets per circuit breaker. Two cars trying to pull 10 A each will
trip the breaker.
Right you are. But at the current density of E-cars in this area that
almost never happens.
It happens when these
Harry Veeder wrote:
I mean quick charging stations.
The other day, NHK reported that several Japanese auto manufacturers
have recently agreed on a standard charging station plug for the
electric cars now going on sale in Japan.
All of these cars can be recharged at home, with an ordinary
2009/8/13 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
Harry Veeder wrote:
I mean quick charging stations.
Those will exist too, they are called other electric cars :) But
admittedly, they won't exist all at once, so my peer to peer scheme
may have difficulties to start.
Regarding your other post,
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:48:01 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
Indeed, whether extra-cost or free like Terry said, this looks as if
it could do the trick. They could offer fast charging for a fee, and
slower charging for free (slower charging meaning more shopping :)
[snip]
There might be a way for purely electric vehicles to deal with long
trips, without the need for a network of charging stations, nor even a
network of gas stations: an Internet based peer to peer (EV to EV) kWh
trading scheme, where home- or office- charged cars with energy to
spare would
Michel Jullian wrote:
There might be a way for purely electric vehicles to deal with long
trips, without the need for a network of charging stations, nor even a
network of gas stations: an Internet based peer to peer (EV to EV) kWh
trading scheme, where home- or office- charged cars with energy
From Michel
There might be a way for purely electric vehicles to deal with long
trips, without the need for a network of charging stations, nor even a
network of gas stations: an Internet based peer to peer (EV to EV) kWh
trading scheme, where home- or office- charged cars with energy to
Steven V Johnson wrote:
OTOH, I could see the possibility of a group of enterprising people
customizing their cars vans with large battery banks to be used as
energy storage. They could then cruise the freeways in wait of
customers in need of a quick point, click, sale - charge.
Jed sez:
...
If we start to run out of oil and the cost of oil skyrockets, the cost of
electricity will go up, but not as much. You will still be talking about
~$20 per day income, adjusted for inflation. Little or no electricity is
generated with oil, although it does take oil to mine coal
]:Nissan electric car
Michel Jullian wrote:
There might be a way for purely electric vehicles to deal with long
trips, without the need for a network of charging stations, nor
even a
network of gas stations: an Internet based peer to peer (EV to EV)
kWhtrading scheme, where home- or office
You missed the word automatically in my proposal, the owners of the
selling cars wouldn't have to do a thing, the car's computer would do
all the advertising and selling work.
Michel
2009/8/12 OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
Jed sez:
...
If we start to run out of
There is a semantics problem here - or maybe it is an assumption problem -
with the idea that Electricity is cheaper than gasoline per vehicle mile.
First we know that the price of both is artificial. The cost to find, pump,
refine and blend gasoline (historically) is still only pennies per
EEStor has recently filed patents for grid leveling applications. If
the EESU works, it will make wind and solar viable replacement
alternatives to fossil fuels.
Terry
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
A charging station itself would need a bank of
automatic buying too?
harry
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:36 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nissan electric car
You missed the word automatically in my proposal, the owners of the
selling cars wouldn't have to do a thing
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:34:07 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
I think network of charging stations should be built by the state.
[snip]
There is already a nationwide network of charging stations, with grid
connections. I think their called houses. ;)
Regards,
Robin van
I mean quick charging stations.
Harry
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:55 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Nissan electric car
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:34:07 -
0400:Hi,
[snip]
I think network of charging stations
A very good point Robin, only a small percentage of the refills will
be done at a recharging station. Which makes their business prospects
rather low BTW, so we should see significantly less of them on the
roads... which makes me wonder if the concept can work at all?
Michel
2009/8/6,
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
The reason gas cars need to be able to be refilled in a few minutes is
because
you have to go to a gas station and stand around while it's happening. When
you
recharge the car at home that is no longer a problem.
Ah, but when you are going a long distance, on a
First, I think Congress should convert all of Hawaii over to electric
vehicles. Maybe Puerto Rico, too. Who needs a 300 mile range?
Unfortunately, this looks like a commuter car for rich folks like Ed
Begley. Other than that, they gotta get the price down for California,
especially in this
From Mr. Zell:
First, I think Congress should convert all of Hawaii over to electric
vehicles. Maybe Puerto Rico, too. Who needs a 300 mile range?
Unfortunately, this looks like a commuter car for rich folks like Ed
Begley. Other than that, they gotta get the price down for California,
Chris Zell wrote:
First, I think Congress should convert all of Hawaii over to electric
vehicles. Maybe Puerto Rico, too. Who needs a 300 mile range?
Mandating the kind of cars people can drive is wrong, IMO; that's what
got us the CAFE law and that's what led directly to the SUV craze.
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:01:13 +0200:
Hi,
[snip]
A very good point Robin, only a small percentage of the refills will
be done at a recharging station. Which makes their business prospects
rather low BTW, so we should see significantly less of them on the
roads...
Frankly, I would rather have a hybrid that could go 50 miles without
using the engine, but with the ability to go much further without
requiring the expense of two cars or having to look desperately for a
charging station as the meter goes into the red zone late at night.
The idea of a
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:08:13 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
Frankly, I would rather have a hybrid that could go 50 miles without
using the engine, but with the ability to go much further without
requiring the expense of two cars or having to look desperately for a
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:34:40 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
I wrote:
It takes quite a while to recharge with 110 V. 14 hours. With a 440
V outlet you get an 80% charge in just 26 minutes. Still not as
fast as refilling a gasoline tank, as Mike Carrell pointed out.
That
See:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2009/07/nissan-ev/
An interesting look at an upcoming electric car. I like the way they
have addressed te range issue (the fact that the car goes only 100
miles per charge). They use GPS, Internet and cell phone technology
to keep the drive informed so that
I wasn't even using voice input but I that wrong. I meant the car
keeps the DRIVER informed by various high-tech means, such as sending
a cell phone text message saying: I'm recharged!
It takes quite a while to recharge with 110 V. 14 hours. With a 440 V
outlet you get an 80% charge in just
I wrote:
It takes quite a while to recharge with 110 V. 14 hours. With a 440
V outlet you get an 80% charge in just 26 minutes. Still not as
fast as refilling a gasoline tank, as Mike Carrell pointed out.
That problem is addressed with the battery swap-out plan advocated
by the company
Jed Rothwell wrote:
There was a tremendous effusion of computer CPU and ALU architecture in
the 1970s and 1980s, as minicomputers and microcomputers competed. Now
there is only Intel.
Really? That's odd -- at work we use an awful lot of X86-64 systems.
Last I heard that wasn't an Intel
Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
There was a tremendous effusion of computer CPU and ALU architecture in
the 1970s and 1980s, as minicomputers and microcomputers competed. Now
there is only Intel.
Really? That's odd -- at work we use an awful lot of X86-64 systems.
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
. . . it's business as usual with
most systems running with a stack of bandaids 9 miles high piled on top
of the horrible old Intel 8080 architecture. (Can you run an X86-64 in
8 bit mode? I wonder...)
. . . we're stuck with the same
old same old massively
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