RE: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Zell
It's more than just pills, they did this with fake knee operations years ago. If you accept Cold Fusion as real, I would be skeptical of these continual efforts to perfect reductionist materialism as a viewpoint. More than that, if you follow the headlines, there is reason to question the whole

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-22 Thread Jed Rothwell
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: If you accept Cold Fusion as real, I would be skeptical of these continual efforts to perfect reductionist materialism as a viewpoint. I do not understand this comment. Cold fusion is based entirely on reductionist materialism. That is the only reason

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-22 Thread Joe Hughes
So I wonder if an argument could be made that a mother that kisses their crying child's boo-boo and makes it stop hurting and the child stop crying could be classified as a very primitive form of placebo. I wonder what could be deduced or extrapolated from human nature into understanding the

RE: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-22 Thread Chris Zell
From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 1:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.commailto:chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote: I do not understand

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that power of positive thinking is over rated, but there is plenty of evidence that chronic stress, fear and anxiety affect peoples well being. e.g. stress interferes with the immune response. I agree that does seem likely. As a practical

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-20 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 10:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: That is, an effect in which a prognosis improves because the patients think they are being treated when they are actually taking by fake medicine (something with no

[Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even though a placebo effect may be present and in fact much larger . . . This is drifting off topic, so let me rename the header. I do not think the placebo effect exists. I read several

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-19 Thread James Bowery
Well placebo effect is one thing when we're talking about physical maladies and quite another when we're talking about subjective impressions, as was the topic. On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The null

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-19 Thread Harry Veeder
On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: The null hypothesis upon which to base the control experiment: Even though a placebo effect may be present and in fact much larger . . . This is drifting off topic, so let me

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Well placebo effect is one thing when we're talking about physical maladies and quite another when we're talking about subjective impressions, as was the topic. True. That's why I started another thread. I meant placebo in the medical sense. But in other

Re: [Vo]:Placebo effect probably does not exist

2013-04-19 Thread Jed Rothwell
Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: That is, an effect in which a prognosis improves because the patients think they are being treated when they are actually taking by fake medicine (something with no efficacy). One hypothesis is that people respond well because they think the doctor