[Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jones Beene
In 2002, the GWE (Genesis World Energy) group was in the News, claiming to have 400 scientists and engineers employed, and having developed a fabulous new kind of free energy device... which was demonstrated as a nice looking prototype, and a fully working unit for home power. Deliveries were

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Man on Bridges
Hi, On 10-5-2011 22:33, Jones Beene wrote: So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump and dump scam in many ways, but there may be no proof of that until it is too late, since this is all taking place in Europe. But with OPEC oil now four times higher than when the

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump and dump scam in many ways, but there may be no proof of that until it is too late . . . It can be argued in what sense? Are you or are you not accusing people of criminal activities? Do you have any

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Axil Axil
I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones Beene from any possible legal harm? On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene wrote: So Defkalion, it can be argued - could have improved on the basic pump and dump scam in

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Axil Axil
Defences to claims of defamation include: - *Statements made in a good faith and reasonable belief that they were true * are generally treated the same as true statements; however, the court may inquire into the reasonableness of the belief. The degree of care expected will vary with

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Jones: ... Let me make it clear that there is no proof that they are planning a better GWE scam, and there is no proof that they are legitimate either.  The intent of this post goes to the old Chinese(?) proverb fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me This is just my

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 05/10/2011 06:24 PM, Axil Axil wrote: If it comes down to it, I think Fair comment on a matter of public interest is Jones best defence. I'm not a lawyer, but in general it's very difficult to actually condemn someone on defamation charges. Accusing someone of defamation, and

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Axil Axil wrote: I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones Beene from any possible legal harm? Not if it is libel. That is not protected speech. So far I doubt anyone would say it is libel, but I think it would be wise for Beene to state clearly that he is not

RE: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jones Beene
As much as I detest Trump's general attitude (and hair style), he is allowed to speak his mind, and occasionally there is something to it. Did you call the authorities on the Donald because he doesn't like unions and you do? You may not agree with him, but he has a right not to like minorities,

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mauro Lacy wrote: I'm not a lawyer, but in general it's very difficult to actually condemn someone on defamation charges. Accusing someone of defamation, and prosecuting him on those grounds, is a different matter. I am not worried that anyone is going to prosecute Beene. Hundreds of people

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Terry Blanton
When it comes down to a legal battle, it's not who is right or who is wrong, it' who has the most money. If some rich SoB wants to come after you for slander or libel, you have to defend yourself. If he has a murder of lawyers at his disposal, he can break you, lose, and drag out the appeals

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Mauro Lacy
On 05/10/2011 06:50 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Axil Axil wrote: I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones Beene from any possible legal harm? Not if it is libel. That is not protected speech. So far I doubt anyone would say it is libel, but I think it

RE: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell The issue here is not legal, but ethical. YES, YES, YES - and I think that given the history of scams in the alternative energy field, it is Rothwell's conduct which is unethical and without justification ! There is no doubt, that if the

Re: [Vo]:The GWE scam could be the model for Defkalion

2011-05-10 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-05-10 05:13 PM, Jones Beene wrote: *From:*Axil Axil I am no expert on this, but doesn’t the first amendment protect Jones Beene from any possible legal harm? Of course it does. Jones, am I correct in my impression that you are, in fact, a lawyer? Just wondering Of course,