Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
The question is, how did they measure the energy input? This is not documented. This colonel engineer confuses kg and g. He measures a hydrogen consumtion of 1.7000 kg and dont write down all significant digits. Then he subtracts this from a value that means gramm. but is mistakenly labeled as

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Rich Murray
crisply summarizes a lot of the critical evaluation by Cude, Heffner, and Murray... elementary over estimation of excess heat by Rossi in all his demos... thanks to Mary Yugo and the original source 123star -- https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=nm#inbox/133dbc70ac37ba45 123star November 23,

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Robert Lynn
I do not doubt that Rossi's device works, but I have a lot of doubts over his power output because his demos are so useless. He is claiming 100kW/kg output levels, while Miley appears to be closer to 10kW/kg levels (IIRC 30g 200W). But given the 8:1 steam to water ratio enthalpy ratio it is

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: I do not doubt that Rossi's device works, but I have a lot of doubts over his power output because his demos are so useless. He is claiming 100kW/kg output levels, while Miley appears to be closer to 10kW/kg levels (IIRC 30g 200W). But given

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: The question is, how did they measure the energy input? This is not documented. Were you being sarcastic? I'll assume you weren't. To answer your first question, it is not documented but it seems quite obvious. The

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: The power was entirely supplied by a diesel generator. The diesel generator had a fuel level meter or an electricity meter built-in . . . They used the built in meters in the generator (genset). He uses decimal point and decimal , alternating in

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: I'd be happier when you guys come up with real arguments and not silly I don't like his handwriting! arguments. Sure. The argument against the October 28 test is that the customer is anonymous and who Fioravanti

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.11.2011 19:49, schrieb Jed Rothwell: I have heard they wrote the document in Italian and then translated it. People often make mistakes like this. In the document by Brattain you can see he made a correction on the second page and then crossed it out, where it says 5.4 x 10^-7 Watts:

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: There are several other words crossed out. By the logic of the skeptics here, this proves that transistors do not exist. No. I know the difference between a notepad and an undersigned document. That was not a notepad. It was the experiment log. It

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread David Roberson
Berke, they do not have anything else to come up with in their effort to discredit Rossi and his system. It is sad to see them resort to this level of criticism. Dave -Original Message- From: Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: This colonel engineer confuses kg and g. False. The correct sentence would be : This coloned engineer CONFUSED kg and g. That is, he made a mistake in the report. You can't claim with a straight face that he doesn't know a gram from a

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I am sure they will continue to assert that Fioravanti does not know the difference between grams and kilograms for as long as this dispute lasts, until Rossi is either accepted by the mass media, or forgotten.

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: That's part of the same fuck-up. Then he subtracts this from a value that means gramm. but is mistakenly labeled as kg. That's part of the same fuck-up. In the 15 or some odd years, I have never seen anyone use this

RE: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton And, on behalf of Vortex-l, I apologize to Mary Yugo and any other ladies who might be participating or lurking. Well, cough-cough ... before yugo overboard g don't forget that screen names are essentially genderless. For years on the hydrino

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: For years on the hydrino group - a well-known scientist and University Professor - Dr. John Connet used the screen name Nora Barron, for whatever reason. Yes, I was following the group at that time. And I do remember

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Berke Durak
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: In the 15 or some odd years, I have never seen anyone use this word on this forum.  If English is not your first language, you might understand that this in inappropriate for this forum.  I invite you to seek a more

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Mary Yugo
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: PS. How about a ban on ad hominem attacks and unsusbtantiated accusations or insinuations of scam or incompetence? The possibility of Rossi's E-cat being a scam has been widely discussed all over the internet and is a

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Charles Hope
On Nov 26, 2011, at 19:52, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: . Actually, some women will find your statement offensive - are ladies precious flowers unable to speak up for themselves and that should be protected from vulgar language? Absolutely. And American ladies never, ever use

Re: [Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. And American ladies never, ever use foul language. We maintain them as creatures of proper breeding and pleasant temperament. You really must try one some time. They're the envy of all the world.

[Vo]:Why Rossi's E-cat is claimed to have a COP of around 6

2011-11-25 Thread Mary Yugo
I didn't originate this. I reprint it with minor changes from ecatnews.com. quote starts here *--- A curious note about the “famous” guaranteed COP of 6. Energy required to heat 1 kg of water from 20 to 100 °C (80 degrees difference)= 4.181 kJ * 80 = 335 kJ Latent heat of vaporisation of